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“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#41150 Nov 6, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
Agree, and even companies like Apple bring out lemons from time to time. They were on the brink of bankruptcy until Jobs came back. Their first toe in the water with PDA's was the Newton and that sold only in the handful which was a long time before the IPad.
Jobs also failed with Next computers & the Lisa, not bad products just too damn expensive. So high tech is a risky game but in deniers eyes if its tech & green well that's a double mark down on the road to failure.
No, even low tech can be corrupt and deal with crony capitalists. Solyndra's bankruptcy isn't bad because just because of lost jobs, the taxpayer is on the hook for the bills and failed loan payments. It's wasteful government spending, intrusive regulations and green taxes that cause the problem, not technology.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#41151 Nov 6, 2013
litesong wrote:
I just wish I where I had not been such a sheep and given all my hard earned profits to demorats like al gore and other charlatans who bled me for more and lied to me. I rant about my education, of which I really have very little, that is why I brag about it, and I dream of a day when the government will tell me every move to make, every step to take, every breath to breath. I am so stupid I cannot function on my own. I have to admit it, I am a stupid liberal.
That's a cheap trick and completely dishonest. But then, what could we expect from a denier?

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#41152 Nov 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>No, even low tech can be corrupt and deal with crony capitalists. Solyndra's bankruptcy isn't bad because just because of lost jobs, the taxpayer is on the hook for the bills and failed loan payments. It's wasteful government spending, intrusive regulations and green taxes that cause the problem, not technology.
Some endeavors work some don't. That is how things work. A turtle never gets anywhere unless it sticks out its neck. The worst thing we can do is to do nothing because it might fail. Even though the investment went sour at Solyndra, something was learned. Deniers never learn because they are not open to new ideas......
litesong

Monroe, WA

#41153 Nov 6, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
That's a cheap trick and completely dishonest. But then, what could we expect from a denier?
Copying my name & putting it on uneducated political blundering, isn't even original. toxic topix AGW deniers even plagiarize their own.

But, toxic topix AGW deniers have to plagiarize educated people now. With the election showing tea partiers fading into political history, toxic topix tots have no one to copy on their own side of issues.
heavytune

Seattle, WA

#41154 Nov 6, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Some endeavors work some don't. That is how things work. A turtle never gets anywhere unless it sticks out its neck. The worst thing we can do is to do nothing because it might fail. Even though the investment went sour at Solyndra, something was learned. Deniers never learn because they are not open to new ideas......
here is a new idea 'bozo', three perhaps four melt downs, since one of the fuel pools is missing, of mox fuel in japan. and you are still ranting about the made up fairytale of man made global warming? the comet ison is gassing off mainly co2 and methane, and you are still ranting about man made global warming? the orbit of comet ison is still unknown, the whereabouts of the mox fuel is still unknown. and you are still ranting about the made up fairytale of global warming caused by man? you must be litesong's half brother or something. no one alive could be that stupid,or is it genetic? we will soon be in the debris trail of comet ison, the debris from japan will be on our shores, will your fairytale matter anymore?
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#41155 Nov 6, 2013
For the past six years since publication of the AR4, the UN global climate negotiations were conducted on the basis that even without serious mitigation policies global sea-level would rise only between 18 and 59 cm, with perhaps 10 or 20 cm more due to ice dynamics. Now they are being told that the best estimate for unmitigated emissions is 74 cm, and even with the most stringent mitigation efforts, sea level rise could exceed 60 cm by the end of century. It is basically too late to implement measures that would very likely prevent half a meter rise in sea level. Early mitigation is the key to avoiding higher sea level rise, given the slow response time of sea level (Schaeffer et al. 2012). This is where the “conservative” estimates of IPCC, seen by some as a virtue, have lulled policy makers into a false sense of security, with the price having to be paid later by those living in vulnerable coastal areas.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41156 Nov 6, 2013
What the world would look like if all ice melted

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/what-the...
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#41157 Nov 6, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
What the world would look like if all ice melted
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/what-the...
I think that this is just a rough cut. A lot of the North of Canada would be under water since hundreds of meters of permafrost would melt and that would lower the land levels from what they are today quite a bit, putting them under water or at least salt water swamp.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#41158 Nov 6, 2013
National Journal:

A myriad of factors combined to doom Ken Cuccinelli’s gubernatorial bid, but environmental groups certainly played a role, reports The Hill. And Team Green has a warning for the other politicians who are unwilling to address climate change: You’re next.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#41159 Nov 7, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Some endeavors work some don't. That is how things work. A turtle never gets anywhere unless it sticks out its neck. The worst thing we can do is to do nothing because it might fail. Even though the investment went sour at Solyndra, something was learned. Deniers never learn because they are not open to new ideas......
Some endeavors are funded by private investors risking their own money and some are funded by politicians, bureaucrats and corrupt crony capitalists using taxpayer money to fund their political careers.

One thing learned from Solyndra; stop wasteful government spending.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#41160 Nov 7, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
National Journal: A myriad of factors combined to doom Ken Cuccinelli’s gubernatorial bid, but environmental groups certainly played a role, reports The Hill. And Team Green has a warning for the other politicians who are unwilling to address climate change: You’re next.
If you add up the votes in Virginia, more people voted against Terry McAuliffe's climate mitigating ways than for them. Cuccinelli spent $15 million less than McAuliffe's campaign and his own party didn't strongly support him out of fear of the Tea Party.

Team Green is always warning and threatening; they induce fear to achieve their political schemes.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#41161 Nov 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Some endeavors are funded by private investors risking their own money and some are funded by politicians, bureaucrats and corrupt crony capitalists using taxpayer money to fund their political careers.
One thing learned from Solyndra; stop wasteful government spending.
One thing here is that you never learn.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#41162 Nov 7, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
A lot of the North of Canada would be under water since hundreds of meters of permafrost would melt and that would lower the land levels from what they are today quite a bit, putting them under water or at least salt water swamp.
Surprisingly, they have failed to include the potential great inland sea in the middle of Greenland that would occur due to raised sea level, at least till the Greenland interior rebounded, after the miles deep ices were removed. The actual Antarctic island landmasses are interesting after those miles deep ices are removed.
Coal is King

Hopkinsville, KY

#41163 Nov 7, 2013
More voices from the coalfields:

From “Obamahater” in Richmond, KY:

“What about all the emissions china is putting out? your black hope doing anything there to help the enviroment? just because we are doing better with carbon emissions doesnt mean its helping the planet. Just look at the asian nations. they are pumping out Co2 emissions like crazy and they dont give a shit..yea your black hope is really helping the world on this one..your just another fucktard lib...”

From Clay Center, KY:

“you liberal pieces of shit can take your crap somewhere else....

another fun fact for you is that Obama "your savior" has spent more than bush did in 8 years already....oh gosh facts sure hurt dont they.....again prove me wrong with a link to a credible news source that reports otherwise...in detail please....

its obamas admin now and its time to quit blaming Bush for things Obama has done....wake up and smell the coffee....

please tell me how we are better off now than when Bush was in office....how does the fed printing 80 billion a month helping the AMERICAN DOLLAR?? yea that FAKE money has the market so inflated its funny....please tell me how Obamacare is cutting costs of medical expenses and why corporations are now making people part time to keep from paying the ADDED ins costs??......in detail please....”

From Belfry, KY:

“China is burning more than any other country without evironmental protection agency laws. So what's the difference? There economy is thriving while americas going under!”
Coal is King

Hopkinsville, KY

#41164 Nov 7, 2013
More voices from the coalfields:

From Hazard, KY:

“All you who believe natural gas will replace coal had better understand that the war on natural gas is back. Read the story on WKYT about the environmental nuns who want to stop the construction of a gas pipeline that is vital to KY. The greenies are getting back to the grind of stopping the use of any vital energy sources.”

From Hazard, KY:

“good, hope they get all the bastards shut down”

From “trucker” in London, KY:

“Glad to see that nobody wants the pipe lines. Good for people like me in trucking. Gas Obama's answer and his backers don't like that news. Guess I'll have to start hauling the coal to peoples houses like my grandpa did. Can't haul it to the power plants anymore and engery bill will rocket if not for coal!!! Now, who is better off these days than 8 or 9 years ago?”

From Pikeville, KY:

“There's nothing to replace these power plants with and there's no way they will allow natural gas to replace coal.
Germany and Japan are returning to coal. So the way it will be is China, Japan, India and Germany will have their lights on 24/7 burning our coal and we will be in dark.”

From London, KY:

“You can't leave what you can't replace. Now would you rather have a load of coal on your highways or a load of N. gas? The gas has to be piped. If you can't get it there than you can't use it. People do not want that running across their land. Maybe obama will make another exec. order and take their land for the pipe lines. He don't seem to keen to run the oil pipeline. I'd rather have oil than gas running around my house.”
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#41165 Nov 7, 2013
Watch Live: Polar Bears Wait for Ice to Form at Hudson Bay

Amstrup, who has studied polar bears in Alaska for the past 30 years, said the bears have been forced to stay on land about one day longer each year. Because of annual variation in the climate, however, scientists don't know exactly how long the Hudson Bay bears will have to wait for ice to form this year. For the next few weeks, Amstrup and his team are at Hudson Bay, observing the bears from all-terrain vehicles called Tundra Buggies.

Most of the time, the bears are just loafing around and resting. Because they're not hunting, they must conserve energy. However, some of the young male bears will play-fight with each other. The sparring behavior allows bears to assess each other's physical strength at a time when they aren't competing for food or prospective mates, Amstrup told LiveScience.

But as earlier ice melts drive the bears ashore earlier, when they've had less time to hunt and bulk up, "we will probably see less and less sparring behavior," Amstrup said. "Here in Hudson Bay, we've seen declines in the weight of the bears," he said, adding that leaner females produce fewer, smaller cubs, which don't survive as well.

Viewers might catch a glimpse of mothers with their cubs. But what they won't see are pregnant mothers, which have all moved inland to den, said wildlife biologist Tom Smith of Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. The mother bears have their cubs in January, and emerge from their dens in March.

Though not at aggressive as grizzly bears, polar bears do kill each other from time to time. "The single most consistent threat to cubs is other bears," Smith told LiveScience. Bigger bears might kill the cubs because getting rid of them will bring a mother bear back into heat, making her fertile again, Smith said. Or they might simply kill the cubs for food.

"Cannibalism in bears is documented many times and many places," Smith said, adding, "It's definitely not the Disney version of things."

Still, the risk of a reprisal from a bear fighting back does deter them from attacking. And in general, they are fairly social animals, Smith said.

The webcams were initially developed to attract public interest in the bears. Users can also take snapshots from the video and share them using social media. Now, scientists are discussing the potential for citizen science. For instance, snapshots could be used to track the bears' weight over time, Amstrup said.

Ultimately, the webcam's most important value is "to get people's attention focused on the plight of the polar bears," Amstrup said. "They're emblematic of the future we all face, if we don't take action against climate change."
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#41166 Nov 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If you add up the votes in Virginia, more people voted against Terry McAuliffe's climate mitigating ways than for them. Cuccinelli spent $15 million less than McAuliffe's campaign and his own party didn't strongly support him out of fear of the Tea Party.
Team Green is always warning and threatening; they induce fear to achieve their political schemes.
Who won the election?

You are always warning and threatening of dire consequences of reducing GHG output; pretty much baseless claims. You fear the new and the progressive, a scaredy-cat comfortable with what's old and known.

In addition, you're an idiot. This is where we differ.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#41167 Nov 7, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
More voices from the coalfields:
From “Obamahater” in Richmond, KY:
“What about all the emissions china is putting out? your black hope doing anything there to help the enviroment? just because we are doing better with carbon emissions doesnt mean its helping the planet. Just look at the asian nations. they are pumping out Co2 emissions like crazy and they dont give a shit..yea your black hope is really helping the world on this one..your just another fucktard lib...”
From Clay Center, KY:
“you liberal pieces of shit can take your crap somewhere else....
another fun fact for you is that Obama "your savior" has spent more than bush did in 8 years already....oh gosh facts sure hurt dont they.....again prove me wrong with a link to a credible news source that reports otherwise...in detail please....
its obamas admin now and its time to quit blaming Bush for things Obama has done....wake up and smell the coffee....
please tell me how we are better off now than when Bush was in office....how does the fed printing 80 billion a month helping the AMERICAN DOLLAR?? yea that FAKE money has the market so inflated its funny....please tell me how Obamacare is cutting costs of medical expenses and why corporations are now making people part time to keep from paying the ADDED ins costs??......in detail please....”
From Belfry, KY:
“China is burning more than any other country without evironmental protection agency laws. So what's the difference? There economy is thriving while americas going under!”
I see, you, like a teenager use the argument that because like others are doing it, like it is ok for you to do it.

If the economy hadn't crashed, we could have spent all that money on things that would have helped our infrastructure, our environment and our health care system.

BTW, companies already had cut hours for workers because of the high cost of health care. If the private insurance is so good, why is the cost so high? Why is our health care system the most costly one in the industrial world? We need a single payer insurance system. That will never happen as long as the insurance corporations are able to buy politicians!

The Earth is warming. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that traps discrete IR radiation in the atmosphere. Burning fossil fuels increases the CO2 in the atmosphere. Those are facts.
Bud

United States

#41168 Nov 7, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
I see, you, like a teenager use the argument that because like others are doing it, like it is ok for you to do it.
If the economy hadn't crashed, we could have spent all that money on things that would have helped our infrastructure, our environment and our health care system.
BTW, companies already had cut hours for workers because of the high cost of health care. If the private insurance is so good, why is the cost so high? Why is our health care system the most costly one in the industrial world? We need a single payer insurance system. That will never happen as long as the insurance corporations are able to buy politicians!
The Earth is warming. CO2 is a greenhouse gas that traps discrete IR radiation in the atmosphere. Burning fossil fuels increases the CO2 in the atmosphere. Those are facts.
I get it. You want the United Socialist States of Amerika.
litesong

Torrance, CA

#41169 Nov 7, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Copying my name & putting it on uneducated political blundering, isn't even original. toxic topix AGW deniers even plagiarize their own.
But, toxic topix AGW deniers have to plagiarize educated people now. With the election showing tea partiers fading into political history, toxic topix tots have no one to copy on their own side of issues.
I wish I where educated, but seeing as mom dropped me on my head when I was a child and I rode the short bus, I make it a habit of pretending Im smart.

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