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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.
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“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#39610 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense.
Why do you bother to abuse posters? You have no class.
In addition to what you responded to, a repeat of the Wikipedia reference that I had posted earlier:
The IPCC presented Mann with a personalized certificate "for contributing to the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC", celebrating the joint award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the IPCC and to Al Gore. The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organisation, and the prize was not an award to any individual involved with the IPCC.[47] The IPCC officially states that the certificates were issued "to scientists that had contributed substantially to the preparation of IPCC reports. Such certificates, which feature a copy of the Nobel Peace Prize diploma, were sent to coordinating lead authors, lead authors, review editors, Bureau members, staff of the technical support units and staff of the secretariat from the IPCC’s inception in 1988 until the award of the prize in 2007. The IPCC has not sent such certificates to contributing authors, expert reviewers and focal points."[47][48] In his 2012 book Mann noted an IPCC meeting in 2009 celebrating the prize, where Working Group 1 co-chair Susan Solomon highlighted the personal sacrifice that he and Benjamin D. Santer had made in the name of the IPCC.[49]
Move on, LOL.
I'm not abusing anyone, son. You, one the other hand, seem to insist on abusing yourself for perpetuating an obvious lie. I wouldn't call you a liar....if you would've admitted to making a mistake.

Your self abuse is all your own now, son.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#39611 Sep 22, 2013
what will your response be.....i wrote one when i should've typed on???

LOL
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#39612 Sep 22, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Look the Chinese are doing things on a scale western countries dream about. Those token bits here & there are things like building complete green cities from nothing. But of course to still maintain growth they have to balance western style slash n burn development as opposed to a careful managed approach. With a centralised government that controls everything they can make changes like flicking a light switch. Something that can't happen in the USA.
For instance new car plates now are only available via a lottery system. So if you want a car even if you have the money to pay for it. Obtaining the licence plate is via the lottery. Now try that in the US and see what happens. However with a government like that it sets itself up for corruption and I'm sure given enough cash and contacts your number would come up if you really wanted that plate. Also when you have an emerging middle class in China that wants all things westerners bathe themselves in as a mark of success. Those things don't always fit in with being green or reducing carbon emissions. But that same centralised government has a plan and that is to reduce those emissions and gearing its economy towards it. Something the US is still arguing about, and a congress that is rendered completely non functioning where to get a bill passed on anything is like parting the red sea. That's democracy at its worst.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2...
Ahhh...the AGW totalitarian mind loves China and hates all things capitalist. That emerging middle class in China must be stomped on. Can't have the middle class in China living like those of us in the US. So what if there's a "little" corruption here and there, China knows how to control their people. So what if a few human rights are violated, China knows how to control their people and CO2. Go China.

Funny how we are doing better lowering our emissions than any other country despite not implementing a carbon tax or cap and trade. Gee, and it was all due to capitalism.

A Model for Reducing Emissions:

American emissions of CO2 have fallen almost 13 percent since 2007. It was perhaps the biggest decline among industrial countries, and substantially steeper than in Europe, which has been much more committed to combating climate change.

Carbon emissions from the United States have never fallen this much, not after the first oil price shock following the Arab oil embargo of 1973, nor after the Iranian revolution of 1979, when American drivers suddenly discovered the virtues of Japanese small cars and President Jimmy Carter installed solar panels on the White House to heat the water.

What stands out most in this shift, however, is not environmental regulation or public concern about global warming but the price of energy and market-driven technological advancements.“It wasn’t so much a policy shift that brought carbon emissions down,” said James Hamilton, an energy economist at the University of California, San Diego.“It was irresistible market forces.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/business/us...
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39613 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense..
Wikipedia? As if that couldn't be edited in an instant.

What about the Penn State Bio, hmmm?

You said nothing about that, global warming hypocrite.
kristy

Oviedo, FL

#39615 Sep 22, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense.
Why do you bother to abuse posters? You have no class.
In addition to what you responded to, a repeat of the Wikipedia reference that I had posted earlier:
The IPCC presented Mann with a personalized certificate "for contributing to the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC", celebrating the joint award of the Nobel Peace Prize to the IPCC and to Al Gore. The 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to the IPCC as an organisation, and the prize was not an award to any individual involved with the IPCC.[47] The IPCC officially states that the certificates were issued "to scientists that had contributed substantially to the preparation of IPCC reports. Such certificates, which feature a copy of the Nobel Peace Prize diploma, were sent to coordinating lead authors, lead authors, review editors, Bureau members, staff of the technical support units and staff of the secretariat from the IPCC’s inception in 1988 until the award of the prize in 2007. The IPCC has not sent such certificates to contributing authors, expert reviewers and focal points."[47][48] In his 2012 book Mann noted an IPCC meeting in 2009 celebrating the prize, where Working Group 1 co-chair Susan Solomon highlighted the personal sacrifice that he and Benjamin D. Santer had made in the name of the IPCC.[49]
Move on, LOL.
So are you saying Mann knew he wasn't awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? If so, why did he claim he was awarded the prize in his upcoming lawsuit?

From his lawsuit:

"Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research has focused on global warming. In 2007, along with other researchers, he was one of the first to document the steady rise in surface temperatures during the 20th century and the steep increase in measured temperatures since the 1950s. As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/michael-m...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#39616 Sep 22, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying Mann knew he wasn't awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? If so, why did he claim he was awarded the prize in his upcoming lawsuit?
From his lawsuit:
"Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research has focused on global warming. In 2007, along with other researchers, he was one of the first to document the steady rise in surface temperatures during the 20th century and the steep increase in measured temperatures since the 1950s. As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/michael-m...
Thanks for the info.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#39618 Sep 23, 2013
FuGyou wrote:
Don't you have any other lying to attend to, bitch?
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joey

United States

#39619 Sep 23, 2013
The earth stopped warming 15 years ago all you Al Gore lovers.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39620 Sep 23, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying Mann knew he wasn't awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? If so, why did he claim he was awarded the prize in his upcoming lawsuit?
From his lawsuit:
"Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research has focused on global warming. In 2007, along with other researchers, he was one of the first to document the steady rise in surface temperatures during the 20th century and the steep increase in measured temperatures since the 1950s. As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."
http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/michael-m...
A statement which is entirely consistent with the facts:

"The IPCC issued the certificates with the text on them to IPCC participants, including Mann. "

What you cretinous conspiracy theorists need to recognise is that the lies about Mann you have read and repeated are entirely inconsistent with the facts, something which the courts are about to confirm.

But of course arguing over petty semantic details is a lot more comfortable than recognising that your stupid conspiracy theory is about to be rejected by a court of law, one place where evifence is supreme.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39621 Sep 23, 2013
joey wrote:
The earth stopped warming 15 years ago all you Al Gore lovers.
Just like Arctic sea ice melt stopped 6 years ago and sea level rise stopped 7 years ago?

Don't believe what the deniers tell you: they have a history of being wrong.

Science says warming goes on.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#39622 Sep 23, 2013
'Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize'

Nobel Committee Rebukes Michael Mann for falsely claiming he was ‘awarded the Nobel Peace Prize’

Mann was one of a 'select group' of a mere 2,000 people to receive a 'commemorative certificate of involvement'...

Here's a photo of Mann's certificate:
http://junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com/201...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#39623 Sep 23, 2013
joey wrote:
The earth stopped warming 15 years ago all you Al Gore lovers.
Believe whatever you want, green trolls aren't the best source of information.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39624 Sep 23, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
'Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize'
Nobel Committee Rebukes Michael Mann for falsely claiming he was ‘awarded the Nobel Peace Prize’
Mann was one of a 'select group' of a mere 2,000 people to receive a 'commemorative certificate of involvement'...
Here's a photo of Mann's certificate:
http://junksciencecom.files.wordpress.com/201...
A stupid lie of course, made up by Marc (king of smear) Morano: Mann has never been rebuked.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#39625 Sep 23, 2013
I'd call this a mild rebuke:
‘[Mann] did not receive any personal certificate’—Geir Lundestad, Dir. Prof. for The Norwegian Nobel Inst.: 1) Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. 2) He did not receive any personal certificate. He has taken the diploma awarded in 2007 to IPCC (& to Al Gore) & made his own text underneath this authentic-looking diploma’

Nobel Committee corrects Mann:‘The text underneath diploma is entirely his own. We issued only the diploma to IPCC as such. No individuals on IPCC side received anything in 2007’—Nobel Committee:‘Unfortunately we often experience that members of organizations that have indeed been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize issue various forms of personal diplomas to indicate that they personally have received the Nobel Peace Prize. They have not.’

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#39626 Sep 23, 2013
re·buke

Verb
Express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behavior or actions.
Noun
An expression of sharp disapproval or criticism.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#39628 Sep 23, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
You are fossil fueled, b-gone! Where do you find such nonsense to post?
If you can find an experiment testing man made CO2 from fossil fuel causing catastrophic climate change, please cite. Until then, that belief is faith, not science.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39629 Sep 23, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
A statement which is entirely consistent with the facts:
"The IPCC issued the certificates with the text on them to IPCC participants, including Mann. "
What you cretinous conspiracy theorists need to recognise is that the lies about Mann you have read and repeated are entirely inconsistent with the facts, something which the courts are about to confirm.
But of course arguing over petty semantic details is a lot more comfortable than recognising that your stupid conspiracy theory is about to be rejected by a court of law, one place where evifence is supreme.
Petty symantics details?

>>Let’s not forget that much, if not all, of Mann’s lawsuit is an appeal to the DC court for it to uphold the rightness and sanctity of Mann’s beatified authority on all matters environmental. Therefore, lawyers for Steyn, Rand Simberg and their respective publishers, the National Review and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, defendants in the case, may reasonably and fairly assert that for the past five years Mann has unscrupulously touted these false claims to unjustly further his personal, financial and political ambitions. With his saintly mantle shattered he can expect an onslaught of accusations of related scientific misconduct. PSU’s own policy statement suggests Mann has certainly breached their code of conduct:

“Academic integrity includes a commitment by all members of the University community not to engage in or tolerate acts of falsification, misrepresentation or deception. Such acts of dishonesty violate the fundamental ethical principles of the University community and compromise the worth of work completed by others.”[1]

Expect all eyes to be on PSU’s hierarchy to see whether they dodge their own internal disciplinary policies. After the humiliation of the Jerry Sandusky scandal PSU will get no wriggle room to save a second bad boy. Likewise, the NSF has a detailed history of handling cases where individuals have falsified their degrees, memberships, prizes and other accomplishments. An AAAS report tells us,“Federal agencies finding scientific misconduct have subjected researchers to a variety sanctions from a letter of reprimand to debarment from receiving federal funding for a number of years.”[2]

http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/10/28...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39630 Sep 23, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>

Petty symantics details?
Semantic, idiot, Symantec is an anti-virus company.

Yes, petty semantic details:

"along with other researchers? contributing to?"

Same thing.
>>Let’s not forget that much, if not all, of Mann’s lawsuit is an appeal to the DC court for it to uphold the rightness and sanctity of Mann’s beatified authority on all matters environmental. Therefore, lawyers for Steyn, Rand Simberg and their respective publishers, the National Review and the Competitive Enterprise Institute, defendants in the case, may reasonably and fairly assert that for the past five years Mann has unscrupulously touted these false claims to unjustly further his personal, financial and political ambitions. With his saintly mantle shattered he can expect an onslaught of accusations of related scientific misconduct. PSU’s own policy statement suggests Mann has certainly breached their code of conduct:
“Academic integrity includes a commitment by all members of the University community not to engage in or tolerate acts of falsification, misrepresentation or deception. Such acts of dishonesty violate the fundamental ethical principles of the University community and compromise the worth of work completed by others.”[1]
Expect all eyes to be on PSU’s hierarchy to see whether they dodge their own internal disciplinary policies. After the humiliation of the Jerry Sandusky scandal PSU will get no wriggle room to save a second bad boy. Likewise, the NSF has a detailed history of handling cases where individuals have falsified their degrees, memberships, prizes and other accomplishments. An AAAS report tells us,“Federal agencies finding scientific misconduct have subjected researchers to a variety sanctions from a letter of reprimand to debarment from receiving federal funding for a number of years.”[2]
http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/10/28...
Conspiracy theorist fantasy.

And really dumb to talk about "falsification, misrepresentation or deception" as Mann is suing people who said the same.

And going to win.

Get your head round that, dumb conspiracy theorist.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#39631 Sep 23, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Semantic, idiot, Symantec is an anti-virus company.
Yes, petty semantic details:
"along with other researchers? contributing to?"
Same thing.
<quoted text>
Conspiracy theorist fantasy.
And really dumb to talk about "falsification, misrepresentation or deception" as Mann is suing people who said the same.
And going to win.
Get your head round that, dumb conspiracy theorist.
You didn't read the article, did you?

You'd see how edits were made to Mann's bio at Penn State and other sites.

Mann cited himself as a 'Nobel Peace Prize winner'. He wasn't. He misrepresented his credentials, and did so for years.

But I guess ethics and credibility are qualities that only apply to the 'other guys' when you're "debunking" them.

If it weren't for double standards, warmists would have none.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#39633 Sep 23, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't read the article, did you?
Nope.

Not interested in your stupid conspiracy theory.

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