Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33397 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>all I can tell you is go back and go through videos where McCain is talking and listen to McCain talk then you will understand he is a Leftist and like the saying says "Birds of a feather flock together"(keating five).
Still trying to come up with those issues where McCain was to the left of Obama or did you just give up?
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33398 Aug 30, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I understand that. It just helps to make me cynical about ANY government control of just about anything.
To segue, That is a strong reason that I am against the ACA. Several parts of it are fine. But why does the 'government' need to control it with, of all entities, the IRS enforcing it? Why not just mandate that the insurance companies adjust coverages? Insurance companies already have the software, hardware, personnel, records & more. They also have more oversite than OUR government will ever have.
Well Pops, you've answered your own question believe it or not.

This idiocy has nothing to do with healthcare. Democrat politicians could give a crap less if you or anybody else has healthcare coverage. It has to do with more government control and creating more government dependents. That's all it was ever about. As I have said repeatedly here, the more government dependent people, the more likely Democrat voters in the future.

Leaving this to the private sector would be counter to their ultimate goal. They don't want the private sector even involved in healthcare. So in Commie Care, there is a clause that all insurance companies must use 80% of their premium collections specifically to pay medical bills.

Insurance companies cannot run like that. If that were the best business model, insurance companies would have done that long ago. But what insurance companies do is invest premium money, and use the profits to offset their medical payouts. They pay their own investigators to find fraud which is something our government doesn't do. They advertise to get more clients.

You can't operate that way with only 20% of your premium collections and the Socialists knew this right from the start. That's why premiums are skyrocketing and will increase even more in the future; because the Commies designed this to eventually put them out of business so we all will have to depend on government for our healthcare.
Pops

Dayton, OH

#33399 Aug 30, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Pops, you've answered your own question believe it or not.
This idiocy has nothing to do with healthcare. Democrat politicians could give a crap less if you or anybody else has healthcare coverage. It has to do with more government control and creating more government dependents. That's all it was ever about. As I have said repeatedly here, the more government dependent people, the more likely Democrat voters in the future.
Leaving this to the private sector would be counter to their ultimate goal. They don't want the private sector even involved in healthcare.
I agree 110% It's about buying votes & power. All the more motivation for term limits among other issues.
With the 'government' in control it does at least 2 things; another 'shell' to shuffle money under. And another way to lawfully BUY votes each election while keeping the budget out of balance.
The very sad thing is that improving/expanding health care with Blue Cross, Anthem, Colonial Penn, Nation Wide & others being the functionaries does NOT give the government additional control while expanding coverage with non-government entities which would still serve the public.
EVERYONE wins, but the Dems do not win as much.
A non-obvious issue is that there is also an entirely new department of government employees paid for by the now SCOTUS edict to consume even MORE unsupervised tax payer dollars.
Which will create more monetary movement 'shadows', MORE opportunities of governmental/tax payer waste, MORE cronyism, MORE nepotism, MORE "scratch my back & I'll scratch yours" positioning etc etc.
It is so very sad that politics & keeping ones political position is based so much based & weighted on the vast majority of low intelligent, sound bite voters.

Since: Aug 11

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#33400 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Still trying to come up with those issues where McCain was to the left of Obama or did you just give up?
Just look at yourself and then you will realize want McCain is like.

Since: Dec 13

Medina, OH

#33401 Aug 30, 2014
Frankly, I'm just trollin' for some KFC and crack here

I know one a you white boys can help me out

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#33402 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
Frankly, I'm just trollin' for some KFC and crack here
I know one a you white boys can help me out
you mean black boys

Since: Dec 13

Medina, OH

#33403 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>you mean black boys
Helllll no

They wants it for free

like everythang else

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#33404 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Helllll no
They wants it for free
like everythang else
True, they are that way in the Canton/Akron Area too.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33405 Aug 30, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I agree 110% It's about buying votes & power. All the more motivation for term limits among other issues.
With the 'government' in control it does at least 2 things; another 'shell' to shuffle money under. And another way to lawfully BUY votes each election while keeping the budget out of balance.
The very sad thing is that improving/expanding health care with Blue Cross, Anthem, Colonial Penn, Nation Wide & others being the functionaries does NOT give the government additional control while expanding coverage with non-government entities which would still serve the public.
EVERYONE wins, but the Dems do not win as much.
A non-obvious issue is that there is also an entirely new department of government employees paid for by the now SCOTUS edict to consume even MORE unsupervised tax payer dollars.
Which will create more monetary movement 'shadows', MORE opportunities of governmental/tax payer waste, MORE cronyism, MORE nepotism, MORE "scratch my back & I'll scratch yours" positioning etc etc.
It is so very sad that politics & keeping ones political position is based so much based & weighted on the vast majority of low intelligent, sound bite voters.
None of that in the private sector.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33406 Aug 30, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Just look at yourself and then you will realize want McCain is like.
Outstanding. You are completely befuddled.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#33407 Aug 30, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Outstanding. You are completely befuddled.
Outstanding. You proved you dont know what you are even talking about.

Democratic and liberal support for John McCain in 2008

Senator John McCain, the Republican Party nominee, was endorsed or supported by some members of the Democratic Party and by some political figures holding liberal views in the 2008 United States Presidential Election. McCain Democrat and McCainocrat are terms applied to Democrats who supported McCain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_l...
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33408 Aug 31, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I agree 110% It's about buying votes & power. All the more motivation for term limits among other issues.
With the 'government' in control it does at least 2 things; another 'shell' to shuffle money under. And another way to lawfully BUY votes each election while keeping the budget out of balance.
The very sad thing is that improving/expanding health care with Blue Cross, Anthem, Colonial Penn, Nation Wide & others being the functionaries does NOT give the government additional control while expanding coverage with non-government entities which would still serve the public.
EVERYONE wins, but the Dems do not win as much.
A non-obvious issue is that there is also an entirely new department of government employees paid for by the now SCOTUS edict to consume even MORE unsupervised tax payer dollars.
Which will create more monetary movement 'shadows', MORE opportunities of governmental/tax payer waste, MORE cronyism, MORE nepotism, MORE "scratch my back & I'll scratch yours" positioning etc etc.
It is so very sad that politics & keeping ones political position is based so much based & weighted on the vast majority of low intelligent, sound bite voters.
Look at it this way:

People lost their healthcare plans because of Commie Care. So what did they do? They went to Commie Care to get new plans except now, they are subsidized by taxpayers.

So now you are a person who is under Commie Care and saving all kinds of money on your healthcare plan because other people are paying for it, and the Republican presidential nominee is promising to scrap Commie Care. Are you (as a person getting cheaper premiums) going to vote for the Republican candidate?

So sure it helps the Democrats even though people are still getting their plans through the private market. Then take people like me for example who had a plan with their employer, but lost it because of Commie Care. If the Republicans promise and do get rid of it, do you think my employer and thousands if not millions of employers who got out of the business of healthcare for their employees will start coverage again?
woo-boy

Van Wert, OH

#33409 Aug 31, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at it this way:
People lost their healthcare plans because of Commie Care. So what did they do? They went to Commie Care to get new plans except now, they are subsidized by taxpayers.
So now you are a person who is under Commie Care and saving all kinds of money on your healthcare plan because other people are paying for it, and the Republican presidential nominee is promising to scrap Commie Care. Are you (as a person getting cheaper premiums) going to vote for the Republican candidate?
So sure it helps the Democrats even though people are still getting their plans through the private market. Then take people like me for example who had a plan with their employer, but lost it because of Commie Care. If the Republicans promise and do get rid of it, do you think my employer and thousands if not millions of employers who got out of the business of healthcare for their employees will start coverage again?
You lost it because of the owners greed or the huge costs he got tired of paying for all of those conditions that you caused because of poor lifestyle choices. It's nobody's fault but your own. Man up you fatboy crybaby.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#33410 Aug 31, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Outstanding. You proved you dont know what you are even talking about.
Democratic and liberal support for John McCain in 2008
Senator John McCain, the Republican Party nominee, was endorsed or supported by some members of the Democratic Party and by some political figures holding liberal views in the 2008 United States Presidential Election. McCain Democrat and McCainocrat are terms applied to Democrats who supported McCain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_l...
That interesting, but it doesn't tell us on what issues McCain was to the left of Obama. You said you voted for Obama because McCain was too far left. Come on man, there must be one or two issues that you can easily point to that explain your position. Unless of course, you are completely full of shit. That would explain this quite well, actually.
Undercover Bro

Akron, OH

#33411 Aug 31, 2014
McSame McCain was AGAINST raising the GI BILL EDUCATION BENEFITS - OBAMMY RAISED THEM ANYWAY! WE LOVES OBAMMY!
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#33412 Aug 31, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Still trying to come up with those issues where McCain was to the left of Obama or did you just give up?
Here were the big differences between the two, back in 2008:

"McCain was a prominent and ardent supporter of the decision to invade Iraq and vows to keep U.S. troops there until the war is won. He recently said 2013 was a reasonable date for achieving that goal and ending U.S. involvement.

Obama, an Illinois senator, was an early opponent of the war who has promised to remove U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.

The chasm is similar on taxes. McCain supports extending President George W. Bush's cuts and cutting corporate tax rates, while Obama would let Bush's cuts expire for wealthy Americans -- those making more than $250,000 annually -- and raise capital gains tax rates, another item that normally affects primarily high-income earners.

McCain, an Arizona senator, opposed Bush's cuts when they were passed in 2001 and 2003 because he said they would increase the budget deficit and disproportionately favor the wealthy. He supports extending them now, saying they would offer help to a struggling economy.

The two already have clashed over Obama's opposition to McCain's idea of a summer holiday from the federal gasoline tax. Obama called it a political stunt that would provide little help, while McCain said the idea could give a slight boost to struggling families seeking a vacation.

Obama also would renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, blamed by some Democrats and labor unions for costing U.S. jobs. McCain opposes amending the pact and says it has been beneficial.

The two candidates have sharply different approaches to health care reform, which consistently ranks as the second-biggest domestic issue after the economy in national opinion polls.

McCain would use tax credits to help shift from employer-based insurance coverage to an open market system where people can choose from competing policies.

Obama would keep the existing job-based system and expand government involvement. He supports universal health coverage for the 47 million Americans without insurance, although he would only require coverage for children."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/06/04/us-...

I don't see McCain being to the "left" of Obama on any of those issues. Maybe our friend from Indianapolis can point out a specific issue where that was the case.

Interesting that some here think of Obama as a very liberal President, but he wound up endorsing some of of McCain's positions when he became President. In the name of compromise, Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent and went for McCain's "open market system" in healthcare (instead of the single-payer plan favored by most Democrats.)

It's also good to remember that McCain was right about the effect of the Bush tax cuts, when he said they "would increase the budget deficit and disproportionately favor the wealthy."

I think McCain might have made a good President, but he made a terrible mistake when he selected Palin for his Vice President. It was a reckless stunt. She was not equipped to become President if if he had been unable to serve his term.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#33413 Aug 31, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
I think McCain might have made a good President, but he made a terrible mistake when he selected Palin for his Vice President. It was a reckless stunt. She was not equipped to become President if if he had been unable to serve his term.
For one, not many people vote on a president because of the VP running mate. Two, it didn't matter who the Republicans ran with because everybody was still voting against Bush. And three, if McCain won and something terrible happened to him making Palin our President, she would have done a ten times better job than this moron in the White House we have today.
d pantz

United States

#33414 Aug 31, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
That interesting, but it doesn't tell us on what issues McCain was to the left of Obama. You said you voted for Obama because McCain was too far left. Come on man, there must be one or two issues that you can easily point to that explain your position..
Seeing the left all gun ho about bombing Iraq, Syria, and now taking sides in Russian conflict I would say foreign policy but during the campaign you would've never known that the president is a liar.
Pops

Dayton, OH

#33415 Aug 31, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
I think McCain might have made a good President, but he made a terrible mistake when he selected Palin for his Vice President. It was a reckless stunt. She was not equipped to become President if if he had been unable to serve his term.
After Obama won the Dem nomination, I predicted to the office mgr where I then worked that McCain would pick a minority for a running mate. She thought that I was koo-koo.
I had no idea who it would be.
Still don't know why he chose Palin over any others on his list.
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#33416 Aug 31, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
For one, not many people vote on a president because of the VP running mate.
When the candidate is an old man, the chance of a VP becoming President is much greater. I think many who liked McCain thought Palin was not equipped to be President.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Two, it didn't matter who the Republicans ran with because everybody was still voting against Bush.
Everybody except for the 46% that voted for McCain. That election could have gone either way.
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
And three, if McCain won and something terrible happened to him making Palin our President, she would have done a ten times better job than this moron in the White House we have today.
Palin is an uneducated, inexperienced bimbo with an inflated sense of of her own competence. But I can understand why you like her...

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