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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35306 Apr 23, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
Get up to date and stop this needless panic.
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians.
Science only agrees it “could” be not “will” be a crisis.
Not one single IPCC warning isn’t swimming in “maybes” and not one single scientist anywhere has ever said a CO2 crisis is as inevitable or eventual like the same scientists like to say comet hits are, only
“possibly” and “potentially” and “likely” and…. Deny that!
A climate crisis is the worst emergency imaginable and needs certainty not “maybe”. And if you think a little tiny catastrophic crisis is even possible, nothing will change your mind doomer.
If “maybe” is good enough for you to condemn your own children to your exaggerated greenhouse gas ovens……………you are no planet lover, you just hate humanity.
28 years of “maybe” is 100% proof that CO2 “won’t” be acrisis.
There is a 95% probability that it will be a crisis.

There is very small chance that your house will catch fire and burn down, destroying all your possessions and maybe the lives of your children. You still carry fire insurance, don't you? Because the probability is so small, do you lobby to get rid of the fire department because it's a waste of taxpayer money?

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35307 Apr 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Tell that to the energy boom towns and Wall Street. Look at the citations, the CO2 emission limits aren't real.
Green energy doesn't work, fossil fuel does. CO2 doesn't cause die off, acid rain does.
What's "not real" is the stupidity of someone who doesn't know that acid rain is the product of the burning of fossil fuel...LOL

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35308 Apr 23, 2013
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually contrarian Tim Ball was instrumental in starting the denier site. He has lost creditability in the science community so has to resort to such tactics to get his distorted viewpoints out.
And shortly to lose his shirt to Michael Mann in a libel case of course.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35309 Apr 23, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
What's "not real" is the stupidity of someone who doesn't know that acid rain is the product of the burning of fossil fuel...LOL
I get a chuckle out of someone who doesn't know CO2 from H2SO4.

There's an oil and gas boom, supply is increasing. Obviously, carbon bubble economics and peak oil only exist in the minds of the people.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35310 Apr 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I get a chuckle out of someone who doesn't know CO2 from H2SO4.
There's an oil and gas boom, supply is increasing. Obviously, carbon bubble economics and peak oil only exist in the minds of the people.
This is what you said, dickweed:

"Green energy doesn't work, fossil fuel does. CO2 doesn't cause die off, acid rain does."

BURNING THE FOSSIL FUEL KNOWN AS COAL CAUSES ACID RAIN, Brainless. That is what's known as a "scientific fact," you pathetic MORON.

You just CONDEMNED the very fossil fuels you so cheerily worship by ADMITTING they cause acid rain.

That makes you a FOOL. Now admit it and sit the hell down and shut up.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35311 Apr 23, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
Get up to date and stop this needless panic.
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians.
Science only agrees it “could” be not “will” be a crisis.
Not one single IPCC warning isn’t swimming in “maybes” and not one single scientist anywhere has ever said a CO2 crisis is as inevitable or eventual like the same scientists like to say comet hits are, only
“possibly” and “potentially” and “likely” and…. Deny that!
A climate crisis is the worst emergency imaginable and needs certainty not “maybe”. And if you think a little tiny catastrophic crisis is even possible, nothing will change your mind doomer.
If “maybe” is good enough for you to condemn your own children to your exaggerated greenhouse gas ovens……………you are no planet lover, you just hate humanity.
28 years of “maybe” is 100% proof that CO2 “won’t” be acrisis.
I think your lucky that the other planet catastrophe happened around the time of the dinosaurs otherwise you might be sharing the highway with a T-Rex. That's pretty big road kill!

What you deniers keep doing is trying the emphasise the "maybes" when there are NO maybes, global warming is here right now.
This BS of trying to introduce doubt because science can't tell you it will be a clear and sunny day in Dallas in April in 2015 as a reason to dismiss every fact that is thrown at you. Because just by coincidence most deniers believe in God yet have no proof of that either! Just a bunch of stories passed on through the ages and no scientific proof.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#35312 Apr 23, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
And shortly to lose his shirt to Michael Mann in a libel case of course.
Of course.

Justice is too slow.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#35314 Apr 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I get a chuckle out of someone who doesn't know CO2 from H2SO4.
There's an oil and gas boom, supply is increasing. Obviously, carbon bubble economics and peak oil only exist in the minds of the people.
The new supply is even dirtier than the old supply.
But the verbal supply from lyin brian is always a lie.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#35315 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
This is what you said, dickweed: "Green energy doesn't work, fossil fuel does. CO2 doesn't cause die off, acid rain does." BURNING THE FOSSIL FUEL KNOWN AS COAL CAUSES ACID RAIN, Brainless. That is what's known as a "scientific fact," you pathetic MORON.
Burning all coal doesn't cause acid rain; burning high sulfur coal or high sulfur fuel oil causes acid rain. CO2 isn't acid rain.

.
tha Professor wrote:
You just CONDEMNED the very fossil fuels you so cheerily worship by ADMITTING they cause acid rain.
Low sulfur coal, low sulfur oil and natural gas don't cause acid rain; I just embraced three fossil fuels.

.
tha Professor wrote:
That makes you a FOOL. Now admit it and sit the hell down and shut up.
^^^See how they like to bully and insult?

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35316 Apr 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Burning all coal doesn't cause acid rain; burning high sulfur coal or high sulfur fuel oil causes acid rain. CO2 isn't acid rain.
....EDITED....
Oh, shut up and stop waffling. I busted you, at least have the honesty to admit it, troll.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35317 Apr 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Burning all coal doesn't cause acid rain; burning high sulfur coal or high sulfur fuel oil causes acid rain. CO2 isn't acid rain.
..EDITED....
This is whiny boy's idea of an "answer," notice.

"Burning ALL coal..."

..nowhere did I specify any type of coal, just that burning coal has been linked to acid rain. I know of no type of coal that, burned without scrubbing technology, does NOT put S02 in the atmosphere and thereby cause acid rain, either, which appears to make Brain a LIAR.

"C02 isn't acid rain..."

No one said it was, of course, but Brian. Naturally he's trying to conflate the two in order to excuse his gross error. But burning coal...ALL kinds of coal....does indeed put more C02 into the atmosphere than any other kind of fuel.

Why would anyone do anything but laugh at Brian's silly posturing and trolling?:)
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#35318 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>To B_gone:
Oh, shut up and stop waffling. I busted you, at least have the honesty to admit it, troll.
LOL. Lyin' Brian?

Gosh it even lies about fossil fuels. Everybody knows that all fossil fuels, coal, oil, natural gas, all of them contain sulfur.

Who's going to teach it sulfur chemistry?

http://www.umac.org/ocp/HowisAcidRainFormed/i...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#35319 Apr 24, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Is that you, Teener?
Maybe she's on vacation from the east coast to Kansas.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35320 Apr 24, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. Lyin' Brian?
Gosh it even lies about fossil fuels. Everybody knows that all fossil fuels, coal, oil, natural gas, all of them contain sulfur.
Who's going to teach it sulfur chemistry?
http://www.umac.org/ocp/HowisAcidRainFormed/i...
Who indeed? Even with scrubber technology, pollutants including S02 are still emitted.
COAL IS KING

Murray, KY

#35321 Apr 24, 2013
I don't deny that more CO2 in the atomosphere will cause the earth's climate to get warmer. That is basic science. I don't deny that burning coal is increasing the amount of CO2. That is common sense. I do question the idea that global warming is bad. It only stands to reason that a warmer world will be able to grow more food because all that frozen land in the far north will become fertile farmland.
COAL IS KING

Murray, KY

#35322 Apr 24, 2013
Check out this story in the March 1912 edition of Popular Mechanics magazine.

http://books.google.com/books...

They knew about the relationship between coal, increased CO2, and global warming 101 years ago, but they recognized its benefits.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#35323 Apr 24, 2013
COAL IS KING wrote:
I don't deny that more CO2 in the atomosphere will cause the earth's climate to get warmer. That is basic science. I don't deny that burning coal is increasing the amount of CO2. That is common sense. I do question the idea that global warming is bad. It only stands to reason that a warmer world will be able to grow more food because all that frozen land in the far north will become fertile farmland.
A couple of problems....warming changes weather patterns, which may leave previously fertile areas colder or in drought status while opening up other areas which weren't open to agriculture. This could be an even trade, but will disrupt societies and politics.

Second, and much more significant, it WILL leave world sea levels higher, possibly MUCH higher depending on how warm it gets. Several feet would flood all low-lying coastal areas leading, again, to massive social and political disruptions.

And there's the distant possibility that RUNAWAY warming could make the Earth uninhabitable, the 'Venus effect.'

Not sure this is something we want to gamble with...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#35324 Apr 24, 2013
COAL IS KING wrote:
Check out this story in the March 1912 edition of Popular Mechanics magazine.
http://books.google.com/books...
They knew about the relationship between coal, increased CO2, and global warming 101 years ago, but they recognized its benefits[sic].
And they were wrong.
COAL IS KING

Murray, KY

#35325 Apr 24, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>And they were wrong.
And just how were they wrong? Specifics, please.
COAL IS KING

Murray, KY

#35327 Apr 24, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of problems....warming changes weather patterns, which may leave previously fertile areas colder or in drought status while opening up other areas which weren't open to agriculture. This could be an even trade, but will disrupt societies and politics.
Second, and much more significant, it WILL leave world sea levels higher, possibly MUCH higher depending on how warm it gets. Several feet would flood all low-lying coastal areas leading, again, to massive social and political disruptions.
And there's the distant possibility that RUNAWAY warming could make the Earth uninhabitable, the 'Venus effect.'
Not sure this is something we want to gamble with...
Granted there will be tradeoffs, but overall I think the U.S., Europe, and Russia will benefit.

I don't care about the "massive social and political disruptions" in the cesspools of the world. They do a good enough job of that as it is. Climate change won't change that fact much if any, it will just give them an excuse to blame us with the inherent inferiority of their social systems.

Flooding will not be that big a problem for us. Sure, the beaches might go under, but even if all the ice melted (not likely) we wouldn't have "Water World" because there's not enough water locked up in ice to do that. There's only enough to raise sea levels about 200 feet or so. Realistic projections are only saying climate change could raise sea levels 20 feet.

A "Venus effect" is something out of science fiction.

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