Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 64397 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Mothra

United States

#38469 Aug 26, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Of course there is no vested interest involved....is there?
ALEC is a corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. They pay for a seat on ALEC task forces where corporate lobbyists and special interest reps vote with elected officials to approve “model” bills.
I do hope your prepared to respond in-kind about your "independent scientists".

btw, warmists should be last people criticizing others for their "models".
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#38470 Aug 26, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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False.
For thousands of years, Man has only known a relatively stable climate.
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False.
The evidence is very strong that human activity is causing the warming, and causing most of it.
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False.
The perfect climate for us is somewhere between where the icesheets return and the glaciers and polar ice caps melt.
The glaciers and polar ice caps are melting.
"relatively stable climate"? What the hell does that mean? Man has lived and thrived during the glacial retreat and you say that it is "false" to assume that it is a good thing?

Those are the cutest justifications for believing in CAGW since the "Is Not, you are a Stupid Head" strategy.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38471 Aug 26, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
"The Saffir-Simpson hurricane category scale is based on wind speed: Category 5 storm has sustained winds greater than 155 mph."
"The categories run in roughly 20 mph increments, so a Cat 6 would be greater than 175 or 180 mph."
So a Cat 7 would be sustained winds above 175 mph.
"A couple told me they'd measured close to 200 mph on a few occasions."
So maybe we've already had a Cat 7?
Not so far out, huh?
Yeah, I'm sure we did...back in 1969. Maybe that's why we are cherry picking only the last 30 years.

Hurricane Camille was the third and strongest tropical cyclone and second hurricane during the 1969 Atlantic hurricane season. It was the second of three catastrophic Category 5 hurricanes to make landfall in the United States during the 20th century (the others being 1935's Labor Day hurricane and 1992's Hurricane Andrew), which it did near the mouth of the Mississippi River on the night of August 17. Camille was the only Atlantic hurricanes to exhibit recorded sustained wind speeds of at least 190 miles per hour (310 km/h) until Allen equaled it in 1980. It is the only confirmed Atlantic hurricane in recorded history to make landfall with wind speeds at or above such a level. The actual windspeed of Hurricane Camille will never be known, however, as it destroyed all of the wind recording instruments upon making landfall. By central pressure, in turn, Camille was the second strongest U.S. landfalling hurricane in recorded history, second only to the Labor Day Hurricane in 1935. It was also the first modern Category 5 hurricane to ever receive a person's name when making landfall in the United States.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38472 Aug 26, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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A 15 flat trend (if it were) is not " beyond" 15 years, is it, cretin?
If 2013 turns out to be flat, then we are beyond.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#38473 Aug 26, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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I do hope your prepared to respond in-kind about your "independent scientists".
btw, warmists should be last people criticizing others for their "models".
Different kind of model, hon.
Mothra

United States

#38474 Aug 26, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Different kind of model, hon.
Sorry... guess the joke was beyond you.
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#38475 Aug 26, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
"The Saffir-Simpson hurricane category scale is based on wind speed: Category 5 storm has sustained winds greater than 155 mph."
"The categories run in roughly 20 mph increments, so a Cat 6 would be greater than 175 or 180 mph."
So a Cat 7 would be sustained winds above 175 mph.
"A couple told me they'd measured close to 200 mph on a few occasions."
So maybe we've already had a Cat 7?
Not so far out, huh?
Yes! We could generate millions of $ for studies simply to evaluate the plausibility for a new category of hurricanes.
Universities, Science Academies, Journals, Government agencies, Blogs... the list is endless for all the groups that could squeeze a couple of years of funding from that 'golden goose'.

Yup... LHMF, You may be on to something good there.

Run with it... YOU could be the next Al Gore!

Who says there's no money in 'Climate Alarmism' anymore?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#38476 Aug 26, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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"relatively stable climate"? What the hell does that mean? Man has lived and thrived during the glacial retreat and you say that it is "false" to assume that it is a good thing?
Those are the cutest justifications for believing in CAGW since the "Is Not, you are a Stupid Head" strategy.
The glacial retreat was 10,000 years ago, moron, qualifying as "thousands of years".
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#38477 Aug 26, 2013
kristy wrote:
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Oh lord....can anyone explain why we are only comparing hurricane activity to the last 30 years and not the last 100 years? Are we cherry picking?
No. We are using what we have documented. And research goes back beyond 30 years (but not with wind scale measurement).

i.e. www.ocean.lsu.edu/faculty/liu/liujanuary16.pd...
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#38478 Aug 26, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
<quoted text>
"relatively stable climate"? What the hell does that mean? Man has lived and thrived during the glacial retreat and you say that it is "false" to assume that it is a good thing?
Those are the cutest justifications for believing in CAGW since the "Is Not, you are a Stupid Head" strategy.
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
The glacial retreat was 10,000 years ago, moron, qualifying as "thousands of years".
No explanation as to what your point is so I will assume by your use of the pejorative that you disagree with me when I said that this "thousands of years" (as you put it) of warming is a good thing.

It seems Most CCC Believers think like you.
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#38479 Aug 26, 2013
Catastrophic Climate Change Believers: GW is bad.
The rest of us: Glad the Glaciers are melting.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#38480 Aug 26, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Sorry... guess the joke was beyond you.
No joke. Real scientists construct models for global climate future. ALEC and the likes model the political future.
Mothra

United States

#38482 Aug 26, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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No joke. Real scientists construct models for global climate future. ALEC and the likes model the political future.
Maybe I should have put 'LOL' at the end of my post. Give it up... you're sounding like SpaceBlues parsing words.

OTOH, you're now making an affirmative argument for the IPCC and all related policy makers and their objectives for the "science" of global warming.

So... how about an expose on that, you know, just to 'prove' that they're above reproach?
No Warming

Athens, OH

#38483 Aug 26, 2013
kristy wrote:
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If 2013 turns out to be flat, then we are beyond.
Even if the next 4 months are record breaking warm 2013 will be considered flat.

•The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–July period (year-to-date) was 0.59°C (1.06°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F), tying with 2003 as the sixth warmest such period on record.

As I always say No Warming
No Warming

Athens, OH

#38484 Aug 26, 2013
This is an example of the conditioning of people, if the United Nations control world energy policy and land use policy what next?

From Oz Ritz:

From deforestation, to the mining and burning of fossil fuels on a massive scale and then try and convince us it's still of little or no impact. Pleeeasee !! Even Sarah Palin could grasp that concept.

Sarah Palin probably has a grasp of a few other concepts Oz may not like so well.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#38485 Aug 26, 2013
I should have emphasized:

U.N. control of LAND USE.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38486 Aug 26, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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No. We are using what we have documented. And research goes back beyond 30 years (but not with wind scale measurement).
i.e. www.ocean.lsu.edu/faculty/liu/liujanuary16.pd...
Uhh..NO. Again, why are we doing studies only comparing hurricane activity of today to only the past 30 years? Why not the past 100 years, just like we do with temperatures?

But a new study in the journal Nature found that hurricanes and typhoons have become stronger and longer-lasting over the past 30 years. These upswings correlate with a rise in sea surface temperatures.

The duration and strength of hurricanes have increased by about 50 percent over the last three decades, according to study author Kerry Emanuel, a professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/...
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#38487 Aug 26, 2013
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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"relatively stable climate"? What the hell does that mean? Man has lived and thrived during the glacial retreat and you say that it is "false" to assume that it is a good thing?
Those are the cutest justifications for believing in CAGW since the "Is Not, you are a Stupid Head" strategy.
They are so cute aren't they. Bless their hearts. They like to make up things as if there was no "dirty" weather prior to the industrial age, when everything was so stable like the list of stable events posted on this link:

http://www.c3headlines.com/bad-stuff-happens....

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#38488 Aug 26, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Maybe I should have put 'LOL' at the end of my post. Give it up... you're sounding like SpaceBlues parsing words.
OTOH, you're now making an affirmative argument for the IPCC and all related policy makers and their objectives for the "science" of global warming.
So... how about an expose on that, you know, just to 'prove' that they're above reproach?
O dear, never said anyone was above reproach. But I wonder why you continually try to denegrate the science by not so approachable and questionable sources.
B as in B S as in S

Eden Prairie, MN

#38489 Aug 26, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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No joke. Real scientists construct models for global climate future. ALEC and the likes model the political future.
"Real Scientists" ... I just love that title.
Real Scientists believe it is likely we are all going to burn in a scorching blaze of GW if we do not repent our FF burning ways and make sacrifices.

Real Scientists are confident that Earth is at a 'Tipping Point' and it may be to late to mitigate CC to save our coastal cities.

Real Scientists keep all their Data and Methods secrets so others will not use it... or one must BUY it so one can use it to find a way to SAVE the world from CAGW. yes if Real Scientists do not get paid they cannot go on saving the people of Earth.

GOD BLESS "REAL SCIENTISTS"

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