Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Seville, OH

#33405 Aug 30, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I agree 110% It's about buying votes & power. All the more motivation for term limits among other issues.
With the 'government' in control it does at least 2 things; another 'shell' to shuffle money under. And another way to lawfully BUY votes each election while keeping the budget out of balance.
The very sad thing is that improving/expanding health care with Blue Cross, Anthem, Colonial Penn, Nation Wide & others being the functionaries does NOT give the government additional control while expanding coverage with non-government entities which would still serve the public.
EVERYONE wins, but the Dems do not win as much.
A non-obvious issue is that there is also an entirely new department of government employees paid for by the now SCOTUS edict to consume even MORE unsupervised tax payer dollars.
Which will create more monetary movement 'shadows', MORE opportunities of governmental/tax payer waste, MORE cronyism, MORE nepotism, MORE "scratch my back & I'll scratch yours" positioning etc etc.
It is so very sad that politics & keeping ones political position is based so much based & weighted on the vast majority of low intelligent, sound bite voters.
None of that in the private sector.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Seville, OH

#33406 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Just look at yourself and then you will realize want McCain is like.
Outstanding. You are completely befuddled.

Since: Aug 11

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#33407 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Outstanding. You are completely befuddled.
Outstanding. You proved you dont know what you are even talking about.

Democratic and liberal support for John McCain in 2008

Senator John McCain, the Republican Party nominee, was endorsed or supported by some members of the Democratic Party and by some political figures holding liberal views in the 2008 United States Presidential Election. McCain Democrat and McCainocrat are terms applied to Democrats who supported McCain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_l...
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33408 Aug 31, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I agree 110% It's about buying votes & power. All the more motivation for term limits among other issues.
With the 'government' in control it does at least 2 things; another 'shell' to shuffle money under. And another way to lawfully BUY votes each election while keeping the budget out of balance.
The very sad thing is that improving/expanding health care with Blue Cross, Anthem, Colonial Penn, Nation Wide & others being the functionaries does NOT give the government additional control while expanding coverage with non-government entities which would still serve the public.
EVERYONE wins, but the Dems do not win as much.
A non-obvious issue is that there is also an entirely new department of government employees paid for by the now SCOTUS edict to consume even MORE unsupervised tax payer dollars.
Which will create more monetary movement 'shadows', MORE opportunities of governmental/tax payer waste, MORE cronyism, MORE nepotism, MORE "scratch my back & I'll scratch yours" positioning etc etc.
It is so very sad that politics & keeping ones political position is based so much based & weighted on the vast majority of low intelligent, sound bite voters.
Look at it this way:

People lost their healthcare plans because of Commie Care. So what did they do? They went to Commie Care to get new plans except now, they are subsidized by taxpayers.

So now you are a person who is under Commie Care and saving all kinds of money on your healthcare plan because other people are paying for it, and the Republican presidential nominee is promising to scrap Commie Care. Are you (as a person getting cheaper premiums) going to vote for the Republican candidate?

So sure it helps the Democrats even though people are still getting their plans through the private market. Then take people like me for example who had a plan with their employer, but lost it because of Commie Care. If the Republicans promise and do get rid of it, do you think my employer and thousands if not millions of employers who got out of the business of healthcare for their employees will start coverage again?
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#33409 Aug 31, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at it this way:
People lost their healthcare plans because of Commie Care. So what did they do? They went to Commie Care to get new plans except now, they are subsidized by taxpayers.
So now you are a person who is under Commie Care and saving all kinds of money on your healthcare plan because other people are paying for it, and the Republican presidential nominee is promising to scrap Commie Care. Are you (as a person getting cheaper premiums) going to vote for the Republican candidate?
So sure it helps the Democrats even though people are still getting their plans through the private market. Then take people like me for example who had a plan with their employer, but lost it because of Commie Care. If the Republicans promise and do get rid of it, do you think my employer and thousands if not millions of employers who got out of the business of healthcare for their employees will start coverage again?
You lost it because of the owners greed or the huge costs he got tired of paying for all of those conditions that you caused because of poor lifestyle choices. It's nobody's fault but your own. Man up you fatboy crybaby.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Seville, OH

#33410 Aug 31, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Outstanding. You proved you dont know what you are even talking about.
Democratic and liberal support for John McCain in 2008
Senator John McCain, the Republican Party nominee, was endorsed or supported by some members of the Democratic Party and by some political figures holding liberal views in the 2008 United States Presidential Election. McCain Democrat and McCainocrat are terms applied to Democrats who supported McCain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_l...
That interesting, but it doesn't tell us on what issues McCain was to the left of Obama. You said you voted for Obama because McCain was too far left. Come on man, there must be one or two issues that you can easily point to that explain your position. Unless of course, you are completely full of shit. That would explain this quite well, actually.
Undercover Bro

Akron, OH

#33411 Aug 31, 2014
McSame McCain was AGAINST raising the GI BILL EDUCATION BENEFITS - OBAMMY RAISED THEM ANYWAY! WE LOVES OBAMMY!
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#33412 Aug 31, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Still trying to come up with those issues where McCain was to the left of Obama or did you just give up?
Here were the big differences between the two, back in 2008:

"McCain was a prominent and ardent supporter of the decision to invade Iraq and vows to keep U.S. troops there until the war is won. He recently said 2013 was a reasonable date for achieving that goal and ending U.S. involvement.

Obama, an Illinois senator, was an early opponent of the war who has promised to remove U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.

The chasm is similar on taxes. McCain supports extending President George W. Bush's cuts and cutting corporate tax rates, while Obama would let Bush's cuts expire for wealthy Americans -- those making more than $250,000 annually -- and raise capital gains tax rates, another item that normally affects primarily high-income earners.

McCain, an Arizona senator, opposed Bush's cuts when they were passed in 2001 and 2003 because he said they would increase the budget deficit and disproportionately favor the wealthy. He supports extending them now, saying they would offer help to a struggling economy.

The two already have clashed over Obama's opposition to McCain's idea of a summer holiday from the federal gasoline tax. Obama called it a political stunt that would provide little help, while McCain said the idea could give a slight boost to struggling families seeking a vacation.

Obama also would renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, blamed by some Democrats and labor unions for costing U.S. jobs. McCain opposes amending the pact and says it has been beneficial.

The two candidates have sharply different approaches to health care reform, which consistently ranks as the second-biggest domestic issue after the economy in national opinion polls.

McCain would use tax credits to help shift from employer-based insurance coverage to an open market system where people can choose from competing policies.

Obama would keep the existing job-based system and expand government involvement. He supports universal health coverage for the 47 million Americans without insurance, although he would only require coverage for children."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/06/04/us-...

I don't see McCain being to the "left" of Obama on any of those issues. Maybe our friend from Indianapolis can point out a specific issue where that was the case.

Interesting that some here think of Obama as a very liberal President, but he wound up endorsing some of of McCain's positions when he became President. In the name of compromise, Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent and went for McCain's "open market system" in healthcare (instead of the single-payer plan favored by most Democrats.)

It's also good to remember that McCain was right about the effect of the Bush tax cuts, when he said they "would increase the budget deficit and disproportionately favor the wealthy."

I think McCain might have made a good President, but he made a terrible mistake when he selected Palin for his Vice President. It was a reckless stunt. She was not equipped to become President if if he had been unable to serve his term.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33413 Aug 31, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
I think McCain might have made a good President, but he made a terrible mistake when he selected Palin for his Vice President. It was a reckless stunt. She was not equipped to become President if if he had been unable to serve his term.
For one, not many people vote on a president because of the VP running mate. Two, it didn't matter who the Republicans ran with because everybody was still voting against Bush. And three, if McCain won and something terrible happened to him making Palin our President, she would have done a ten times better job than this moron in the White House we have today.
d pantz

United States

#33414 Aug 31, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
That interesting, but it doesn't tell us on what issues McCain was to the left of Obama. You said you voted for Obama because McCain was too far left. Come on man, there must be one or two issues that you can easily point to that explain your position..
Seeing the left all gun ho about bombing Iraq, Syria, and now taking sides in Russian conflict I would say foreign policy but during the campaign you would've never known that the president is a liar.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#33415 Aug 31, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
I think McCain might have made a good President, but he made a terrible mistake when he selected Palin for his Vice President. It was a reckless stunt. She was not equipped to become President if if he had been unable to serve his term.
After Obama won the Dem nomination, I predicted to the office mgr where I then worked that McCain would pick a minority for a running mate. She thought that I was koo-koo.
I had no idea who it would be.
Still don't know why he chose Palin over any others on his list.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#33416 Aug 31, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
For one, not many people vote on a president because of the VP running mate.
When the candidate is an old man, the chance of a VP becoming President is much greater. I think many who liked McCain thought Palin was not equipped to be President.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Two, it didn't matter who the Republicans ran with because everybody was still voting against Bush.
Everybody except for the 46% that voted for McCain. That election could have gone either way.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
And three, if McCain won and something terrible happened to him making Palin our President, she would have done a ten times better job than this moron in the White House we have today.
Palin is an uneducated, inexperienced bimbo with an inflated sense of of her own competence. But I can understand why you like her...

“ I LOVE LIBERALS”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#33417 Aug 31, 2014
"Still don't know why he chose Palin over any others on his list. "

Four reasons McCain chose SARAH:

1. She is a WOMAN

2. She was a successful Governor (He is a legislator)

3. McCain needed to "shake up" the country's prevailing campaign mood

4. McCain was in trouble with the republican party base & was in danger of either that base not voting or bolting to a third party.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33418 Aug 31, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> After Obama won the Dem nomination, I predicted to the office mgr where I then worked that McCain would pick a minority for a running mate. She thought that I was koo-koo.
I had no idea who it would be.
Still don't know why he chose Palin over any others on his list.
Because what McCain realized is that our elections are not about ideas and solutions. Our elections are about popularity. How does one look? How does one dress? How does one speak?

McCain is an older guy and while he speaks okay, he doesn't necessarily have the ability to move people. He also realized he would have trouble getting conservatives out to vote for him.

So along comes Sarah Palin. A much younger person and very pretty to boot. She had that cheerleading speaking ability to rile the crowd and held the conservative views that McCain lacked. She was perfect for the position. She had all the things that McCain didn't have.

Now if our elections were about ideas and solutions, and we had conscious and sober voters, then yes, McCain could have made a better choice. But out of all the people running for the presidential nomination on the Democrat side, they chose the candidate with the least experience and ideas. So what does that tell you about our electorate?

“ I LOVE LIBERALS”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#33419 Aug 31, 2014
"Still don't know why he chose Palin over any others on his list."

FOUR reasons McCain selected SARAH:

1. She is a WOMAN

2. His campaign was on stall mode

3. He needed to appeal to right wingers, such as myself, to keep us from bolting to a third party.

4. She was a successful state governor, whereas, he is a legislator
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#33420 Aug 31, 2014
DON W SOUTH wrote:
She was a successful Governor.
What do you consider Sarah Palin's main successes as Governor? I know that she successfully resigned after only two years in office.
Canton

Canton, OH

#33421 Aug 31, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Because what McCain realized is that our elections are not about ideas and solutions. Our elections are about popularity. How does one look? How does one dress? How does one speak?
McCain is an older guy and while he speaks okay, he doesn't necessarily have the ability to move people. He also realized he would have trouble getting conservatives out to vote for him.
So along comes Sarah Palin. A much younger person and very pretty to boot. She had that cheerleading speaking ability to rile the crowd and held the conservative views that McCain lacked. She was perfect for the position. She had all the things that McCain didn't have.
Now if our elections were about ideas and solutions, and we had conscious and sober voters, then yes, McCain could have made a better choice. But out of all the people running for the presidential nomination on the Democrat side, they chose the candidate with the least experience and ideas. So what does that tell you about our electorate?
You have forgotten number 5. The Koch Brothers bought her a ticket to ride and the slack jawed , gun hoarding Bible voters loved her catchy oil lobby sponsored catch phrases.

Here's two of the reasons she made it as far as she did, right now. Well informed by the looks of them...

Canton

Canton, OH

#33422 Aug 31, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Seville, OH

#33423 Aug 31, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Because what McCain realized is that our elections are not about ideas and solutions. Our elections are about popularity. How does one look? How does one dress? How does one speak?
McCain is an older guy and while he speaks okay, he doesn't necessarily have the ability to move people. He also realized he would have trouble getting conservatives out to vote for him.
So along comes Sarah Palin. A much younger person and very pretty to boot. She had that cheerleading speaking ability to rile the crowd and held the conservative views that McCain lacked. She was perfect for the position. She had all the things that McCain didn't have.
Now if our elections were about ideas and solutions, and we had conscious and sober voters, then yes, McCain could have made a better choice. But out of all the people running for the presidential nomination on the Democrat side, they chose the candidate with the least experience and ideas. So what does that tell you about our electorate?
McCain's desperate appeal to the unconscious and drunk voters certainly worked on you.
Abe Lincoln

Columbus, OH

#33424 Aug 31, 2014
Kasich is the best by far. No one else is capable of bringing business to Ohio. Strickland is great for sending it away.

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