Canton

Canton, OH

#24112 Jan 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the thing for me: when you mix politics with anything, always suspect a rat in the room. I have no problem with man-made global warming provided it has some kind of evidence. Rain, snow or wind is not evidence to me.
While I have no religion even though I was raised Catholic, I do believe that this world was created by a supreme being. I believe that supreme being put all life here and gave us a planet that would accommodate our needs. Does it work perfect all the time? No, but that's what paradise is supposed to be.
Non believers call this "nature" or perhaps "mother nature." I don't believe for one minute that this supreme gave us the power to destroy this planet. We can end mans existence, animals and insects, but we don't have the power to destroy this planet. Even if we ended all life here, eventually, it will start again if it is God's will.
I also believe that God (mother nature) has a cleansing process we've yet to understand. It's been going on for many centuries after volcanic activity, fires and all that carbon dioxide that we and animals breathe out of our bodies. So they say, water vapor is one of the worst culprits of global warming. How has all this cleaned itself up these millions of years?
I don't believe climate change started during the industrial buildup of this world, I believe that climate change is as old as the earth itself. And even if we stopped every motorized vehicle, closed down every factory, we would still have climate change.
Speaking of which, how much money would we have to payout to satisfy environmentalists? 10 trillion, 50 trillion, 100 trillion? What? Because if there is no end game here, all we are really doing is burning up our money to stop something we have no ability to stop.
Do you believe that Jesus was God's son? Is that what you mean when you say "non-believers", because I, like the majority of the founders of this nation, consider myself a Deist. That's my own personal belief, and like all religion, it is why it doesn't belong any way near a science class or a political speech or in Sarah Palin's case when she was selling a pipeline in front of her church congregation as being "God's will", an energy industry corporate agenda..
Canton

Canton, OH

#24113 Jan 19, 2014
There is obvious and very clear evidence that the industrial revolution was the start of our climate changing, and the fact that the planet's climate has changed in the past, doesn't change this scientifically proven fact. I think people owe the future generations of young people a little more of a try than to throw our hands in the air and say there's nothing anyone can ever do about it. Did you know that Exxon Mobile doesn't consider itself an American company? Are you aware that the rightwing Conservative group called Citizens United got something passed that allows foreign corporations to donate unlimited amounts of money to our American elections without disclosing how much or where it came from? That means China, or anyone out of our country for that matter, could be swaying our nations elections. Does this sound American to you? Are these wealthy out of country contributions coming from the "Patriots" I always hear you guys talking about? Is the oil billionaire sponsored Tea Party really what anyone would call grassroots? This is all about corporate and religious agendas, fueled by people who are willing to enforce fascism on this country to get what they think is best for them. Before you randomly start blurting out liar, I worked for Citizens United and shook David Bossie's slimy hand. I have seen behind the curtain of the real face of rightwing Conservatism and can tell you first hand that they are responsible for selling out America.
Canton

Canton, OH

#24114 Jan 19, 2014
The "job creators" realized decades ago that money doesn't give a rat's @ss about any country's borders in this global econmy, yet these offshore "patriots" are the first to wave their little flags and blame the American workers.
Canton

Canton, OH

#24115 Jan 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the thing for me: when you mix politics with anything, always suspect a rat in the room. I have no problem with man-made global warming provided it has some kind of evidence. Rain, snow or wind is not evidence to me.
While I have no religion even though I was raised Catholic, I do believe that this world was created by a supreme being. I believe that supreme being put all life here and gave us a planet that would accommodate our needs. Does it work perfect all the time? No, but that's what paradise is supposed to be.
Non believers call this "nature" or perhaps "mother nature." I don't believe for one minute that this supreme gave us the power to destroy this planet. We can end mans existence, animals and insects, but we don't have the power to destroy this planet. Even if we ended all life here, eventually, it will start again if it is God's will.
I also believe that God (mother nature) has a cleansing process we've yet to understand. It's been going on for many centuries after volcanic activity, fires and all that carbon dioxide that we and animals breathe out of our bodies. So they say, water vapor is one of the worst culprits of global warming. How has all this cleaned itself up these millions of years?
I don't believe climate change started during the industrial buildup of this world, I believe that climate change is as old as the earth itself. And even if we stopped every motorized vehicle, closed down every factory, we would still have climate change.
Speaking of which, how much money would we have to payout to satisfy environmentalists? 10 trillion, 50 trillion, 100 trillion? What? Because if there is no end game here, all we are really doing is burning up our money to stop something we have no ability to stop.
How much should we spend on our environment? How about we start with the millions of dollars the oil industry spent to refute climate change. A stance they since then have completely abandoned. At least publically that is. Now that they can hide where the money is coming from, it has been proven that they are playing both sides of the fence when it comes to climate change. Let me know if you need a source on that.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#24117 Jan 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no problem with man-made global warming provided it has some kind of evidence.
Here is a summary of the evidence that has persuaded the vast majority of climate scientists that global warming is real:

"Sea level rise

Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.

Global temperature rise

All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880. Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years. Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase.
Warming oceans

The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.

Shrinking ice sheets

The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.

Declining Arctic sea ice

Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.

Glacial retreat

Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.

Extreme events

The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.

Ocean acidification

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent. This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Additionally, scientists are able to examine atmospheric CO2 levels over the past 650,000 years. During all that time, it was never greater than 300 parts per million, until the middle of the 20th Century. It currently is at almost 400 parts per million and continues to rise.

Is this enough evidence for you?

Since: Jan 14

Chillicothe, OH

#24118 Jan 19, 2014
I can't think of any climate change more extreme than the five Ice Ages that the earth has supposedly experienced. The glaciers melted after each one, too. The next Ice Age is due in about 50,000 years.

There's a reason global warming scientists have to lie about their research, ya know. It's not real.
Canton

Canton, OH

#24119 Jan 19, 2014
Super Mutt wrote:
I can't think of any climate change more extreme than the five Ice Ages that the earth has supposedly experienced. The glaciers melted after each one, too. The next Ice Age is due in about 50,000 years.
There's a reason global warming scientists have to lie about their research, ya know. It's not real.
Strange though that the reason you know about ice ages is because you learned it from those scientist "liars". Perhaps they only lie when you need them to.
Canton

Canton, OH

#24120 Jan 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't ask where we should start. We started decades ago. I asked where it will end.
Well...which of these can man survive without...

Air
Water
Oil

Now how concerned should we be about the folks who make abstract amounts of money off of oil, while destroying the air and water? I'm thinking breathable air and drinkable water might even be slightly more important than Obama's birth certificate.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#24121 Jan 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Well...which of these can man survive without...
Air
Water
Oil
Now how concerned should we be about the folks who make abstract amounts of money off of oil, while destroying the air and water? I'm thinking breathable air and drinkable water might even be slightly more important than Obama's birth certificate.
hmmm

How long do you think you will "survive" if oil suddenly becomes unavailable?

For instance, do you think food magically appears on the shelf at your grocery store?

What do you think that keyboard you regularly spew on is made of?

No doubt you would like to do away with all fossil fuels so forget about heat and electricity as well.

Here is obama on video telling you about his plan to save the planet.



No doubt you are not worried about the cost of utilities "skyrocketing" but I bet your Mom is........
UgottaGimmeThat

Van Wert, OH

#24124 Jan 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
If it's so easy, why don't you try it sometime? I see your posts here throughout the day so obviously you don't have a job. Heck, some places are willing to train you and pay you at the same time.
Like everything else in life, the point I was making flew right over your head: There are jobs out there, it's just we have more and more people who don't want to work. Democrat leadership is making this a lazy country. Many companies are starting to bring in foreigners because those people are too happy to have a job. With Americans, it has to be a certain job, with certain hours, with certain benefits, within a certain distance from home, or they'll just go on some public program.
It's a damn shame what's happening to our country.
You do realize it's Sunday, and some people get days off, right?
It's okay though, you and banjo boy just keep telling yourselves that anyone who disagrees with you MUST be unemployed. It's the only card you really have left to play...
I'll keep living my life, with money I actually EARNED, and laughing right in your uneducated teabagger faces.:-)

Since: Aug 12

United States

#24125 Jan 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
The "job creators" realized decades ago that money doesn't give a rat's @ss about any country's borders in this global econmy, yet these offshore "patriots" are the first to wave their little flags and blame the American workers.
So why do democrats keep incentivizing job creators to go offshore?
UgottaGimmeThat

Van Wert, OH

#24126 Jan 19, 2014
"The new truck driver is college educated, and he smells great too", said no job creator EVER...

Since: Aug 12

United States

#24127 Jan 19, 2014
UgottaGimmeThat wrote:
"The new truck driver is college educated, and he smells great too", said no job creator EVER...
Do you realize you've never said one intelligent thing ever? You're always in the 4th grader that flunked twice persona.
UgottaGimmeThat

Van Wert, OH

#24129 Jan 19, 2014
UdintBuildThat wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you realize you've never said one intelligent thing ever? You're always in the 4th grader that flunked twice persona.
I have more intelligence in my pinky finger than your entire trailer park combined, banjo boy. Deal with it.
I know you're pretty much out of insults at this point, but if you dig deep into your greatgrandpappy's farmer welfare hand-me-down bag of tricks, maybe you'll get lucky...
UgottaGimmeThat

Van Wert, OH

#24130 Jan 19, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh come on. I see your posts various times throughout the work week. THE ONLY time you see me post in the mornings or early afternoons is on the weekend, holidays or if I happen to be taking a vacation day which is rare except on Thanksgiving or Christmas week.
You know I am right which is why you try to change the subject. There are jobs out there that Americans won't put the effort into getting. That's too much to ask of an American. We have a situation of people who "claim" they want to work and employers who are looking for workers they can't find. Can't you put two and two together?
Keep telling yourself that, little trucker buddy.
It's not like you've ever been DEAD WRONG and unable to admit it before, right?

ROFLMAO!!!

Since: Aug 12

United States

#24131 Jan 19, 2014
UgottaGimmeThat wrote:
<quoted text>Keep telling yourself that, little trucker buddy.
It's not like you've ever been DEAD WRONG and unable to admit it before, right?
ROFLMAO!!!
Yet another 4th grade flunky rant. Congrats!

Since: Aug 12

United States

#24132 Jan 19, 2014
UgottaGimmeThat wrote:
<quoted text>I have more intelligence in my pinky finger than your entire trailer park combined, banjo boy. Deal with it.
I know you're pretty much out of insults at this point, but if you dig deep into your greatgrandpappy's farmer welfare hand-me-down bag of tricks, maybe you'll get lucky...
Envy envy envy envy.....
Some more envy envy envy envy.....
Why dont your rules for radicals work on me????

Since: Jan 14

Chillicothe, OH

#24133 Jan 19, 2014
Canton wrote:
Strange though that the reason you know about ice ages is because you learned it from those scientist "liars". Perhaps they only lie when you need them to.
Well, you seem to depend a lot on the scientists. So, how do you explain their claim that extreme climate changes occurred thousands and millions of years ago ... long before SUVs? One would reasonably conclude -- if one were reasonable, that is -- that extreme climate changes are a natural occurrence.
Canton

Canton, OH

#24134 Jan 19, 2014
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
hmmm
How long do you think you will "survive" if oil suddenly becomes unavailable?
For instance, do you think food magically appears on the shelf at your grocery store?
What do you think that keyboard you regularly spew on is made of?
No doubt you would like to do away with all fossil fuels so forget about heat and electricity as well.
Here is obama on video telling you about his plan to save the planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HlTxGHn4sH4XX
No doubt you are not worried about the cost of utilities "skyrocketing" but I bet your Mom is........
Oh no...other than fine and dandy for thousands of years before, how will man ever survive by riding horses and no electricity? Let's ask the Amish. Not that being chained to numerous wars in the Middle East due to an oil industry and Christian agenda hasn't been good for America so far...right? If it wasn't for the oil industry cck blocking any attempt to find alternative energy sources for this country in the past, America might not seem like it's in the stone age when compared to Europe's successful energy programs.
Canton

Canton, OH

#24135 Jan 19, 2014
There are folks right now who get paid by the electric company for the surplus energy their solar panels produce. That's called real freedom. Now preach to us about the liberty of being an oil billionaire's foot stool.

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