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There are 60098 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#35592 May 5, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Here's some more doomers for you; these are of a different stripe.
The United States has failed to take action to mitigate climate change thanks in part to the large number of religious Americans who believe the world has a set expiration date.
Research by David C. Barker of the University of Pittsburgh and David H. Bearce of the University of Colorado uncovered that belief in the biblical end-times was a motivating factor behind resistance to curbing climate change.
“[T]he fact that such an overwhelming percentage of Republican citizens profess a belief in the Second Coming (76 percent in 2006, according to our sample) suggests that governmental attempts to curb greenhouse emissions would encounter stiff resistance even if every Democrat in the country wanted to curb them,” Barker and Bearce wrote in their study, which will be published in the June issue of Political Science Quarterly.
The study, based on data from the 2007 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, uncovered that belief in the “Second Coming” of Jesus reduced the probability of strongly supporting government action on climate change by 12 percent when controlling for a number of demographic and cultural factors. When the effects of party affiliation, political ideology, and media distrust were removed from the analysis, the belief in the “Second Coming” increased this effect by almost 20 percent.
“[I]t stands to reason that most nonbelievers would support preserving the Earth for future generations, but that end-times believers would rationally perceive such efforts to be ultimately futile, and hence ill-advised,” Barker and Bearce explained.
Fraud Threatens the Integrity of Social Psychology"

After it was found that Kiederik Stapel was a fraud, three panels did further investigations and found this:

“Not infrequently reviews were strongly in favour of telling an interesting, elegant, concise and compelling story, possibly at the expense of the necessary scientific diligence.”

“A ‘byproduct’ of the Committees’ inquiries is the conclusion that, far more than was originally assumed, there are certain aspects of the discipline itself that should be deemed undesirable or even incorrect from the perspective of academic standards and scientific integrity.”

Last year the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science had a special issue on the field’s crisis of confidence. Its focus was the key issue of replicability. John P.A. Ioannidis, of Stanford University, points out that the authority of science depends upon its ability to self-correct errors. But as the Levelt report revealed, reproducing the results of other researchers is uncommon. Researchers are far more interested in startling new results because these will attract more funding. It is the curse of “neophilia”.“The self-correcting paradigm… seems to be very uncommon,” Ioannidis writes.

“I see a train wreck looming,” wrote Nobel laureate Daniel Kahneman, a psychologist, in an open email to colleagues who work in social priming, one of Stapel’s areas:“your field is now the poster child for doubts about the integrity of psychological research”.

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/frau...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#35593 May 5, 2013
kristy wrote:
So what will be the alternate investment? San Francisco is hardly in a place to make rash decisions based on ideology. They made a commitment to the retirees of their city and they have already created a giant mess to where they are "stealing" from the general fund to pay the pension fund. Do they have a plan or are they just being reactionary without a plan? Could you post what the alternate investing will be?
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/02/p...
I'm just wondering who the "losers" will really turn out to be.
The market is at a peak; now might be a good time to sell but not necessarily the best time to buy.

I love it when trust fund liberals start divesting; they drive down prices.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#35594 May 5, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you've gotten lost. That happens a lot to stupid people, from what I understand.
I haven't gotten lost. We keep hearing that "extreme" weather is proof of AGW, so an ice age would be the ultimate extreme as we are being told now that increase cold is a sign of AGW.

But what I find interesting is what public officials tell the public versus what they say behind closed doors.

Julia Slingo of the Met office recently publicly stated this:

"The reduction in Arctic sea ice caused by climate change is playing a role in the UK's recent colder and drier winter weather, according to the Met Office. Speaking to MPs on the influential environmental audit committee about the state of the warming Arctic, Julia Slingo, the chief scientist at the Met Office, said that decreasing amounts of ice in the far north was contributing to colder winters in the UK and northern Europe as well as to drought. But she stressed that while it was one factor and not the "dominant driver" in the UK."

But emails obtained through FOIA reveal this was said:

It has been suggested that the decline of Arctic Sea Ice may drive low pressure over the UK, although this remains very uncertain at present. If low levels of Arctic sea ice were found to be affecting the track of the jet stream, for example, this could be seen as linked to the warming of our climate – but this is currently an unknown. The Met Office Hadley Centre, working with climate research centres around the world, is making strides in determining how the odds of extreme weather happening have been influenced by climate change. However, it is very difficult to do this type of analysis with such highly variable rainfall events, so it may take many years before we could confirm how the odds of this summer’s wet weather happening have been altered by greenhouse gases."

So without any scientific evidence, publicly, these officials state that the Arctic melt is causing the cold "extremes."
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35595 May 5, 2013
Here's some more doomers, meme69ing yourself:

(Wal-Mart) is throwing its full economic muscle behind energy sustainability. Local utilities that don’t get on board with Walmart’s green energy programs could be left behind like an old, worn-out shopping center.

The company’s new energy policy, announced this week at its Global Sustainability Milestone Meeting, calls for Walmart to produce or procure 7 billion kilowatt-hours of renewable energy globally by the end of the decade, a 600 percent increase over 2010 levels.

At the same time, the retailer will make deep cuts to its energy consumption by shaving 20 percent from 2010 levels the amount of electricity required to power a square foot of a Walmart store or warehouse.

The new commitments put much sharper teeth into Walmart’s existing clean energy program, which calls for the retailer to become 100 percent powered by renewable energy by midcentury.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35596 May 5, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
If the weather is hot, that proves global warming (last March, "This is what GW looks like"). If the weather is cold, that also proves global warming,(this April/May is what global warming looks like), because global warming creates more extremes. An ice age would therefore be the ultimate proof of global warming.
Thanks kristy,

Worth reposting:

"If the weather is hot, that proves global warming (last March, "This is what GW looks like"). If the weather is cold, that also proves global warming,(this April/May is what global warming looks like), because global warming creates more extremes. An ice age would therefore be the ultimate proof of global warming"

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35597 May 5, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks kristy,
Worth reposting:
"If the weather is hot, that proves global warming (last March, "This is what GW looks like"). If the weather is cold, that also proves global warming,(this April/May is what global warming looks like), because global warming creates more extremes. An ice age would therefore be the ultimate proof of global warming"
Unfortunately no matter how many posts explaining GW is all about the weather it still doesn't register. So when its referred to as climate change it still doesn't register. But weather to every country's food bowl has to have some predictability to it otherwise those food bowls would not be where they are. In a normal weather cycle a farmer might expect a drought once every 10 years or abnormal weather events coming around in that same period. They plough, sow and wait for the rains to come. If that happens for the most part 8 yrs out of 10 then they can make an income. But what happens when its 8 yrs of drought and 2 yrs of rain or vice versa. This is what is going on all over the planet now at different levels of scale which makes it harder for farmers to stay in business. That is climate change and what we do contributes to it. You can't have millions of years of carbon locked into the planet and release it all in a couple of hundred years and expect it to have no effect. Especially when you keep reducing the mechanisms as well to keep it locked. But that is what you guys keep repeating over n over. Its complete irrational logic!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35598 May 5, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks kristy,
Worth reposting:
"If the weather is hot, that proves global warming (last March, "This is what GW looks like"). If the weather is cold, that also proves global warming,(this April/May is what global warming looks like), because global warming creates more extremes. An ice age would therefore be the ultimate proof of global warming"
Now, you're both lost.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#35599 May 5, 2013
it rained this weekend....now a cold front has rolled in during the month MAY! further evidence that global warming is taking hold, and it's our fault.
right?!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35600 May 5, 2013
You might also want to look at the Wikipedia feature on climate change and agriculture. For instance one example like Pakistan might lose 50% of its cropping. I guess you guys would welcome these climate refugees with open arms considering they could not produce the food to feed themselves. It goes a lot further than just the weather.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_a...

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#35601 May 5, 2013
it would appear that the islamofascists chickens have come home to roost.
maybe allah will change things for them.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35602 May 5, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
it would appear that the islamofascists chickens have come home to roost.
maybe allah will change things for them.
Allah will cut off your head.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#35603 May 5, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Allah will cut off your head.
i keep and bear arms....and the draw with my glock is much faster than allah's sword.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#35604 May 5, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The market is at a peak; now might be a good time to sell but not necessarily the best time to buy.
I love it when trust fund liberals start divesting; they drive down prices.
It's funny how they will pick and choose the villain. Will they also divest from any technology or company that operates in countries who violate human rights, such as Apple?
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#35605 May 5, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately no matter how many posts explaining GW is all about the weather it still doesn't register. So when its referred to as climate change it still doesn't register. But weather to every country's food bowl has to have some predictability to it otherwise those food bowls would not be where they are. In a normal weather cycle a farmer might expect a drought once every 10 years or abnormal weather events coming around in that same period. They plough, sow and wait for the rains to come. If that happens for the most part 8 yrs out of 10 then they can make an income. But what happens when its 8 yrs of drought and 2 yrs of rain or vice versa. This is what is going on all over the planet now at different levels of scale which makes it harder for farmers to stay in business. That is climate change and what we do contributes to it. You can't have millions of years of carbon locked into the planet and release it all in a couple of hundred years and expect it to have no effect. Especially when you keep reducing the mechanisms as well to keep it locked. But that is what you guys keep repeating over n over. Its complete irrational logic!
This is so vague. We are not having any more droughts than usual.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#35606 May 5, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
You might also want to look at the Wikipedia feature on climate change and agriculture. For instance one example like Pakistan might lose 50% of its cropping. I guess you guys would welcome these climate refugees with open arms considering they could not produce the food to feed themselves. It goes a lot further than just the weather.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_a...
Seriously...Droughts are common in Pakistan and Pakistan has a long history of drought events: The Punjab province experienced the worst drought in 1899, 1920 and 1935. The North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) experienced the worst droughts in 1902 and 1951, while Sindh Province had its worst droughts in 1871, 1881, 1899, 1931, 1947 and 1998. The recent drought (1997-2001) was the longest dry spell in the past 50 years. So that means there was as an "extreme" drought 50 years ago.

I find it amazing that you complain constantly about people starving or dying from climate change, but our government has implemented a policy to "combat" climate change that actually starves people today and doesn't do squat to lower emissions. But yet you don't seem to have a problem with ethanol...you know all that corn being burned up in our cars and all the land that was used for wheat, soybeans, etc. now being used for corn to burn up in our cars. Are you also one of those people who agree with not allowing Ethiopians to build a hydroelectric dam and instead just give out cooking stoves?

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35607 May 5, 2013
kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously...Droughts are common in Pakistan and Pakistan has a long history of drought events: The Punjab province experienced the worst drought in 1899, 1920 and 1935. The North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) experienced the worst droughts in 1902 and 1951, while Sindh Province had its worst droughts in 1871, 1881, 1899, 1931, 1947 and 1998. The recent drought (1997-2001) was the longest dry spell in the past 50 years. So that means there was as an "extreme" drought 50 years ago.
I find it amazing that you complain constantly about people starving or dying from climate change, but our government has implemented a policy to "combat" climate change that actually starves people today and doesn't do squat to lower emissions. But yet you don't seem to have a problem with ethanol...you know all that corn being burned up in our cars and all the land that was used for wheat, soybeans, etc. now being used for corn to burn up in our cars. Are you also one of those people who agree with not allowing Ethiopians to build a hydroelectric dam and instead just give out cooking stoves?
We are at the pointy end of the stick now, all we can do is try arrest any more damage. Sure places like Bangladesh either suffer from flood or famine but it becomes more frequent when weather patterns change course. It really is a stupid argument to say why should developed countries (the West) keep curbing emissions while developing countries take up the slack and add to it. You have to start somewhere otherwise its all like lemmings over the cliff.
If they had the spine, then you could hit imports with a duty for a product that has carbon loading. Or you could wait until China and India are all producing clean energy then do it. Which would obviously be too late. Thats the whole point, globalisation shifted a whole bunch of what was once clean manufacturing in the West to make it dirty in the East. Profit was the driving force not the environment. So the West cleaning up its act by throwing dirty over the fence did not do a damn thing. Business will not do this on their own, they have to be pushed or see a marketing opportunity in it. That is the only way to get change.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35608 May 5, 2013
twisty kristy wrote:
<quoted text>
I haven't gotten lost. We keep hearing that "extreme" weather is proof of AGW, so an ice age would be the ultimate extreme as we are being told now that increase cold is a sign of AGW.
But what I find interesting is what public officials tell the public versus what they say behind closed doors.
Julia Slingo of the Met office recently publicly stated this:
"The reduction in Arctic sea ice caused by climate change is playing a role in the UK's recent colder and drier winter weather, according to the Met Office. Speaking to MPs on the influential environmental audit committee about the state of the warming Arctic, Julia Slingo, the chief scientist at the Met Office, said that decreasing amounts of ice in the far north was contributing to colder winters in the UK and northern Europe as well as to drought. But she stressed that while it was one factor and not the "dominant driver" in the UK."
But emails obtained through FOIA reveal this was said:
It has been suggested that the decline of Arctic Sea Ice may drive low pressure over the UK, although this remains very uncertain at present. If low levels of Arctic sea ice were found to be affecting the track of the jet stream, for example, this could be seen as linked to the warming of our climate – but this is currently an unknown. The Met Office Hadley Centre, working with climate research centres around the world, is making strides in determining how the odds of extreme weather happening have been influenced by climate change. However, it is very difficult to do this type of analysis with such highly variable rainfall events, so it may take many years before we could confirm how the odds of this summer’s wet weather happening have been altered by greenhouse gases."
So without any scientific evidence, publicly, these officials state that the Arctic melt is causing the cold "extremes."
You are comparing statements about a one summer period- where there is certainly some evidence that AGW had an influence- to a period of several years- where there is very strong evidence of a trend influenced by AGW.
Whether through stupidity or mendacity, you again live up to the name "twisty kristy".
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#35609 May 6, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
We are at the pointy end of the stick now, all we can do is try arrest any more damage. Sure places like Bangladesh either suffer from flood or famine but it becomes more frequent when weather patterns change course. It really is a stupid argument to say why should developed countries (the West) keep curbing emissions while developing countries take up the slack and add to it. You have to start somewhere otherwise its all like lemmings over the cliff.
If they had the spine, then you could hit imports with a duty for a product that has carbon loading. Or you could wait until China and India are all producing clean energy then do it. Which would obviously be too late. Thats the whole point, globalisation shifted a whole bunch of what was once clean manufacturing in the West to make it dirty in the East. Profit was the driving force not the environment. So the West cleaning up its act by throwing dirty over the fence did not do a damn thing. Business will not do this on their own, they have to be pushed or see a marketing opportunity in it. That is the only way to get change.
Why do you want people to starve? We have implemented a policy to combat climate change that does nothing to lower emissions and at the same time decreases the food supply and our ability to help those that are starving today. You asked if we would accept starving Pakistan refugees but our climate change policies have left us with a decreased food supply. Instead of us helping by sending wheat, oats etc, we are growing food to burn in our cars. At the same time, activists are trying to stop clean energy in Africa, which would help lift the poor out of poverty and instead we are sending cooking stoves which actually contribute to emissions. Now tell me how this helps those who you claim will be affected by climate change. It seems your only answer is just to raise the prices of all goods,making it even more difficult for those starving today.
litesong

Mountlake Terrace, WA

#35610 May 6, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Allah will cut off your head.
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'middleofthedownwronggully' gushed:
i keep and bear arms....and the draw with my glock is much faster than allah's sword.
//////////
litesong wrote:
What if allah uses a piece of aluminum siding or roofing material, driven by a spiraling 300mph tornado. You should stay away from Tornado Alley.
kristy

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#35611 May 6, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
You are comparing statements about a one summer period- where there is certainly some evidence that AGW had an influence- to a period of several years- where there is very strong evidence of a trend influenced by AGW.
Whether through stupidity or mendacity, you again live up to the name "twisty kristy".
No, what I’m saying is that we are told that we will have more “extreme” weather events due to AGW. That is what is told to the public. But yet behind closed doors, the scientists admit that THEY DON’T KNOW. Every one of you on here has said that the UK has experienced “extreme” cold because of the Arctic ice melt, but what was said behind closed doors and what they tell each other it is UNKNOWN if the Arctic sea ice is affecting the jet stream.

The Met office in emails obtained through FOIA also said this about recent droughts in the UK:

"Neither the development nor the severity of the 2010/12 drought was exceptional compared with historical events, and its climatological drivers have several similarities with past droughts. There is therefore, as yet, no evidence that it was due to climate change and not part of the natural variability of the climate."

But yet that does not stop these scientists from publically stating that these “extreme” events are due to climate change and then you have people like OzRitz claiming that droughts are happening at a greater frequency because of AGW. So you call me twisty, but I'm not the one saying one thing behind closed doors and then publicly stating something else. That's twisted.

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