Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 62343 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Jul 11

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#41236 Nov 11, 2013
Jose wrote:
<quoted text>
Good to know. I suspected as much. But I'm not a scientist.
I wonder at what point do deniers stop mocking and start to take notice. Last year Europe was under water, Sandy, Katrina, out of control wild fires etc etc and this has only been in the part 10 yrs or so. Not in the last 500 yrs, so at which point do you start to think something is amiss. Given that this last super storm was the strongest in the world's history. 10,000 ppl dead and the count will keep rising.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/n...

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#41237 Nov 11, 2013
You warmist fools can't seem to help yourselves!
Lol
EVERYTIME a big weather event occurs you all jump on the bandwagon shouting "see..see what man made co2 is doing to our planet"?
Lol
Anyone find proof of your claims?!?! Oh, wait, politically driven motivations need no scientific evidence!
Lol
Professor Emeritus Fellow

Corona Del Mar, CA

#41238 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder at what point do deniers stop mocking and start to take notice. Last year Europe was under water, Sandy, Katrina, out of control wild fires etc etc and this has only been in the part 10 yrs or so. Not in the last 500 yrs, so at which point do you start to think something is amiss. Given that this last super storm was the strongest in the world's history. 10,000 ppl dead and the count will keep rising.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/n...
You need only to take a close look at the peer reviewed data by reputable scientists in our field.

With only two hurricanes so far, the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season is well behind the curve to reach the average number of hurricanes and is one of the least intense since 1950.
While the season does not end until late November, time is running out for the season, much to the relief of those living in coastal areas.

Atlantic Seasons With Two or Fewer Hurricanes
(1851-Present)
Year
Number of Hurricanes
1914
0
1907
0
1905
1
1890
2
1895
2
1917
2
1919
2
1925
2
1930
2
1982
2
2013
2

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41239 Nov 11, 2013
Professor Emeritus Fellow wrote:
<quoted text>
You need only to take a close look at the peer reviewed data by reputable scientists in our field.
With only two hurricanes so far, the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season is well behind the curve to reach the average number of hurricanes and is one of the least intense since 1950.
While the season does not end until late November, time is running out for the season, much to the relief of those living in coastal areas.
Atlantic Seasons With Two or Fewer Hurricanes
(1851-Present)
Year
Number of Hurricanes
......
1925
2
1930
2
1982
2
2013
2
Yeah, you are correct the dice didn't roll your way this year. So I guess you will be happy to accept 4-5 million refugees coming from the Philippines because they weren't so lucky. That is the other big threat from climate change in the future, climate refugees!

http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...
heavytune

Seattle, WA

#41240 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
This is what a SuperStorm looks like when it gets it's strength from us doing nothing about global warming. Imagine if that hit the US mainland & the deniers will keep telling us these are natural events that one would hope never to see in their lifetime only it is now almost an annual event somewhere in the world. For all those tea baggers who always thought the nuke is a solve all problems solution. Only with Mother Nature it doesn't stand a chance, yet we give her the finger daily!
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/phil...
http://warincontext.org/2013/11/10/super-typh...
gee wizz ritz, these are natural events. and quit fingering mother nature. your going to tell us there have never been storms before? this event has nothing to do with your made up fairytale of global warming caused by man. next time you stumble past a store pick up a package of common sense.
heavytune

Seattle, WA

#41241 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, you are correct the dice didn't roll your way this year. So I guess you will be happy to accept 4-5 million refugees coming from the Philippines because they weren't so lucky. That is the other big threat from climate change in the future, climate refugees!
http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...
talk about reality 'ritz',what are we going to do with the 40 million people from japan that will soon have to be evacuated? where are the people from the west coast going to go? stick your fairytale somewhere and get some common sense. you must be related to litesong, he has to hold his breath to think. uses up both his brain cells to do anything else.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#41242 Nov 11, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, you are correct the dice didn't roll your way this year. So I guess you will be happy to accept 4-5 million refugees coming from the Philippines because they weren't so lucky. That is the other big threat from climate change in the future, climate refugees!
http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...
your own link admits that scientist really haven't a clue as to how, or if, global warming has an impact on storms.

LOL
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41243 Nov 11, 2013
Heat waves are thought to result from subseasonal atmospheric variability... We find that heat waves tend to be preceded by 15–20 days by a pattern of anomalous atmospheric planetary waves with a wavenumber of 5. This circulation pattern can arise as a result of internal atmospheric dynamics and is not necessarily linked to tropical heating. We conclude that some mid-latitude circulation anomalies that increase the probability of heat waves are predictable beyond the typical weather forecast range.[nature]
doi:10.1038/ngeo1988

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#41244 Nov 11, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>your own link admits that scientist really haven't a clue as to how, or if, global warming has an impact on storms.
LOL
no one is going to pin a specific event on warming, the only consensus is that they will be more intense. Proving it would be like proving chaos theory, you know, a butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon causes a super-storm in the gulf.

I put the question out there about frequency and intensity. At what point do you start to question the logic that man has no impact on climate or are you going to wait until we get one of these every month.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#41245 Nov 11, 2013
Now the IPCC — or at least the draft — says it has “low confidence” of that relationship, which means it believes that there is only a 2-out-of-10 chance of being correct. The estimated probability that the 21st century will see more intense hurricane activity has fallen as well.

Read more: Why There Haven't Been Any Hurricanes So Far | TIME.com http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...

In particular, the IPCC in its latest round likely took note of a major 2010 paper in the journal Nature Geoscience, authored by no less than 10 hurricane experts, finding that “it remains uncertain whether past changes in tropical cyclone activity have exceeded the variability expected from natural causes.”

Read more: Why There Haven't Been Any Hurricanes So Far | TIME.com http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-h...

These points were taken from your link.....

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#41246 Nov 11, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>your own link admits that scientist really haven't a clue as to how, or if, global warming has an impact on storms.
LOL
Fact: sea level rise makes storms more damaging.

Fact: warmer ocean temperatures give storms more energy and make them more damaging.

Fact: a warmer atmosphere carries more moisture, which results in more precipitation, making storms worse.

Not LOL.
JAG

United States

#41247 Nov 12, 2013
U.N. Global Summit being held in Warsaw saw Australia stand against any additional taxes set aside for global initiatives. The Australian delegation gave this statement:

"No longer support Socialism masquerading as Environmentalism"

Perhaps America will join this sensible opinion
and take a step further and not accept our tax money to support Socialism masquerading as Healthcare.
President Obama

Fullerton, CA

#41248 Nov 12, 2013
There is no global warming.

Get that out of your head right now.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41249 Nov 12, 2013
President Obama wrote:
There is no global warming.
Get that out of your head right now.
Follow news?

The Philippine delegate at U.N. climate talks began a fast on Monday in protest at a lack of action on global warming that he blamed for fuelling a super typhoon that has killed an estimated 10,000 people in his country.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#41250 Nov 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Follow news?
The Philippine delegate at U.N. climate talks began a fast on Monday in protest at a lack of action on global warming that he blamed for fuelling a super typhoon that has killed an estimated 10,000 people in his country.
But it isn't just about one typhoon or the death toll. It is about the long term changes to climate that make such disasters on a grand scale more prevalent. Being able to 'disconnect' the cause and effect, is one thing that is helping the denialists and preventing responsible action.
Lisa

United States

#41251 Nov 12, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Follow news?
The Philippine delegate at U.N. climate talks began a fast on Monday in protest at a lack of action on global warming that he blamed for fuelling a super typhoon that has killed an estimated 10,000 people in his country.
Projected number of storms is considerably less than predicted though this year it was predicted strong storms would happen due to warm currents. But as explained many times the aggregate mean temps have not increased.

U.N. Global Climate meetings in Warsaw had Australia no longer supporting the agenda as it clearly believes the science isn't empirical evidence of global climate change but a political agenda.

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Since: Mar 09

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#41252 Nov 12, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Fact: sea level rise makes storms more damaging.
Fact: warmer ocean temperatures give storms more energy and make them more damaging.
Fact: a warmer atmosphere carries more moisture, which results in more precipitation, making storms worse.
Not LOL.
Some of these folks don't let facts get in the way of agenda.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#41253 Nov 12, 2013
once again, warmer hysterics and dumbasses like Oblama and even G. Bush screw it up and destroy parts of the environment:

Nation and World
Ethanol push's unintentional environmental consequences
By Dina Cappiello and Matt Apuzzo
The Associated Press
Posted: 11/12/2013 12:01:00 AM MST7 comments
Updated: 11/12/2013 06:15:52 AM MST



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Ethanol push's unintentional environmental consequences
By Dina Cappiello and Matt Apuzzo
The Associated Press
Posted: 11/12/2013 12:01:00 AM MST7 comments | Updated: about 3 hours ago

CORYDON, Iowa — The hills of southern Iowa bear the scars of America's push for green energy: The brown gashes where rain has washed away the soil. The polluted streams that dump fertilizer into the water supply.

Even the cemetery that disappeared like an apparition into a cornfield.

It wasn't supposed to be this way.

With the Iowa political caucuses on the horizon in 2007, presidential candidate Barack Obama made homegrown corn a centerpiece of his plan to slow global warming. When President George W. Bush signed a law that year requiring oil companies to add billions of gallons of ethanol to their gasoline each year, Bush predicted it would make the country "stronger, cleaner and more secure."

But the ethanol era has proven far more damaging to the environment than politicians promised and much worse than the government admits today.

As farmers rushed to find new places to plant corn, which soared in price, they wiped out millions of acres of conservation land, destroyed habitat and contaminated water supplies, an Associated Press investigation found.

Five million acres of land set aside for conservation — more than Yellowstone, Everglades and Yosemite National Parks combined — have been converted on Obama's watch.

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_2450...

Liberals are sooooo stupid, can they ever learn?
Al Gore

Los Angeles, CA

#41254 Nov 12, 2013
President Obama wrote:
There is no global warming.
Get that out of your head right now.
What about that big storm ? Huh?
Coal is King

Madisonville, KY

#41255 Nov 12, 2013
More voices from the coalfields:

From Barbourville, KY:

“There is Enough Coal Reserves in KY to supply our needs for the next 500 years... There is No Other Technology that comes close to being able to supply our energy needs other than Nuclear and we are not allowed to develop that .. Solar, Wind and Ethanol cannot and could not supply a 20% of our need in this country...”

From Haines City, FL:

“This president does not like Coal as an energy source. Duke Energy in Alabama has mining jobs because they ship their coal to China, not the USA. You need to get off your asses and stretch your hand door to door in your community and get this idiot out of the White House, if you want to see change in the Commonwealth. With no coal severence tax the state will be a third world country before long. Oh, and after today you'll be taxed if you don't buy some cut rate, no coverage insurance plan you can't afford. This man is an idiot. Quit your job, get on welfare and food stamps, and have a few kids you can't afford. That is the only way you can afford to live in the new america.”

From Clay City, KY:

“agree with you 100%. I just had this same conversation a few minutes ago. I even read a post about Eastern Kentucky being referred to as a third world country. It looks like they would help us out then, don't it? They are always sending money to other countries, but Eastern KY, and WV are always forgotten. I really don't understand our country's way of thinking these days. So messed up!”

From Richmond, KY:

“People already had coverage but even the poor are being denied with this Obama in office ! Back to coal we need it more than we need to remain democrats ! Its time we people in harlan become Repubicans and stand up for ourselves !”

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