BFMS fix could cost $11.3M

BFMS fix could cost $11.3M

There are 55 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Aug 2, 2010, titled BFMS fix could cost $11.3M. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Renovations to the Bellows Falls Middle School might cost as much as $11.3 million, and now the Rockingham School Board has to decide how much to ask for from the voters to move ahead with the project.

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Dinty Moore

Ellsworth, ME

#1 Aug 2, 2010
Compared to the costs of running that bottomless pit called the BFUHS this cost is a drop in the bucket. Rockingham should fix the old girl up and move all OUR STUDENTS back to Bellows Falls and hell be dammed with the UNION SCHOOL and all the outlying areas who want no part of us.
BMI

Walpole, NH

#2 Aug 2, 2010
Nice dream, but not reality. Can't get out of the union high school without a vote approving it from all of the towns in the school district approving it. That won't happen. And even if by some fluke they did, it would cost even more to get the BFMS to meet school standards for a high school.
Parent

Walpole, NH

#3 Aug 2, 2010
$11 million? For a little over 200 students? Like most contructions, it will run into more than expected at the start.
Dinty Moore

Ellsworth, ME

#4 Aug 2, 2010
BMI are you the "HARPSTER" that lives in Walpole?
Deployed in Afghanistan

United States

#5 Aug 2, 2010
11.3M You could build a new school for that much. It sounds like all the waste, fraud and abuse over here.
Joe Shlabotnik

Grand Rapids, MI

#6 Aug 2, 2010
Dinty Moore wrote:
Compared to the costs of running that bottomless pit called the BFUHS this cost is a drop in the bucket. Rockingham should fix the old girl up and move all OUR STUDENTS back to Bellows Falls and hell be dammed with the UNION SCHOOL and all the outlying areas who want no part of us.
Nice try Beefstew Breath. BMI is correct. The town can not unilaterally pull out of the union school. You want to pay 11 million for the aging"old girl" and hope that number is accurate?? Last time this board brought a bond vote forward they were 20% too low on their cost estimates as well.For a school with the test results this current school gets?? Go back to peeling potatoes.
danny

Attleboro, MA

#7 Aug 2, 2010
I agree with Dinty,the high school is a joke. The middle school is right in the heart of "OUR" town,the neighboring towns showed their true colors, they wouldn't come together with us.There is no union ,let's take care of our own children ,and the hell with the rest of these towns.The women from grafton even said at the Rock school board meeting that they ran dortery out of town.
Parent too

Bellows Falls, VT

#8 Aug 2, 2010
We need alernatives. How much would it cost to add a grade or 2 to the other schools? You can put all this money into it....still no one is going to send their child there.
ANONYMOUS

Springfield, MA

#9 Aug 2, 2010
MOVE MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS TO CENTRAL-SAXTONS RIVER AND THE HIGH SCHOOL- BFMS HAS OUTLIVED ITS CURRENT USE- I CERTAINLY WILL NOT VOTE TO APPROVE THE MONIES TO FIX THE MIDDLE SCHOOL- IT WOULD TAKE LESS TO MOVE STUDENTS TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS---OUT ENROLLMENT IS NOT GOING TO GROW - MAY BFMS REST IN PEACE- BUT SHE MUST GO!
Spuds

Burlington, VT

#10 Aug 2, 2010
They said the existing system is serviceable, but beyond it's life expectancy, sounds like most of congress. Everything I own fits that description.
It's been my experience, many times, the new one wasn't as good as the one I threw out.

A wise home owner would do the repairs in phases and save money by not borrowing it, or at least with smaller loans. Do the most important things first. Spend a million or less a year for ten years and GET BIDS!

In this economy we should get a deal!
Spuds

Burlington, VT

#11 Aug 2, 2010
The building is structurally sound. I wonder how much of this estimate is for carpet and stupid things that shouldn't even be in a public building.

One has to wonder if it would make more sense to sell it and move the students to the other schools.

It sure smells like a very lucrative contract for whoever gets the job and another blow to the taxpayers!

I remember much opposition to the BFUHS building at the time. The proposition failed repeatedly, but finally passed through attrition, by repeatedly bringing it before the voters. It was a huge mistake. If that money was put in the middle school, there would be no problem today.

Let's not make the same mistake again. Bigger is seldom better.
BFMiddles

Bellows Falls, VT

#12 Aug 2, 2010
There's no deal. Materials are thru the roof. When they say 11 mil, they mean 15 mil. always! Rehab it or elese? I say: or else!

Sell it and have someone else put money into it for something they'll get a return on.(old folks home/community college) What an awful place for teens and pre-teens to go to school. You have to get on a school bus to get to the nearest ballfield.
Alvin

Inman, SC

#13 Aug 2, 2010
11 million, for that you should be able to build a new school! Ground UP!
Spuds

Burlington, VT

#14 Aug 2, 2010
Of course, you could build an enormous steel building for that and buy a huge tract of land to put it on. It could be energy efficient with solar panels on the roof. That is a pile of money and a lot could be done with it. These renovations amount to custom work and that is very expensive, whether it is an old building or whatever. I say sell it. It's probably not worth unless it is done incrementally, and these people will never consider that. At least with a ten year plan the results work could be reviewed as it goes, rather than have it stuck to us all at once. In other words done award the whole contract at once, maintain control over the project.
Perry Mason Parker

Mount Holly, VT

#15 Aug 2, 2010
"He gave a sobering rundown" - LOL - judging by the drooling neanderthals crawling around Old Home Days, I didn't think the word 'sober' was even possible in that town. Come to think of it, the word 'run' is another concept that I think might be foreign - but that is to be expected when kids in BF eat Reeses and drink Coke for breakfast.

11 million dollars.....now THAT....is the real joke. Contractors are becoming worse than lawyers nowadays. That is a ridiculous pricetag.
Republicrat

Bellows Falls, VT

#16 Aug 2, 2010
BFMiddles wrote:
There's no deal. Materials are thru the roof. When they say 11 mil, they mean 15 mil. always! Rehab it or elese? I say: or else!
Sell it and have someone else put money into it for something they'll get a return on.(old folks home/community college) What an awful place for teens and pre-teens to go to school. You have to get on a school bus to get to the nearest ballfield.
Sell it? Who would be stupid enough to buy it? The only folks I can think of already own it. And for those that disparage us outlying towns for not wanting any part of that money-sink....could you honestly claim that you would respond any differently if you were a tax-payer in Westminster, Grafton or Athens? I think not. This is a problem of Rockinghams own making. You guys deal with it. For the person who wants to pull out of the high school union, go ahead and give it a shot. You just may find us eager to let you go.
danny

Attleboro, MA

#17 Aug 2, 2010
Republicrat wrote:
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Sell it? Who would be stupid enough to buy it? The only folks I can think of already own it. And for those that disparage us outlying towns for not wanting any part of that money-sink....could you honestly claim that you would respond any differently if you were a tax-payer in Westminster, Grafton or Athens? I think not. This is a problem of Rockinghams own making. You guys deal with it. For the person who wants to pull out of the high school union, go ahead and give it a shot. You just may find us eager to let you go.
If Rockingham pulls out of the Union, the HS. closes,Rockingham pay's over 60% of the Union budget I believe.
Dinty Moore

Ellsworth, ME

#18 Aug 2, 2010
The voters in Claremont are remolding their old high school rather than build a new one, do they know something we don’t?

NH is getting millions to start up charter schools, hope Vermont follows suit and does the same, better education more accountability and less fat for the unions.

The taxpayers save all around and the outlying districts can build their own schools.

Be careful what you wish for when you snub Rockingham Voters.
Republicrat

Bellows Falls, VT

#19 Aug 2, 2010
danny wrote:
<quoted text>If Rockingham pulls out of the Union, the HS. closes,Rockingham pay's over 60% of the Union budget I believe.
That's simply because it sends 60% of the students. It would be a PIA to begin with, but the scores will rise and the high school finally might get off the state "technical assistance" list.

It's been said before and quoted in this very paper. BFMS does not adequately educate it's students. They arrive at the high school behind the rest. It's not the kids fault, their junior high school simply has failed them. I don't think an 11 million reno project will fix that. But hey, it's your money.
just say no

Bellows Falls, VT

#20 Aug 2, 2010
Does this include hiring all brand new staff from teachers to administration? Cause whats the point of spending that amount of money on the building if it doesnt fix the real problem?

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