Has the Notion of Sin Been Lost?

Has the Notion of Sin Been Lost?

There are 99 comments on the WLTX Columbia story from Mar 20, 2008, titled Has the Notion of Sin Been Lost?. In it, WLTX Columbia reports that:

By Cathy Lynn Grossman USA TODAY Is sin dead? No, not by a long shot. Yet as Easter approaches, some pastors and theologians worry: How can Christians celebrate Jesus' atonement for their sins and the promise ...

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susannah

Cayce, SC

#22 Mar 21, 2008
O Rly wrote:
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So which god is it? The Catholic one? The Southern Baptist one? The Muslim one? The Hebrew one? Is it Zeus? How about the Mormon one? Maybe it's the Jehovah's witness god.
The one and only true religion is Christianity. I would be very afraid to be any of you out there who don't believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. This isn't something to be taken lightly.
disgusted

Shreveport, LA

#23 Mar 21, 2008
THANKS FOR THE FIRST AMENDMENT. THANKS FOR FREEDOM OF/ FROM RELIGION! THANKS FOR THE RIGHT TO BE A SOUTHERN BAPTIST/BUDDHIST/UNITARIAN-UNI VERSALIST/ORTHODOX, ETC!
THANKS FOR THE RIGHT not TO BE PERSECUTED INTO BEING X INSTEAD OF Y!
underhay

Lexington, SC

#25 Mar 22, 2008
susannah wrote:
<quoted text>The one and only true religion is Christianity. I would be very afraid to be any of you out there who don't believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. This isn't something to be taken lightly.
the only TRUE god is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. there is still time for you to repent and make it into heaven, where FSM promises us beer volcanoes. REPENT! before it is too late!

“Protect our natural resources”

Since: Jul 07

Napa Valley

#26 Mar 22, 2008
old salt dog wrote:
<quoted text> some monkey took a $hit and there you were
Good one!!
EJ Vianney

Maxton, NC

#27 Mar 23, 2008
It all boils down to this; If you want to stay out of trouble, obey the law.
If you want to please God, obey the commandments. And you can't pick and choose. They're not the Ten Suggestions; they're the Ten Commandments.

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#29 Mar 24, 2008
EJ Vianney wrote:
It all boils down to this; If you want to stay out of trouble, obey the law.
If you want to please God, obey the commandments. And you can't pick and choose. They're not the Ten Suggestions; they're the Ten Commandments.
And what about the other 600+ rules listed? Are all of those just suggestions? If we are stuck with just the 10 commandments then things such as slavery, rape, child abuse, drugs, DUI and killing the planet are 100% acceptable.

Other rules of the bible:(Reposted from someone else, did not make this list)

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21-7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1-9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination -- Lev. 11:10 -- it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality; I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws?

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#30 Mar 24, 2008
Palmetto Legionnaire wrote:
As a Christian, I ask all the atheists to consider the following... that I don't have enough faith to be an atheist - cause, quite frankly, if there's nothing after this, you'll never know, forever; however, if you're wrong... you'll know, forever. So, atheist, why take the chance? Even atheists exercise a fair amount of 'faith' everyday - it's not a foreign concept to them. Ever see an atheist disassemble his car, put it back together, and drive to work - all in the same morning? No, neither have I. Faith in GOD is easier than they're willing to acknowledge. And given the probability that the concept of love, hope and purpose is not lost on that lot - pardon the pun - an intelligent atheist is just a Christian-in-waiting, per se.
It never fails, someone always has to attempt to use Pascal's Wager which basically argues that if a believer is wrong, nothing happens but if an atheist is wrong then they go to hell. The problem with that argument is that is uses flawed logic from the start and just gets worse. It assumes (and we all know what happens when we assume) that there is only two possible outcomes. There are not. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of possible outcomes. A believer is playing the odds no differently then a non-believer. You area betting that the god YOU believe in is the correct one. You are betting that when you die, not only will you not cease to exist, you will not find yourself standing before Zeus or Odin or Allah. You are betting that of the thousands of gods that have been worshipped through history that you have it right. Since all previous gods have the same level of evidence to support them as yours (none) you are basically playing the eternity lotto. That is the illogical portion.

Personally, I would rather stand before a god, any god, as an unbeliever who did not find sufficient proof then as a follower of a completely different god who must explain their actions to a god. As all gods tend to be jealous and prone to anger management issues, I would not want to be in that person's shoes.

Now, since this topic was about Easter in general, I would also like to point out to the forgotten and buried true meaning behind Easter - worship of the fertility and spring goddess Eastre. The bunny rabbit was a symbol of fertility (imagine that, we know how bunnies can be) and bright colored eggs which represented the spring sunlight. Much like Christmas, it is a "borrowed" (stolen) pagan holiday used in the past to convert the masses.
don t get on my nerves

United States

#31 Mar 24, 2008
Palmetto Legionnaire wrote:
And for those who didn't get it... it takes faith to drive something someone else built, serviced, and drive it at an incredibly fast rate of speed, to boot.
I still can't figure out how an atheist know so much about someone whom they don't believe in.
Both of your posts hit the atheist on the head, oops(nail on the head).
LOL
steak and wine

Fairfax, SC

#32 Mar 24, 2008
We need to give troopers cameras that they can turn off when they need to.
underhay

Chapin, SC

#33 Mar 24, 2008
steak and wine wrote:
We need to give troopers cameras that they can turn off when they need to.
uhh... what?

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#34 Mar 24, 2008
don t get on my nerves wrote:
<quoted text>I still can't figure out how an atheist know so much about someone whom they don't believe in.
Both of your posts hit the atheist on the head, oops(nail on the head).
LOL
Funny thing about atheists - most of them were once believers. A believer who doesn't just believe because they are told to and who question the why behind things can find themselves out of the religion amazingly fast.

At the very least they have had to defend their rights to just exist countless times. It is sad they know more about the religion then most of its members.

It has been said that reading the bible is an excellent way of becoming an atheist in fact!

It hardly hit anything on the head actually. It was little more then reposted arguements that have been posted and defeated time and time again.
sue

Columbia, SC

#35 Mar 24, 2008
Faith comes by hearing. You have the knowledge, now we will trust the Spirit will move in you heart. You know Saul persecuted Christians! As John Newton wrote...I once was blind, but now I see.
The Lord bless you and make His face shine upon you!

[/Qoute] 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to
sue

Columbia, SC

#36 Mar 24, 2008
It seems that you were not the seed that fell on good soil. Was it the rocky soil, or did you fall on the roadside? You were not a true believer if you fell away. God's chosen cannot be snatched from His hand!
Also Paul tells us to examine everything according to the Word.
Get_Over_It wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny thing about atheists - most of them were once believers. A believer who doesn't just believe because they are told to and who question the why behind things can find themselves out of the religion amazingly fast.
At the very least they have had to defend their rights to just exist countless times. It is sad they know more about the religion then most of its members.
It has been said that reading the bible is an excellent way of becoming an atheist in fact!
It hardly hit anything on the head actually. It was little more then reposted arguements that have been posted and defeated time and time again.
The Beer Slayer

Fairfax, SC

#37 Mar 24, 2008
I was once fornicating in a church and drinking and cussing and all i could think was it was wrong. i then repented and have since given up on the entire foundation of religion.

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#38 Mar 25, 2008
sue wrote:
It seems that you were not the seed that fell on good soil. Was it the rocky soil, or did you fall on the roadside? You were not a true believer if you fell away. God's chosen cannot be snatched from His hand!
Also Paul tells us to examine everything according to the Word.
<quoted text>
Actually, I was more like the seed that fell into a library. Instead of taking lessons from just one book and then refusing to even look at another, I learned from a bunch of different sources.

So your basic arguement is if you are a "true" believer then you will never walk away? The problem with that line of thought is a good number of believers have done just that after they began to ask questions and could not find an answer beyond "God works in mysterious ways" or "Don't worry about, just have faith". The only way to keep people like that in the fold is to not allow them to question anything about what they are taught or told.
Even your own words point that you believe you should only ask questions that can be answered by the bible. If the question leads you against what you read there or disagrees with it, disregard the question.

Sounds like just another form of control. "Do what you are told, do not question"
underhay

Chapin, SC

#39 Mar 25, 2008
Get_Over_It wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I was more like the seed that fell into a library. Instead of taking lessons from just one book and then refusing to even look at another, I learned from a bunch of different sources.
So your basic arguement is if you are a "true" believer then you will never walk away? The problem with that line of thought is a good number of believers have done just that after they began to ask questions and could not find an answer beyond "God works in mysterious ways" or "Don't worry about, just have faith". The only way to keep people like that in the fold is to not allow them to question anything about what they are taught or told.
Even your own words point that you believe you should only ask questions that can be answered by the bible. If the question leads you against what you read there or disagrees with it, disregard the question.
Sounds like just another form of control. "Do what you are told, do not question"
careful there, get-over-it! religion has ALWAYS depended on unblinking obedience. what the heck do you think would happen if folks looked at religion objectively? that's right, it would be a hard pill to swallow.(all religions, not just his or hers, or even that other one.)
of course, ONE religion promises us beer volcanoes in heaven. long live FSM! may you be touched by his noodly appendage!

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#40 Mar 25, 2008
underhay wrote:
<quoted text>
careful there, get-over-it! religion has ALWAYS depended on unblinking obedience. what the heck do you think would happen if folks looked at religion objectively? that's right, it would be a hard pill to swallow.(all religions, not just his or hers, or even that other one.)
of course, ONE religion promises us beer volcanoes in heaven. long live FSM! may you be touched by his noodly appendage!
Indeed, you are correct my pastafarian friend! Only the FSM is true! RAmen!

“Custom Handcarved Decoys”

Since: Mar 08

Kingstree, SC

#41 Mar 25, 2008
JuanJuanTreeFo wrote:
Sinning is fun. I will continue to have fun and sin. If there is ahell and I end up there so be it, all the cool ppl will be there too.
If you say that sinning is fun then you must beleive in God and also know whats right and what is wrong... LOL !! You crack me up... You must be a BAD MAN !! LOL !!

Since: Mar 08

Saint Louis, MO

#42 Mar 25, 2008
susannah wrote:
<quoted text>The one and only true religion is Christianity. I would be very afraid to be any of you out there who don't believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. This isn't something to be taken lightly.
This is probably the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this post. No wonder so many people can't stand radical Christian extremists like yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I believe a man named Jesus existed, but I doubt highly he was our lord and savior. Just some hippie born out of wedlock who liked to drink wine and hang out with whores...

“Common Sense - a new religion”

Since: Jan 08

Lexington, SC

#43 Mar 25, 2008
ReallyBatty wrote:
<quoted text>
This is probably the most ignorant statement I have ever read on this post. No wonder so many people can't stand radical Christian extremists like yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I believe a man named Jesus existed, but I doubt highly he was our lord and savior. Just some hippie born out of wedlock who liked to drink wine and hang out with whores...
Give them a while, they will post something else that makes the one you are talking about seem sane.

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