Bill

United States

#21 Jul 1, 2008
Over time DOC's must make decisions that serve the best interest of the club. A merger is a good time to make wholesale changes, some times change is hard and some people feel cheated.

I was told JB didn't like this coaches past player selection (keeping lesser returning players vs gaining new stronger players) and JB circumvented the team politics and put the club first. As the club was making changes, JB chose to build a strong team by taking the better players available in the club (many passed over by this new Canton coach) to form one strong team in the club. If that's what happened, then too bad it took a merger to make it happen.

Other age groups teams will be effected by this merger and it should be positive over time, its just a couple teams with a couple coaches didn't like the end of their end of the stick.

These things happen. The coaches who left will get a chance to show the LCSC board what they could have had, and they would be good games to watch.


Sue

Livonia, MI

#22 Jul 1, 2008
Ehren
Unfortunately my U14 player is my daughter, but thanks for the offer. Good luck to you and your team this season.
Ehren wrote:
I'm a parent of a U14 boy player for Livonia City Soccer. I was very upset at the "Tryout." There is a huge stigma about playing premier vs. playing select. I like the fact the premier games will be closer. After the tryout the old select team was left with 7 players. All of these players in my opinion could play in the premier division. I made it my goal to see that my son would have a place to play and began calling other players who had not committed to teams. End of last week I was four kids short of having a team. As the deadline for registering a team was yesterday I had four new players commit to playing with us. Now we have a team. If you have a U14 boy and want to play please contact me. The team will play in the Local Premier Division. ehren.barr@us.army.mil
I have space for more players but time is limited. We will sign the team up Tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon. Livonia City Soccer is still only $750 plus uniform, and practicing and playing here in Livonia. I have two other children playing soccer so the expensive clubs are really not an option for me. I want to make the local soccer experience the best it can be. So if it takes a few hours of making these calls and apologizing for the way tryouts went, I'll do it because I want my son to play on a quality team next year is high school.
New to Soccer Clubs

Carrollton, TX

#23 Jul 1, 2008
I am new to all this, but I have to agree that it did look like the coaches weren't paying attention as much as I would have liked. They did pull the girls off on the second day to play 3v3 but I did feel as if I wasted my time. I know that LCSC is trying to get a third team going but is having some diffictuly, to my knowledge they have not commited the girls yet and now the other teams are all closed. I do agree with another person about paying over 800.00 for a recreational leauge. I'm glad I saw that because I was almost one of those parents. I heard that Garden City is still looking for some U10 girls and others to fill out some teams as well as Livonia Fire so I would try there. I honestly wish there was less politics and that coaches would work together to help fill a team out somewhere just so the gilrs could play. Why can't coaches have some type of player board for needed players or players that they had to let go so that they can be on another team. Also all the try-outs are on the same day! Come on, this is for the kids! Lets work together.
Sue

Livonia, MI

#24 Jul 1, 2008
Well said at least your coaches had the girls do 3v3. All the U14 girls did was 11v11. You definitely could see more individual skill if it was 3v3.
There is a reason why they do these try outs all on the same day. Players have to commit to one league and can't try out in different leagues. But with Livonia I will still state that was not a try out but a srimmage and I could have taken my daughter to a different club where she would have gotten a fair shot. You are right it is for the kids and leave it up to the adults to screw it up.
newsocdad

Keego Harbor, MI

#25 Jul 1, 2008
Sue:
My own daughter is a rising u14 player. I believe that there are several u14 teams in your area that may still have open slots. I don't know for sure, but I would suggest checking out the availability of open positions with Canton, Novi, Plymouth, Waza and S. Lyon.
As for clubs having try outs on the same day: It is not a rule. The msysa rule says only that clubs cannot have tryouts until after a specific date (usually June 15 or 16). A club could have tryouts later than those dates, but IMO they do not for the simply reason that they are worried "their" players would be snapped up by other clubs if they waited.
Good luck to you and your daughter
so4all

United States

#26 Jul 1, 2008
Sue wrote:
Ehren
Unfortunately my U14 player is my daughter, but thanks for the offer. Good luck to you and your team this season.
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Would she want to play up a year? U15 Plymouth soccer club team looking for a couple of more players...great bunch of girls and coach
newsocdad

Keego Harbor, MI

#27 Jul 1, 2008
I will say that I have wondered how the Meteors (pre-merger) set up their teams. It seemed odd to have three u13 girls teams this past year that were all fairly even (1 ended up in Classic 2 and 2 in Classic 1) rather than trying to make an A, B and C team. To me, with that set up, you may well end up with some players on the team being too advanced from the level of play while others would be better off playing and practicing at a lower level.

I will be curious to see how the new teams come out at u14.
Mike

United States

#28 Jul 1, 2008
I hear that the Livonia YMCA has started a new select and Premier program called the Fire. They are small due to the merger but very reasonable in price approx $400 including uniform and tournamnets. They have great coaches and excellent trainers. I know that the U11 Girls are looking to fill a few reaming spots and have an excellent coach and training staff.
Jim wrote:
Add a third disgruntled parent to the mix. I actually watched the U10 Girls manager go around to the Meteors parents and ask which coach they would prefer. Than they came back and try to sell you on the C team to collect 800 bucks from you. I too am headed to WAZA.
Mike

United States

#29 Jul 1, 2008
I hear that the Livonia YMCA has started a new select and Premier program called the Fire. They are small due to the merger but very reasonable in price approx $400 including uniform and tournamnets. They have great coaches and excellent trainers. If you call you may be able to find a spot on one of their teams and they still play out of Bicentennial and are part of WSSL.
Sue wrote:
I had the unpleasant experience of watching my child try out for a select or premier team on Sunday and Monday evening. What a joke it was, I figured out almost immediately that the teams were already selected and this was a waste of time and energy. What kind of try out can you have when all the kids did for 2 evenings was scrimmage, there were no individual skills (drills) sessions. It was just a pick up soccer game. Then watching the coaches not even watch the scrimmages was even more agrivating. I'm not saying that my child was the best out on the field because she wasn't but all I'm asking for are for all the kids to get a fair shot. Politics are obvious when it comes to the newly formed club merger.Those that are in charge should be ashamed of themselves. I thought there would be not who you know but how you played would determine whether you're good enough to make it. As sad as it may be but how many parents observed the same things that I saw and what it our recourse? I'm currently looking at other neighboring cities and their soccer programs. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Kathy

United States

#30 Jul 1, 2008
My daughter is Playing for the Livonia YMCA Fire and our experience has been great so far!!!
Sue wrote:
I had the unpleasant experience of watching my child try out for a select or premier team on Sunday and Monday evening. What a joke it was, I figured out almost immediately that the teams were already selected and this was a waste of time and energy. What kind of try out can you have when all the kids did for 2 evenings was scrimmage, there were no individual skills (drills) sessions. It was just a pick up soccer game. Then watching the coaches not even watch the scrimmages was even more agrivating. I'm not saying that my child was the best out on the field because she wasn't but all I'm asking for are for all the kids to get a fair shot. Politics are obvious when it comes to the newly formed club merger.Those that are in charge should be ashamed of themselves. I thought there would be not who you know but how you played would determine whether you're good enough to make it. As sad as it may be but how many parents observed the same things that I saw and what it our recourse? I'm currently looking at other neighboring cities and their soccer programs. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
George

United States

#31 Jul 1, 2008
There is another select club in Livonia that you may want to consider. YMCA Fire
Jim wrote:
Add a third disgruntled parent to the mix. I actually watched the U10 Girls manager go around to the Meteors parents and ask which coach they would prefer. Than they came back and try to sell you on the C team to collect 800 bucks from you. I too am headed to WAZA.
Michaela

United States

#32 Jul 1, 2008
Try the YMCA they play out of Bicentennial and are in WSSL. Great coaches and we have had a great experience so far. Several teams have openings.
Jim wrote:
Add a third disgruntled parent to the mix. I actually watched the U10 Girls manager go around to the Meteors parents and ask which coach they would prefer. Than they came back and try to sell you on the C team to collect 800 bucks from you. I too am headed to WAZA.
Tommy

Harrisburg, OH

#33 Jul 1, 2008
Try the Fire out of YMCA. I've heard nothing but great things from the previous 5 posts.
Soccer Fan

Lima, OH

#34 Jul 2, 2008
I have had my kids (girls & boys) play soccer over the last 10 years at all levels, Recreational, Select and Premier levels. They have played for different clubs throughout the 10 years, the Livonia YMCA, Livonia Soccer Club and the Meteors. Here are some observations I have made with my childrenís experience over the last 10 years.

My kids starting playing thru the YMCA Recreational program. My son was appointed a coach who was excellent and did a great job with the players. After a few years he moved up to coach a select team and the next coach was not of the same caliber. My daughterís did not get so lucky with the coaches they received. Although I give them credit for volunteering their time they struggled as coaches. It seems as if the YMCA was not very involved once the teams were made and if your child was given an inexperienced coach your child had to suffer. I never saw anyone from the YMCA come out to help the volunteer coaches. After a few years I moved my kids to the Livonia Soccer Club because I heard the coaching at the Recreational level was better. I found that to be true. The volunteer coach my son received did not have experience as a coach but trainers from the LSC came out to practices and helped the coach with practices to make sure they were taught the skills that were approprate for thier age. The LSC also offered Skills Sessions on Friday evenings so if a player wanted to improve they could attend the Skills Sessions. The YMCA never offered anything close to what the LSC offered as far as training. Hopefully things have improved at the YMCA. I know one of the coaches that will be coaching with the Fire and I have a lot of respect for him. I just wonder if all of the coaches are of the same caliber and what will the YMCA offer as help to the coaches in their program?

After a few attempts my son made one of the Livonia Meteor teams. He has enjoyed his time with the Meteors, I feel they are a competitive club at a reasonable price. Our costs have increased over the last few years, which has been due to hiring paid trainers. It has been worth the investment. I have seen improvement with the players and the team as a whole. I also feel the players are being taught life lessons that are a valuable part of playing a team sport. I know other kids that have played with other clubs at the Premier level and they pay much more to play soccer. So I feel the Meteors have been a good value.

As far as Tryouts they can be diffucult for everyone involved, players, parents and kids. I feel the coaches I have observed do the best job possible, itís not an easy process. Iím sure some kids may be over looked but I know my sonís team has added new players every year and kids that have been on the team have been cut. So your spot is not secure every year, it has to be earned.

Someone posted that the recreational players at the new merged club will be charged $800. That is not true, recreational players will be charged $135-$225 depending on the age group and if they play a full year or half year. At the Premier/Select level the registration fee is $750 for full year players,$550 for half year players.

That being said I feel the merger will be a good thing for the players in the program. Will there be bumps in the road? Yes. Will mistakes be made along the way? Iím sure there will be but I feel in the long term it will be a good thing for the kids. If you have concerns I would send an e-mail to the board of directors at the Livonia City Soccer Club and share your concerns with them. The only way they can improve is if they know they have unhappy customers.
Sue

Livonia, MI

#35 Jul 3, 2008
LCSC are aware of what took place but the administration ignored it. Remember there was two days of tryouts (after what they had to see on Sunday they could have changed on Monday unless they knew the teams were already picked)and when I spoke to an administrator he agreed that it was not the proper way of running a tryout and I was correct that it was a scrimmage and the teams were already selected. I can't speak for all the LCSC tryouts but I can speak on what took place at the U14 level. The administration and the U14 coaches should be ashamed.
so4all

United States

#36 Jul 3, 2008
Sue wrote:
LCSC are aware of what took place but the administration ignored it. Remember there was two days of tryouts (after what they had to see on Sunday they could have changed on Monday unless they knew the teams were already picked)and when I spoke to an administrator he agreed that it was not the proper way of running a tryout and I was correct that it was a scrimmage and the teams were already selected. I can't speak for all the LCSC tryouts but I can speak on what took place at the U14 level. The administration and the U14 coaches should be ashamed.
Did you daughter find a team? I would feel bad for any child unable to play.
Mary

Livonia, MI

#37 Jul 3, 2008
I would not recommend the YMCA Fire.
Bill

United States

#38 Jul 3, 2008
Looking for a team? There are some good clubs but all are more expensive. Plymouth isn't so bad, Novi has B and C teams and many ages, as does Rush. Waza has great training but is as expensive as Rush and Novi. Vardar South is new and trying to build.
Sue

Livonia, MI

#39 Jul 8, 2008
Thanks, my daughter made a select team in Canton. Thanks for everyone's input it was very helpful and informative.
so4all wrote:
<quoted text>Did you daughter find a team? I would feel bad for any child unable to play.
Rick

Livonia, MI

#40 Jul 10, 2008
Congrats to your daughter, I'm sure that she will find Canton Soccer to her liking. It is a shame what is happening with the new Livonia Club. How many others are going to leave?
Sue wrote:
Thanks, my daughter made a select team in Canton. Thanks for everyone's input it was very helpful and informative.
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