JimmyJohn

Miamisburg, OH

#20742 Sep 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You really believe that our founders had no vision of advanced weaponry in the future? They thought that muskets and single action revolvers would be the apex of our creation?
And here we once again have that worn out liberal "They owned slaves" routine that you think somehow discounts or eliminates any credibility our founders had.
They also didn't know we were going to have the "A" bomb or jet planes. So what does that have to do with the price of milk?
get a life people and vote the people out of office that are taking this country down. Makes no difference what party they belong to. The people need to tke this country back.
Old Guy

New Carlisle, OH

#20743 Sep 28, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>We all also know that IF all of what we, as individuals, invested our life time 'contributions', that we could retire with greater amounts.
I have a lot of younger friends that would love to have a "defined benefit" retirement plan, instead of their "defined contribution" plans (where they get to invest the money, and hope for the best.) The stock market has long flat spells. If your timing is bad, your retirement nest egg is toast. Same for other investments.
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I find it difficult to trust the many representatives that exempt themselves from Affordable Health Care, Social Security, & more.
Your facts are wrong. Congress and their staff are all included in Obamacare (thanks to the Grassley amendment.) And all federal workers hired since 1984 are covered by (and contribute to) Social Security.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114284/con...

http://work.chron.com/government-employees-so...
Pops

Newport, KY

#20744 Sep 28, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a lot of younger friends that would love to have a "defined benefit" retirement plan, instead of their "defined contribution" plans (where they get to invest the money, and hope for the best.) The stock market has long flat spells. If your timing is bad, your retirement nest egg is toast. Same for other investments.
<quoted text>
Your facts are wrong. Congress and their staff are all included in Obamacare (thanks to the Grassley amendment.) And all federal workers hired since 1984 are covered by (and contribute to) Social Security.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114284/con...
http://work.chron.com/government-employees-so...
Informative. I ck printed news, TV/radio news & obviously internet news but some how missed that.
Now they need the same pension plans.
I still am the biggest cynic about trusting them to run a bath.
What about the Brent Spence bridge? Now it is supposedly an 'earmark' to use tax dollars to build a new bridge! What the bleep are highway & fuel taxes for? Building rabbit cages? Something is messed up. The bridge used to have a break down lane but they converted it for traffic in the 70's.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#20745 Sep 28, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Informative. I ck printed news, TV/radio news & obviously internet news but some how missed that.
Now they need the same pension plans.
I still am the biggest cynic about trusting them to run a bath.
What about the Brent Spence bridge? Now it is supposedly an 'earmark' to use tax dollars to build a new bridge! What the bleep are highway & fuel taxes for? Building rabbit cages? Something is messed up. The bridge used to have a break down lane but they converted it for traffic in the 70's.
Not too much different here. Our main artery going into downtown Cleveland is a bridge that is so bad trucks have to detour to get into or across town. The bridge isn't strong enough to safely allow trucks to cross and the detour sucks in rush hour traffic.

We didn't get much help from the feds and it's a good thing we have Kasich as a Governor who managed to find a way to fund the new bridge project.
Wise one

Mount Gilead, OH

#20746 Sep 28, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Informative. I ck printed news, TV/radio news & obviously internet news but some how missed that.
Now they need the same pension plans.
I still am the biggest cynic about trusting them to run a bath.
What about the Brent Spence bridge? Now it is supposedly an 'earmark' to use tax dollars to build a new bridge! What the bleep are highway & fuel taxes for? Building rabbit cages? Something is messed up. The bridge used to have a break down lane but they converted it for traffic in the 70's.
. They have spent the highway and fuel taxes on their wants- maybe even embezzled ! This is what the political welfare system we have evolved to consist of! The only fools are the voters and taxpayers who continue to accept this!
JackKnifedInfo

Canton, OH

#20747 Sep 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You really believe that our founders had no vision of advanced weaponry in the future? They thought that muskets and single action revolvers would be the apex of our creation?
And here we once again have that worn out liberal "They owned slaves" routine that you think somehow discounts or eliminates any credibility our founders had.
Our founders were having prophesies of tomahawk missiles and stealth bombers...coo coo, coo coo. You sound like a raving lunatic. One who once again is trying to make up stuff that someone else said. Go ahead a show me where I stated the fathers of our country were invalid. Go play slap and tickle games with Pops, you festering lie machine. I have no time for Timothy McVeigh wanna be's.
Not2Wise

Canton, OH

#20748 Sep 28, 2013
Wise one wrote:
<quoted text>. They have spent the highway and fuel taxes on their wants- maybe even embezzled ! This is what the political welfare system we have evolved to consist of! The only fools are the voters and taxpayers who continue to accept this!
And yet everyone's life is exactly the same, for the last 20 or so years, no matter how many time Sarah Palin told your corporate fetch boy @ss that the sky is falling. The only real difference is we were making about 10K more a year under Bill Clinton. Eat those facts you Tea Bagger emailed newsletter.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#20749 Sep 28, 2013
Not2Wise wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet everyone's life is exactly the same, for the last 20 or so years, no matter how many time Sarah Palin told your corporate fetch boy @ss that the sky is falling. The only real difference is we were making about 10K more a year under Bill Clinton. Eat those facts you Tea Bagger emailed newsletter.
Do tell, what did Bill Clinton to that contributed to us making 10K more per year?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#20750 Sep 28, 2013
JackKnifedInfo wrote:
<quoted text>
Our founders were having prophesies of tomahawk missiles and stealth bombers...coo coo, coo coo. You sound like a raving lunatic. One who once again is trying to make up stuff that someone else said. Go ahead a show me where I stated the fathers of our country were invalid. Go play slap and tickle games with Pops, you festering lie machine. I have no time for Timothy McVeigh wanna be's.
You don't, huh? Then I guess you now support the Iraq war.

if you were not implying that our founders were invalid, why did you bring up slavery? What did slavery have to do with their stance on firearms? I didn't bring up slavery.
Pops

Newport, KY

#20751 Sep 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't, huh? Then I guess you now support the Iraq war.
if you were not implying that our founders were invalid, why did you bring up slavery? What did slavery have to do with their stance on firearms? I didn't bring up slavery.
Of course It would seem that our founders could not have imagined precisely what changes would come about in their futures, but they certainly KNEW that things would NOT remain the same since they were clearly aware that at one time there was no steam engines, firearms, cannons etc. And B4 that there were catapaults, simple bows, cross bows, steel, bronze, stone tipped arrows & spears, B4 that clubs & sling shots etc.
So I agree with you.
They had no crystal ball just as we don't. But we already envision lasers, rail guns, pulse weapons & more.
that is an angle that the narrow sighted don't see or they refuse to see.
As far as your slavery question, that's just Canton when he can't stay on subject.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#20752 Sep 28, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Of course It would seem that our founders could not have imagined precisely what changes would come about in their futures, but they certainly KNEW that things would NOT remain the same since they were clearly aware that at one time there was no steam engines, firearms, cannons etc. And B4 that there were catapaults, simple bows, cross bows, steel, bronze, stone tipped arrows & spears, B4 that clubs & sling shots etc.
So I agree with you.
They had no crystal ball just as we don't. But we already envision lasers, rail guns, pulse weapons & more.
that is an angle that the narrow sighted don't see or they refuse to see.
As far as your slavery question, that's just Canton when he can't stay on subject.
It's what liberals do: try to invalidate proof.

If our founders feared (as Canton puts it) 16y year olds with assault rifles, they would have limited our ability to protect ourselves by listing the primitive weapons they had at the time. Of course they knew that our weaponry would advance, but they didn't want those advancements available to rogue governments or criminals and not the law abiding citizen.

If we look at our mass murders in this country including the latest Naval episode, the one common element is that most took place in gun-free zones. So far under this administration, we've had two mass attacks on military instillations. How many attacks on military instillations did we have before Clinton disarmed military personnel in these places?

Liberals just don't get it. Whether we look at isolated instances where guns are not allowed or entire states or cities that just about prohibit guns such as NYC and Chicago, we find that gun-free zones are a problem. So what's the liberal solution? Make everyplace a gun-free zone. That's just how liberals think.
18FlatTires

Canton, OH

#20753 Sep 29, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't, huh? Then I guess you now support the Iraq war.
if you were not implying that our founders were invalid, why did you bring up slavery? What did slavery have to do with their stance on firearms? I didn't bring up slavery.
My point is why are you referencing quotes from centuries ago to address a modern issue. To suggest that any of the founder's of this country could foresee the direction our country has taken would be to imply they had the ability to see the future. How's come I only have to take quotes from as far back as the 90's to find a lunatic that believes exactly what you believe, and you have to dig up people like Noah Webster to justify your point? I stated that you guys follow the EXACT same views as child murderer and terrorist Timothy McVeigh.

Here's a quote from Tea Party darling, Ann Coulter.

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
--Ann Coulter as quoted in the New York Observer, Aug. 20, 2002
18FlatTires

Canton, OH

#20754 Sep 29, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
It's what liberals do: try to invalidate proof.
If our founders feared (as Canton puts it) 16y year olds with assault rifles, they would have limited our ability to protect ourselves by listing the primitive weapons they had at the time. Of course they knew that our weaponry would advance, but they didn't want those advancements available to rogue governments or criminals and not the law abiding citizen.
If we look at our mass murders in this country including the latest Naval episode, the one common element is that most took place in gun-free zones. So far under this administration, we've had two mass attacks on military instillations. How many attacks on military instillations did we have before Clinton disarmed military personnel in these places?
Liberals just don't get it. Whether we look at isolated instances where guns are not allowed or entire states or cities that just about prohibit guns such as NYC and Chicago, we find that gun-free zones are a problem. So what's the liberal solution? Make everyplace a gun-free zone. That's just how liberals think.
Go ahead and post the quote where I stated that our founder's feared 16 year olds with assault rifles. Unless of course this is just another sneaky, scumbag rightwinger lie...again. Go ahead and post that link where I stated that our founder's were afraid of 16 year olds with AK47's. Funny how all I have to do is to post documented facts. All you guys can come up with is to lie about something anyone could see is false. The days of you guys being able to lie and never be held accountable have been shut down by the easily accessed information of the internet.(Also see the end of the GOP)
18FlatTires

Canton, OH

#20755 Sep 29, 2013
Really, my original point, before you guys tried to muddy the waters, and who could blame you, is that you Tea Party folks sound EXACTLY like Timothy McVeigh...

"Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight.[...] Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might" -Timothy McVeigh

Sound like the Tea Party?
18FlatTires

Canton, OH

#20756 Sep 29, 2013
"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control" -Timothy McVeigh

Sound like the Tea Party?
18FlatTires

Canton, OH

#20757 Sep 29, 2013
Here's one for all you "Constitutionalists" ...

"Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.
It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will." -Timothy McVeigh-racist, Libertarian, rightwing terrorist
18FlatTires

Canton, OH

#20758 Sep 29, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Do tell, what did Bill Clinton to that contributed to us making 10K more per year?
Well, he made our country one where you could walk into the boss's office and demand a raise and actually get one. Really, I'm going with the fact that I was making 10K more a year when Clinton was in office. Perhaps you could explain why that is.
18FlatTires

Canton, OH

#20760 Sep 29, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't, huh? Then I guess you now support the Iraq war.
if you were not implying that our founders were invalid, why did you bring up slavery? What did slavery have to do with their stance on firearms? I didn't bring up slavery.
Huh? What are you reading exactly because the last 3 posts you have made, you keep trying to put words in my mouth I never said. Guess when you are desperate as you guys are, you'll twist and connive anything to keep afloat. Nice try little Timmy McTea Bagger. Way too smart for your BS.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#20761 Sep 29, 2013
18FlatTires wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, he made our country one where you could walk into the boss's office and demand a raise and actually get one. Really, I'm going with the fact that I was making 10K more a year when Clinton was in office. Perhaps you could explain why that is.
Because there was more competition for employees, that's why. It's called Supply & Demand.

This is why after nearly five years of Obamanation, you make 10K less today. There is less of a demand for your services. If Democrats get their way, you will be making 15K less due to the ship load of immigrants coming from Mexico that will do your job for half of what you're making. I already see it happening in my industry. Most of the container drivers, movers and some flatbed drivers are all foreigners. I see them hitting the brakes in the middle of the highway because they have a difficult time reading the highway signs. They have to stop and read slowly.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#20762 Sep 29, 2013
18FlatTires wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? What are you reading exactly because the last 3 posts you have made, you keep trying to put words in my mouth I never said. Guess when you are desperate as you guys are, you'll twist and connive anything to keep afloat. Nice try little Timmy McTea Bagger. Way too smart for your BS.
Not putting words in your mouth, only citing the obvious implication. If you don't like my interpretation, then tell us all what you meant when you posted this:
18FlatTires wrote:
<quoted text>
You really should read up a little more. considering you started with George Mason being a symbol for all you stand for as a "Constitutionalist". He's the slave owner who refused to sign the Constitution.(insert silly spring noise sound effect here-

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