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Sammie42
Arnold, MO
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I Like The "accountability" Idea.....where do I sign? I'm a single mom who as you know from my previous post is kinda on both sides here....actually i think I'm more on the Dads side as long as he does what he's suppose to. My whole goal when establishing child support for my son was to be fair. I didnt want to put my ex in a position where he was always worried about money and making ends meet. I want him to be happy so he can be a great parent to our son. That means more than any amount of money he could ever send.
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Aconcernedcitize n
Lees Summit, MO
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If you don't pay a parking ticket/speeding ticket .... your license is suspended. I would agree that the expense of child support is not easy to swallow. Judges with heads up their collective a## make decisions on people's lives, weilding their power and authority just because they can without too much care or concern for the result.
Tighten enforcement Increase numbers of parents who split equally the expenses (expenses identified and costs paid by each parent into an expense account) Do a better job of splitting the custody For fathers willing to share the responsibility - give them the option of less support for actually participating and paying for various events/activities etc.
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MrObvious
Irving, TX
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Just Mom wrote: Hold on a minute...I am a mother too. Why should a non-custodial parent continue to pay for a child who is 18, and no longer a minor??? Why should a non-custodial parent be forced to pay child support when the non minor attends college. Why can't the child get a job, get a student loan, get a grant, just like anyone else??? I have a child who's parent passed away when she was 18 months old, do you think social security is going to pay when she goes to college, NO. Social Security stops at age 18..period. She will have to get loans, a job, whatever it takes for her to attend college. When you are 18 or graduate from high school, you are an adult...they need to take on the resposiblities of an adult, and make their own way. I had to make my own way. Who says that parents that are still married will pay for their children to go to college? LISTENING TO YOU GO ON AND ON NO WONDER THE OLD MAN DRANK HIMSELF TO DEATH....GEE WIZ LADY!
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Dimples
Kansas City, MO
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It would of just been easier raising my child if I would of received child support like I was supposed to. I guess life goes on it's not the end of the world.They are the one's that have to live with it !
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Danny
Johnstown, CO
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Dont get me started on this, you all dont have enough time to read it & I havent got enough time left in my life to write it!
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custodialdadowes 20000
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I hate to interupt the back and forth and I am not trying to insult JustMom in any way by correcting her statement. But I just have a small correction for your consideration. JustMom stated "Parents that are divorced should not be MADE to continue paying child support once a child graduates from high school. Parents who are not divorced are not legally forced to pay for their children once they have graduated." I am not divorced. I am still married to this whore and am over $22,000 behind in child support. I have custody of one of the two children and I am unemployed. When I tried to divorce the woman the judge threw my case out and dismissed it just so she could further pigeon hole me. Her reasoning was that I had to enjoin the two babby-daddies to my divorce that sired three children with my wife....inside our marriage! Both babby daddies signed notarized papers in the hospital claiming paternity so I got to call the judge out on her b.s.! I just have to ask you people a question. If the lying cheating whore who would prefer to be referred to as "the mother" want's to bend me over backwards and rape me with the system, shouldn't she at least be forced to divorce me first?
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hmmmm
Montrose, MI
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reality wrote: <quoted text>I said the same in topix about accountibilty wishwe could get some signatures to take to rep. and get some laws passed Write to Senator Purgason, he is well aware of this issue!!
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hmmmm
Montrose, MI
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Sammie42 wrote: I Like The "accountability" Idea.....where do I sign? I'm a single mom who as you know from my previous post is kinda on both sides here....actually i think I'm more on the Dads side as long as he does what he's suppose to. My whole goal when establishing child support for my son was to be fair. I didnt want to put my ex in a position where he was always worried about money and making ends meet. I want him to be happy so he can be a great parent to our son. That means more than any amount of money he could ever send. Wow! You are rare. Wish more women felt that way!
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Abused Fathers
Overland Park, KS
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My ex dragged me into court last year for child support and I was threatened with JAIL, only one kinda big problem, my daughter is 28 years old , married, and has three children........ Not too hard to fight but expensive for lawyers. Child support is the ONLY "crime" thats not a crime, you don't have the rights of a murderer or a molester. No, if you owe child support, they take away ALL your constitutional rights it is 100% "guilty until proven innocent" No right to an attorney, no right to a trial, no burden of proof on the state. They can jail you and keep you there as long as they want without a trial you have no rights at all. They want to call me a "deadbeat" yet, I have worked all my life, I had another son whom I raised on my own, without a dime of help from anyone, nor a single food stamp, nor a section 8 apartment, nope I paid for my own kid... As to my ex well she went on vacation when we split up and didn't work a day for nearly 20 years. "I can't be expected to work, I have a kid" So free housing and food and a paycheck were provided to her so she could sit and be a parasite... And I am called a deadbeat...
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Tracy
Vassar, KS
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Kansas makes sure they enforce it only if both parents live in Kansas because they are afraid custodial parent might need assistance from the state, and if the custodial parent is in a different state they dont persue it because it wont affect them if the parent needs help. Sad but true. Charity wrote: <quoted text> I would love to know who you are receiving help from in the State of Kansas, my ex-husband lives in Kansas he is currently $34,000.00 behind I have contacted the State of Kansas, the Interstate Child Support Division and the Governor herself and have been informed that Kansas considers my ex in compliance with his child support as long as a payment of any amount is made within any given 90 day period. My attorney thought I was crazy telling him I was getting no place with the great State of Kansas and was shocked when he was informed the same. My ex-husband lives in Kansas, has a drivers license, owns his own business with trucks, mowers and to much other business equipment to mention, has bought and sold property at a profit, has a $40k boat, lives the high life while my children are considered lucky by State of Kansas to get his bread crumbs hey he drops a hundred or so here or there so Kansas laws says he can continue to work, drive, live, have a great life at no threat of losing it how does this make any sense. My current husband and I live in Missouri a few years ago he got down on his child support by 1.5 MONTHS and was summound to court in order to keep his license yet my ex is over $32k behind and Kansas can't do anything they enforce Kansas laws even though the order is out of Missouri the laws of Missouri can not be applied only KS laws which are nothing short of a joke, try paying what ever you want on your house payment every ninety days and see how long you get to keep your home yet Kansas considers any payment of any amount in a 90 day period acceptable for the care of children are you serious?
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JulM
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You should have lived in Missouri. They are ruthless here. I am a non-custodial wife that lost her job for a year due to corp down sizing and my husband's attorney took advantage that I no longer had an income to hire a decent attorney.(yet my ex-husband makes 75k per year) I got a job making half of what I was and was ordered to pay my ex half my salary!!!! I live on 15k per year. Were is the justice. Judge Elizebeth Wann is a criminal with a gavel (St. Charles County is rediculous!!!)
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hmmmm
Montrose, MI
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Abused Fathers wrote: My ex dragged me into court last year for child support and I was threatened with JAIL, only one kinda big problem, my daughter is 28 years old , married, and has three children........ Not too hard to fight but expensive for lawyers. Child support is the ONLY "crime" thats not a crime, you don't have the rights of a murderer or a molester. No, if you owe child support, they take away ALL your constitutional rights it is 100% "guilty until proven innocent" No right to an attorney, no right to a trial, no burden of proof on the state. They can jail you and keep you there as long as they want without a trial you have no rights at all. They want to call me a "deadbeat" yet, I have worked all my life, I had another son whom I raised on my own, without a dime of help from anyone, nor a single food stamp, nor a section 8 apartment, nope I paid for my own kid... As to my ex well she went on vacation when we split up and didn't work a day for nearly 20 years. "I can't be expected to work, I have a kid" So free housing and food and a paycheck were provided to her so she could sit and be a parasite... And I am called a deadbeat... Sad, but true!!! It pisses me off that nothing is done about this crap.. pardon the language.
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custodialdadowes 20000
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"I got a job making half of what I was and was ordered to pay my ex half my salary!!!! I live on 15k per year. Were is the justice. Judge Elizebeth Wann is a criminal with a gavel (St. Charles County is rediculous!!!)"
The judge that threw out my divorce was magistrate Victoria Mullen McKee. Since my lawyer Gina Tocco started calling me names and attacking my character to the judge in open court I quickly figured out that my attorney from the firm of Tocco Connely and associates WAS IN THE JUDGES POCKET!
Not only are the family court judges crooked, the defense lawyers are as well!
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Young Lady
Columbia, MO
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I feel that unless there is a legal agreement child support should be allotted until the child finishes college, or if they don't go to college...18. I don't feel that the parent who recieves the child support should be able to spend it frivilously. If the system really want to be proactive and nosey about what the money goes to, put money in an account and issue a debit card for the funds. And require the parent to prove with documentation what the money is going for. Clothes, food, utilities, needed supplies for the child. I feel that if you get someone pregnant you should support the child. I disagree with financially raping the man/woman that has to pay child support. I also feel that if you don't work and haven't worked you shouldn't recieve foodstamps, housing assistance, or any help that I pay taxes for. Now there are extreme cases why someone can't work..the exception for recieving help. But if you're nothing but a baby's mama and you have babies for a government paycheck they need to cut your assistance because having sex isn't a job. If you're a man who gets people pregnant for the fun of it, they deserve to take your money. But sex and sexual responsibility is a 2 person thing.
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JulM
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Yes, I understand about the issue that if you conceive a child you should be responsible financially however, some judges and attorneys conduct thes court proceedings similar to the SALAM WITCH TRIALS..I am a hard working mother who happened to be caught up in the recession and because I lost my job after 10 years of dedication and service, my attorney dumped me right in the middle of the divorce!!!! Something should be done about the scandal!! Many judges and attorneys are a joke to say the least... Where are our state reps when you need them?? Judge Elizabeth Swann, Michelle Hammom, and Steven Hillerman are the most appauling individuals in the state of Missouri. God help them!!!
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custodialdadowes 20000
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"I feel that if you get someone pregnant you should support the child. I disagree with financially raping the man/woman that has to pay child support. I also feel that if you don't work and haven't worked you shouldn't recieve foodstamps, housing assistance, or any help that I pay taxes for. Now there are extreme cases why someone can't work..the exception for recieving help."
What about my situation? Mom neglected and abused my kids and had three more with two more men. Then dumped my youngest off on my door step. I was garnished down to $1 an hour. DFS said I could support my child on $1 an hour. I have now been on assistance for over three years. A DFS agent gave me the advice of quitting my job to draw benefits!
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SASSYGIRL
Kansas City, MO
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What I don"t understand is now the STATE puts child support on a debit card and when you get your money off the card you are charged 2-4 dollars to get your own money (child support)another way for the state to get your money !!!!
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momoftwo617
Minneapolis, MN
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[QUOTE who="2642nurse2642] Now we have a bunch of butthole politicians telling us when to cut the strings for supporting our children? It's astounding especially since most of you paying support had to be ordered to do so in the first place. How about in the next life you opt to wear a condom or perhaps two to prevent yourselves from obtaining the "parent" sticker. What a sad waste, and we wonder why this Earth and our children are going to hell in a handbasket.[/QUOTE]
I am a well educated mom who pays child support only because my ex makes half of what I make. We share custody of our two beautiful children and cooperate fully in getting them what they need emotionally, physically, intellectually and financially.
I paid for my own education and got more out of it than the people I knew whose parents paid for their education. The point here is not that we parents who pay support necessarily want to "cut off our kids" the moment they're out of the home, but rather that we don't think it's reasoable for the state to tell us we have to support our kids while they're in college when it doesn't tell married parents the same thing. You completely missed that point.
You sound completely ignorant when you tell me that just because I don't want to pay child support to my ex after my children go off to college that I shouldn't have had them in the first place. I am a wonderful mom and am saving a decent amount of money for my children for college. I will continue to support them in the way I see fit after they become legal adults -- the state shouldn't be allowed to decide that for me.
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Mizzou Mom
Halltown, MO
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My husband paid child support for one child when he was divorced in 1990. After a few years, it was changed so he paid the court directly, instead of his ex. When his son quit college, the ex didn't notify us, the son did. She actually collected child support when the child was in the military, and my husband had to request thru the court that child support terminate. The ex never notified MO CSE that he had paid her directly for the first 3 years, so MO CSE sent us a letter stating he owed over $20K. Luckily for my husband, his second wife is brilliant (that would be me), and had saved the cancelled checks from 1990 - 1993 (when he paid his ex directly. My mother-in-law had saved the checks from before we married and had given them to me years ago. She was also brilliant. She knew the ex well, and told me to save everything!) At our administrative child support hearing, the ex actually said, "he paid me very little child support during the first few years after we divorced". When I slapped the original checks down on the attorneys desk, he stopped and turned them over. His eyes got big, and you could tell by the look on his face that he was not happy. He told the ex (she was on speaker phone) that he was holding the original cancelled checks, not copies, from 1990 - 1993. She got quiet, then said,'oh, I have records of those'. That's it. That's what she said. And, she didn't even SOUND remorseful. Needless to say, WE WON. Not only did we win, but in his decision, the attorney wrote, "the testimony of the father was credible........the testimony of the mother was found to be NOT credible". It wasn't just based on that, it was several other things, too. We also requested and received an audio CD recording of the sworn testimony, so we have proof of her stupid comments, such as "well, obviously they were much more prepared than I was. I thought it was an open and shut case." It was a hearing, where BOTH sides are allowed to present evidence. What did she think we were doing there? She was absolutely physically and financially capable of driving to Jefferson City for the hearing. She ended up looking like an idiot, and even the CSE technician, who was also on speakerphone, was very quiet after the cancelled checks were entered into evidence, and her demeanor changed alot. Not all ex-husbands or non-custodial dads are dead-beats. My best friend has been divorced twice. Her first ex always paid child support. Her 2nd ex quits every job the minute his wages are garnished. HE is a dead-beat. My friend also lives in the same community as my husband's ex, and has been appalled at the things my husband's ex has pulled over the years. My friend would never lie about child support or the kid being in college, or not let her kids see their dad, or.....the list goes on, and on and on. And to be fair, not all ex-wives or custodial moms are lying wicked witches, like my husband's ex is. My friend isn't like that. There are two sides to every story, and I am sure there are many who will agree, and many who will disagree with my comments. But this is my story, and it is true. I know there are alot of dead-beats dad out there. But, believe me, there are custodial moms who lie for their own benefit, as well.
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Mizzou Mom
Halltown, MO
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SASSYGIRL wrote: What I don"t understand is now the STATE puts child support on a debit card and when you get your money off the card you are charged 2-4 dollars to get your own money (child support)another way for the state to get your money !!!! My friend's child support (when her ex pays any) is deposited into her bank acct. She does not have the state's child support debit card. She was divorced 4 years ago. Can you request that it be deposited into an account instead?
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