Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63619 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#42361 Jan 1, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
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Meanwhile in that same part of the world in the southern hemisphere, parts of Australia have started the new year in sweltering conditions, with temperatures near 50 degrees Celsius in regional South Australia and a heatwave predicted for Queensland. That's 122 deg F which would just be shy of the previous record in 1960. So much for the ice effect in Antarctica.
As I said previously, you deniers would watch Rome burn before deciding on whether to get a bail of water or not.
...of course it is warm in Australia. It is supposed to be warm in Australia this time of year.

Is the point of comments about warm weather an effort to suggest that CAGW is the reason Australia is hot in December and January?
If so... May I suggest that the 25 degrees COLDER than average temperatures in North America (the Midwest) is due to CAGW.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#42362 Jan 1, 2014
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
...of course it is warm in Australia. It is supposed to be warm in Australia this time of year.
Is the point of comments about warm weather an effort to suggest that CAGW is the reason Australia is hot in December and January?
If so... May I suggest that the 25 degrees COLDER than average temperatures in North America (the Midwest) is due to CAGW.
The point was like everything else on here, temps will keep increasing every year as per the predictions. Along with that will come huge snow dumps in northern hemisphere in winter or 10 ft of water but nothing that approaches normal or average. Each year weather records will be broken. However the average mean temps across the planet will keep increasing. Which surprise surprise will bring that extreme weather that you deniers refuse to accept is related.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#42363 Jan 1, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Curious.... he doesn't make distinction made between decadal vs. century predictions, but you've found it!
Abstract:
Equilibrium climate sensitivity refers to the ultimate change in global mean temperature in response to a change in external forcing.
Equilibrium climate sensitivity is the temperature change after all feedbacks have run their course- a period of many centuries.

Deniers like you have tried to use the recent period of lower rate of warming in the surface temperatures to suggest that the long term rise (which is what we have to worry about) will be low.

This research says that interpretation is false. The difference between the models with a lower equilibrium sensitivity and those with a higher sensitivity is how the deal with (simply put) clouds, and the models with lower sensitivity don't model the physical processes correctly according to the observations.

Therefore, any apparent reduction in warming is likely just down to short term variation, caused by short term effects like ocean cycles, volcanic activity and the like.
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
So climate models that made less dire predictions are actually more inaccurate than the ones that make more extreme predictions even though none of them are actually right?
Yikes!
This is science?
Yes, it is.
Cut n Paste

Minneapolis, MN

#42364 Jan 1, 2014
Before Man started keeping track of the weather not a single extreme weather event was recorded in North America. Today extreme weather is common in North America.

Since Man Made Global Warming started every year has been filled with record breaking weather.
Climate scientist

Fullerton, CA

#42365 Jan 2, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
The point was like everything else on here, temps will keep increasing every year as per the predictions. Along with that will come huge snow dumps in northern hemisphere in winter or 10 ft of water but nothing that approaches normal or average. Each year weather records will be broken. However the average mean temps across the planet will keep increasing. Which surprise surprise will bring that extreme weather that you deniers refuse to accept is related.
None of that is true.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#42367 Jan 2, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Meanwhile in that same part of the world in the southern hemisphere, parts of Australia have started the new year in sweltering conditions, with temperatures near 50 degrees Celsius in regional South Australia and a heatwave predicted for Queensland. That's 122 deg F which would just be shy of the previous record in 1960. So much for the ice effect in Antarctica.
As I said previously, you deniers would watch Rome burn before deciding on whether to get a bail of water or not.
It's their SUMMER there! Duh.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#42368 Jan 2, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
As each winter becomes more severe and each summer becomes hotter. You deniers will still be on here posting, "i can't get out of my driveway, I'm snowed in or flooded whatever happened to global warming"
That is the level of smarts in what threat climate change exists for them.
Maybe the deniers ignore the man-made effects on the Sun's decline in solar flare activity"? Perhaps it is also the man-made activity that has caused all the volcanic activity as well?
If you say you believe science, then lookm at the REAL science. Man's activites with respect to the earth are akin to the affects of ants at a picnic.
The law of physics don't change based upon your fear mongering.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#42369 Jan 2, 2014
Cut n Paste wrote:
Before Man started keeping track of the weather not a single extreme weather event was recorded in North America. Today extreme weather is common in North America.
Since Man Made Global Warming started every year has been filled with record breaking weather.
Exactly! Why aren't these "the sky is falling" folks yelling at China?
Why aren't they rewriting the history of weather during America's industrial revolution when polutants were at there peak?
Why is it that satellites don't see climate disparities in industrial areas from space?

Because we are ants in the scheme of things.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#42370 Jan 2, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Equilibrium climate sensitivity is the temperature change after all feedbacks have run their course- a period of many centuries.
Deniers like you have tried to use the recent period of lower rate of warming in the surface temperatures to suggest that the long term rise (which is what we have to worry about) will be low.
This research says that interpretation is false. The difference between the models with a lower equilibrium sensitivity and those with a higher sensitivity is how the deal with (simply put) clouds, and the models with lower sensitivity don't model the physical processes correctly according to the observations.
Therefore, any apparent reduction in warming is likely just down to short term variation, caused by short term effects like ocean cycles, volcanic activity and the like.
<quoted text>
Yes, it is.
NO!
The reason is because the earth makes it's own adjustments inspite of man-made activity.

If there was this massive amount of CO2 then plants would flourish increasing greenery that would cool the planet. Or CO2 would create cloud cover that would cool the earth. Or volcanic activity puts ash in the atmosphere that cools the earth.
The earth is 2/3 water so any evaporation would create more water distributions that might even cool desert areas.
This is all 5th grade science.
You global warmers, climate changers are all sqealing about something that you have no control over but what to control mankind thru. It's that simple.

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#42371 Jan 2, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>NO!
The reason is because the earth makes it's own adjustments inspite of man-made activity.
If there was this massive amount of CO2 then plants would flourish increasing greenery that would cool the planet. Or CO2 would create cloud cover that would cool the earth. Or volcanic activity puts ash in the atmosphere that cools the earth.
The earth is 2/3 water so any evaporation would create more water distributions that might even cool desert areas.
This is all 5th grade science.
You global warmers, climate changers are all sqealing about something that you have no control over but what to control mankind thru. It's that simple.
Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
Dang it's all so clear now, we have been dumber than house bricks. All those climate scientists forgot about the plants & volcanoes lets hope those still stuck in the ice in Antarctica have internet access so they can read this revelation!
Hey now

Corona Del Mar, CA

#42372 Jan 2, 2014
Cut n Paste wrote:
Before Man started keeping track of the weather not a single extreme weather event was recorded in North America. Today extreme weather is common in North America.
Since Man Made Global Warming started every year has been filled with record breaking weather.
My grandfather was one of the government weather data collectors. He said they didn't keep good records back in the 1930's or 1940's. Him and his buddies used to say "close enough for government work". Said the thermometers were sometimes broken, or in the shade or had fallen over from the week before and were not quickly repaired.

He also took to beer and wine a bit as did his other co-workers.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#42373 Jan 2, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Dang it's all so clear now, we have been dumber than house bricks. All those climate scientists forgot about the plants & volcanoes lets hope those still stuck in the ice in Antarctica have internet access so they can read this revelation!
Another genius has joined us, another Galileo!

Hold the presses on all those research papers in progress! Prepare to have everything you know discounted!

Truth will out!
SpaceBlues

United States

#42374 Jan 2, 2014
Climate scientist wrote:
<quoted text>
None of that is true.
Your post and name are not true.

You are just another generic denier.
litesong

Everett, WA

#42375 Jan 2, 2014
litesong wrote:
AGW scientists predicted Antarctic sea ice would increase in 2002, re-confirmed in 2005, & has occurred, as toxic topix AGW deniers like to point out, as if it wasn't an AGW scientific prediction.
You forgot the statement, "...Arctic sea ice has recovered by 60%" after the 2012 Arctic sea ice low record, of which toxic topix AGW deniers gloat that 2013 is so cold! However, it wasn't 60% as crowed about by toxic topix AGW deniers. Multiple errors designed such by toxic AGW deniers, covered the fact that Arctic sea ice AREA only recovered by 35%. A more accurate measure, monthly Arctic sea ice VOLUME compared to average monthly sea ice VOLUME measures since 2010, show only a gain of 15% in volume. Up to December 1 2013, the year, again which toxic topix AGW deniers gloated was so cold, monthly Arctic sea ice VOLUME is only 7% greater than the monthly measures since 2010.
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"motheaten mothballs" muffed:
the Arcic(sic) sea ice, isn't it a good thing to have recovered from such a low amount from last year by any amount?
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litesong wrote:
"motheaten mothballs" doesn't miss a beat, as it lithely steps over multiple errors of toxic topix AGW deniers, plays pollyanna, consorting to errors & making more of its own errors, EVEN THO IT USES NO MATHEMATICS THIS TIME.
Ah...... so Arctic sea ice "recovers" in winter, from its lows in late summer! What an unusual event to occur, according to touched toxic topix AGW deniers, so touched, they crowed about a 60% recovery! Which it wasn't!

Touched toxic topix AGW deniers NEED REPEAT TREATS.

Whittling their pencils, touched toxic topix AGW deniers made multiply biased calculations again & came up with 50%. Which it wasn't.

The fact is Arctic sea ice AREA only recovered by 35%, at the time touched toxic topix AGW deniers made their 60% assertion. A more accurate measure, monthly Arctic sea ice VOLUME, compared to average monthly sea ice VOLUME measures since 2010, show only a gain of 15% in VOLUME, at the time touched toxic topix AGW deniers make their 60% AREA assertion. Now, up to December 1 2013, the year, again which toxic topix AGW deniers gloated was so cold, monthly Arctic sea ice VOLUME is only 7% greater than the monthly measures since 2010.
//////////
I'm glad touched toxic topix AGW deniers continually crow about Arctic sea ice recovery, showing their non-scienced bias, their lack of science & mathematics abilities & their near total lack of science & mathematics education. I love it, I love it, I love it.
I LOVE IT..........I LOVE IT.........I LOVE IT!!!!!

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#42376 Jan 2, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Dang it's all so clear now, we have been dumber than house bricks. All those climate scientists forgot about the plants & volcanoes lets hope those still stuck in the ice in Antarctica have internet access so they can read this revelation!
And I'm sure those stranded scientists wish that the melting ice was true now! LOL
This might hurt there precious grant money now, eh? LOL
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42377 Jan 2, 2014
litesong wrote:
litesong wrote:
litesong wrote:
jackass, jackass, jackass.

Go troll elsewhere.
litesong

Everett, WA

#42378 Jan 2, 2014
Mothra wrote:
jackass, jackass, jackass.
......jackalope, jackalope, jackalope....... a mythical beast, also without science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, & pre-calc in its non-earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa.
litesong

Everett, WA

#42379 Jan 2, 2014
Correction:
"mothra" is "motheaten mothballs".
litesong

Everett, WA

#42380 Jan 2, 2014
motheaten mothballs wrote:
jackass, jackass, jackass.
Touched toxic topix AGW deniers NEED REPEAT TREATS.

Whittling their pencils, touched toxic topix AGW deniers made multiply biased calculations again & came up with 50%. Which it wasn't.

The fact is Arctic sea ice AREA only recovered by 35%, at the time touched toxic topix AGW deniers made their 60% assertion. A more accurate measure, monthly Arctic sea ice VOLUME, compared to average monthly sea ice VOLUME measures since 2010, show only a gain of 15% in VOLUME, at the time touched toxic topix AGW deniers make their 60% AREA assertion. Now, up to December 1 2013, the year, again which toxic topix AGW deniers gloated was so cold, monthly Arctic sea ice VOLUME is only 7% greater than the monthly measures since 2010.
//////////
I'm glad touched toxic topix AGW deniers continually crow about Arctic sea ice recovery, showing their non-scienced bias, their lack of science & mathematics abilities & their near total lack of science & mathematics education. I love it, I love it, I love it.
I LOVE IT..........I LOVE IT.........I LOVE IT!!!!!
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#42381 Jan 2, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>.
You're not worth reading, and I don't.

But keep posting away... take hours and hours inventing drivel. Then take a few more hours answering yourself. Hell, take the whole day and have an in depth thought provoking conversation with yourself.

I consider it a public service that I can capture your limited intelligence and as such you're not polluting all of Topix.

LOL

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