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xxxrayted

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<quoted text>There were 788 amendments filed to modify Obamacare(ie. Heritage Foundation). 67 were filed from the Dems.- and 721 were from the Reps. 197 amendments were passed- 36 from Dems. and 161 from Reps. Their filthy lying paws are all over it.
When the Senate health, education, labor, and pensions committee passed its health care bill Wednesday, the Obama administration hailed it as a "bipartisan" effort. No matter that it passed the panel on a strictly party-line vote, with all 13 Democrats voting for and all 10 Republicans voting against. It was bipartisan, administration officials explained, because it contained 160 Republican amendments. Republican senators said that characterization was absurd. After all, they said, most of the 160 amendments were technical, rather than substantive, changes. Lisa Murkowsi of Alaska told the New York Times that, while it was "pretty impressive" that 20 of her amendments were accepted, "they were all technical."

Who's right? There's no real way to resolve this debate without examining the content of these amendments, and the committee has yet to officially release them. But a Senate Republican source sent Slate a summary of many of the amendments, with a short description of each.(Download the Excel file here.) Disclaimer: This is an incomplete list. Of the 788 amendments filed, only 437 appear here. And of the 161 GOP amendments passed or accepted, we have confirmed only 80 as such. We hope to update the document as more information becomes available.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
xxxrayted

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Canton wrote:
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Seeing how all my Democrat, tax paying, home owning friends are all still working, Obama's evil plan to (insert crazed Tea Bagger propaganda here) must only have an effect on trust fund babies. Oh no. Wait. Scratch that. Reality is always bragging how well he is doing under Obama, so really it just comes down to a bunch of pissy @ssed hicks like you who don't like black people.
Well, now that everybody is doing so well under DumBama, then perhaps it's time to scale down those Obama phones, those SNAP cards, those welfare checks, unemployment benefits extensions. Sounds good to me!
Republican101

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Well, now that everybody is doing so well under DumBama, then perhaps it's time to scale down those Obama phones, those SNAP cards, those welfare checks, unemployment benefits extensions. Sounds good to me!
How about cutting back on all the unnecessary corporate/farmer welfare while we're at it?
If unemployment is so bad under Commiebama, it's because those "super patriotic job creators" aren't doing their jobs, just like the self entitled hand-me-down farmers who take huge gubment handouts just to NOT work.
Oh, but I'm guessing you're okay with those entitlement programs, right. As long as nobody gets an imaginary Obamaphone... lol
xxxrayted

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Canton wrote:
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Here's a quote from the guy who lied and went to war with the wrong country, on the terrorist behind nearly 3000 Americans being killed.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
Guess we should have been focusing on more important things like birth certificates instead of taking out the number one terrorist on the planet. I know. Let's compare how many US Soldiers who needlessly died in Iraq, to how many died in your desperate and disproven Benghazi "scandal".
Awwwwww. There's those historically documented facts making you look like a clown again.
No, but you ignoring the truth about Seal Team 6 sure does make you look like a clown.

Bush's priorities must have worked a lot better than DumBama's because after 911, we never suffered another terrorist attack in our country during his two terms. Too bad we can't say the same thing about DumBama.
xxxrayted

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Nov 27, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Oh great. Yet another uneducated, paranoid rightwinger is here to share his "expert" opinion on our air, soil, and water. Yawn...
Stick to the simple jobs, like peeing into empty bottles, lil trucker buddy. If we want to hear your greedy corporate cheerleader propaganda, we'll just get it from Reverend LimBeck.
And if we need opinions from welfare recipients, we'll give you a call.
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Republican101 wrote:
<quoted text>How about cutting back on all the unnecessary corporate/farmer welfare while we're at it?
If unemployment is so bad under Commiebama, it's because those "super patriotic job creators" aren't doing their jobs, just like the self entitled hand-me-down farmers who take huge gubment handouts just to NOT work.
Oh, but I'm guessing you're okay with those entitlement programs, right. As long as nobody gets an imaginary Obamaphone... lol
I have less of a problem when government gives something back to producers in our country. I don't when they give to the non-producers like yourself.

Government doesn't create jobs--the private sector does. All government can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector to do so. Since we have the most anti-business President in our lifetime in charge, it won't be until after he leaves office when we can get this country back in the right direction.
Republican101

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Nov 27, 2013
 
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And if we need opinions from welfare recipients, we'll give you a call.
It's a FARM SUBSIDY, not welfare. Git it right, lonely trucker buddy.
xxxrayted

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Nov 27, 2013
 
Republican101 wrote:
<quoted text>It's a FARM SUBSIDY, not welfare. Git it right, lonely trucker buddy.
Why don't you get it right?
Republican101 wrote:
<quoted text>How about cutting back on all the unnecessary corporate/farmer welfare while we're at it?
Pops

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Canton wrote:
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Sh1t. Every single thinking person alive knew Bush and Blair were butt buddies back then. The GOP has been getting busted for their obvious love of all things crude oil longer than you have been alive. Go look up what every single Republican Secretary of Interior has been up to when it comes to just how stupid you sound to me right now. Don't mind all the numerous scandals (not like your kind of scandals, real scandals) that the GOP has been busted at when it comes to the energy industry that Bush deregulated. Look up Kempthorn, Watts, Norton...every single one...busted.
When Bush was in office, I was working for Newt Gingrich at the time. Other than sh1tting green and asking your parents for more money, wonder what you base your "facts" on during that time. You just aren't used to having your powdered wig smacked around by someone who saw clearly behind the curtain of what you stand for.
I was just rereading some posts to se if I missed any & I saw Not Nac. Guess what. That spells Canton backwards Interesting. Wonder if it was on purpose.
Republican101

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Why don't you get it right?
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Obviously, sarcasm flies right over your pointed white hood, so please allow me to explain myself.
A gubment handout is a subsidy if it's going into a patriotic conservative's offshore bank account, and it's welfare if it's going to a pesky undeserving moocher, like a disabled senior, lazy war vet, or a hungry child...
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<quoted text>Obviously, sarcasm flies right over your pointed white hood, so please allow me to explain myself.
A gubment handout is a subsidy if it's going into a patriotic conservative's offshore bank account, and it's welfare if it's going to a pesky undeserving moocher, like a disabled senior, lazy war vet, or a hungry child...
Or a group of people that sell their SNAP cards for cash, or those on unemployment working under the table for cash, or those like my ex-tenants that had four animals and are getting 250 bucks a month in food stamps, or those women who live with their working BF but collect all government goodies including a house in the suburbs because they are not legally married, or those that end up in front of me in the grocery store line that pay for their food with food stamps, then whip out cash for their alcohol, pet food and tobacco purchases.

You weren't being sarcastic, you just got busted.
woo-boy

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xxxrayted wrote:
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Or a group of people that sell their SNAP cards for cash, or those on unemployment working under the table for cash, or those like my ex-tenants that had four animals and are getting 250 bucks a month in food stamps, or those women who live with their working BF but collect all government goodies including a house in the suburbs because they are not legally married, or those that end up in front of me in the grocery store line that pay for their food with food stamps, then whip out cash for their alcohol, pet food and tobacco purchases.
You weren't being sarcastic, you just got busted.
Wow ,it's so obvious why you are such a hateful, spiteful, lying, lonely person that you are. You are nothing but a bald faced liar. For somebody that spends so much time in his precious truck driving little world, you have the mental midget mind of knowing what goes on in every body else's lives. That's called delusion, or being brainwashed.
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Look you two, you have more in common than you want to let on because you two have gotten into opposing each other because 1 of you started name calling. I would wager that it started just like the Hatfields & McCoys, Neither one of you truly know the origin & would argue about that too.
On this issue, I would bet that Neither one of you would condone cheating on these programs but neither would you want to see the deserving to lose out.
I KNOW deserving folks & cheating folks. So I also know that both of you are correct.
The problem as I see it is government over site or the lack there-of. I have thoughts of solutions on this but that is getting away from what I wanted to focus on in my 1st 3 paragraphs.
Well, I had my say about the both of you so I'll shut up until prompted otherwise.
Have a very good Thanksgiving.
I hope that everyone sees as many family & friends as makes you happy!:>D
Republican101

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xxxrayted wrote:
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Or a group of people that sell their SNAP cards for cash, or those on unemployment working under the table for cash, or those like my ex-tenants that had four animals and are getting 250 bucks a month in food stamps, or those women who live with their working BF but collect all government goodies including a house in the suburbs because they are not legally married, or those that end up in front of me in the grocery store line that pay for their food with food stamps, then whip out cash for their alcohol, pet food and tobacco purchases.
You weren't being sarcastic, you just got busted.
Oh right, the good old paranoid teabagger victim mentality routine. Almost forgot about that little gem...
Sounds like someone got burned by lousy tenants and their own bad judgment, so now they see invisible commies at the grocery store. ROFLMAO
Now take yer meds and skip yer weekly shower, trucker buddy. Those empty Gatorade bottles aren't gonna fill themselves with p!ss, ya know...
xxxrayted

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woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Wow ,it's so obvious why you are such a hateful, spiteful, lying, lonely person that you are. You are nothing but a bald faced liar. For somebody that spends so much time in his precious truck driving little world, you have the mental midget mind of knowing what goes on in every body else's lives. That's called delusion, or being brainwashed.
No, it's called being observant. It's called being aware. It's called experience.

It's likely you see none of these things out where you live. But city living is a little more educational. It goes on right in front of your face. This is besides the fact I had a job where I was in the homes of may of these so-called needy people. I know what they live like. They've told me of their scams. They laugh about it.

I remember what went on next door when the landlord there decided to rent section 8. I seen the cars they drove. I was awakened many nights during the working week with drunks coming home at 3:00 am when I was trying to get some sleep. I've seen them on days like today with their windows wide open. Think they were paying for their own heat? They were too damned lazy to turn down their furnace. The window was obviously more convenient. Either that or they were trying to air the place out.

It's not me that creates these images in my head of how the poor live. It's you. But that brings me to a question: if God talked to you before you were born--told you that you would be born poor, but had the choice of what country you would be poor in, what other country would you choose other than the US of A?

How the so-called poor live in the United States:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011...
xxxrayted

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Pops wrote:
Look you two, you have more in common than you want to let on because you two have gotten into opposing each other because 1 of you started name calling. I would wager that it started just like the Hatfields & McCoys, Neither one of you truly know the origin & would argue about that too.
On this issue, I would bet that Neither one of you would condone cheating on these programs but neither would you want to see the deserving to lose out.
I KNOW deserving folks & cheating folks. So I also know that both of you are correct.
The problem as I see it is government over site or the lack there-of. I have thoughts of solutions on this but that is getting away from what I wanted to focus on in my 1st 3 paragraphs.
Well, I had my say about the both of you so I'll shut up until prompted otherwise.
Have a very good Thanksgiving.
I hope that everyone sees as many family & friends as makes you happy!:>D
Back at you Pops. Wishing you and yours a very happy Thanksgiving.

You are absolutely correct. It's imagery.

When a liberal thinks of a poor person, he or she thinks of a guy coming home greasy and dirty from repairing cars all day long. The wife is putting more water in the soup. The husband and his four children sit at the table with the 40 watt light fixture hanging by wires from the ceiling.

When we conservatives think of the poor, we think of what we observe and the link that I posted in my last reply.

Yes, the solution would be to separate the truly poor from the players. But that's not possible.

If you are a welfare worker, and your job depends on people coming in for welfare, is it in your best interest to get them off of public assistance? If you are a politician that depends on the welfare vote, are you going to try and legislate people back to work?

We are probably the only government in the world that actually uses television and radio advertisement to get people on food stamps, welfare, Obama phones, or a number of other government handouts.

Back in the 90's when Newt Gingrich legislated Welfare Reform, it was a very successful program. More people working and contributing to our society than taking out of it. Married couples stayed together longer, first time workers claiming that they felt liberated for the first time in their lives.

The question is, do we still have that today?
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Nov 27, 2013
 
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No, it's called being observant. It's called being aware. It's called experience.
It's likely you see none of these things out where you live. But city living is a little more educational. It goes on right in front of your face. This is besides the fact I had a job where I was in the homes of may of these so-called needy people. I know what they live like. They've told me of their scams. They laugh about it.
I remember what went on next door when the landlord there decided to rent section 8. I seen the cars they drove. I was awakened many nights during the working week with drunks coming home at 3:00 am when I was trying to get some sleep. I've seen them on days like today with their windows wide open. Think they were paying for their own heat? They were too damned lazy to turn down their furnace. The window was obviously more convenient. Either that or they were trying to air the place out.
It's not me that creates these images in my head of how the poor live. It's you. But that brings me to a question: if God talked to you before you were born--told you that you would be born poor, but had the choice of what country you would be poor in, what other country would you choose other than the US of A?
How the so-called poor live in the United States:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011...
Nice try liar. Some people have real brains. Something that you lack.
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Nov 27, 2013
 
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All joking, name calling and politics aside...everyone have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.
We can all get back to our noble and in depth discussion on curing childhood cancer after the holiday.
Anticipating your further participation in discussions today, I saved this reply for last:

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Canton. Happy Thanksgiving to all here. At this time of the year, we tend to forget all the negatives and focus on what we have: friends, family, coworkers, neighbors, financial success if you are so fortunate.

No matter what your plight in life is right now, at the very least, you can give thanks that you were born in the greatest country on earth. And it's people like us that make this the greatest country on earth regardless of your political or social positions. Unlike many people in this country, we care enough to come here and discuss our issues. We vote. We get involved.
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xxxrayted wrote:
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It's imagery.
When a liberal thinks of a poor person, he or she thinks of a guy coming home greasy and dirty from repairing cars all day long. The wife is putting more water in the soup. The husband and his four children sit at the table with the 40 watt light fixture hanging by wires from the ceiling.
When we conservatives think of the poor, we think of what we observe and the link that I posted in my last reply.
Yes, the solution would be to separate the truly poor from the players. But that's not possible.
If you are a welfare worker, and your job depends on people coming in for welfare, is it in your best interest to get them off of public assistance? If you are a politician that depends on the welfare vote, are you going to try and legislate people back to work?
We are probably the only government in the world that actually uses television and radio advertisement to get people on food stamps, welfare, Obama phones, or a number of other government handouts.
Liberals/Progressives may have trouble believing this but I have an entire family of EX-inlaws that LIVE, NOT just survive but LIVE on welfare for FOUR generations. They would inform each other, then as to how to fill out forms, which case workers to see or to avoid to enable them to get the most milk from the government teat.
THIS IS their occupation! To swindle the system created by the compassionate. To take advantage of the benevolent. All of the while, they are getting food stamps, section 8 housing, a medical card, FREE lunches at school etc while owning "Smart Phones", an HD TV, the latest fashions in clothes, To get complete financial support with out breaking a sweat, without answering to an alarm clock, without saying or thinking "Thank You". Instead, the abusers simply look for more & more.
The truly deserving ones end up leaving the support programs as soon as they can because they have self esteem, pride, morals, ethics, & more.
IF we were to put cameras overhead at EVERY case workers work station/desk just like there are cameras at just about EVERY cashiers station at Kroger, Wal-Mart, McDonalds, bank teller station; & record case workers phone conversation ("this call may be recorded for quality assurance") for these same people, WE the U.S. tax payer will see standards & pay outs shift in a proper way.
The same as drug testing for a job or for Welfare. There are few guilty test because those that know that they will flunk will NOT test so the undeserving are under served as it should be with that mind spent.
Consequently, there are more funds available for the more deserving.
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Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I have an entire family of EX-inlaws that LIVE, NOT just survive but LIVE on welfare for FOUR generations. They would inform each other, then as to how to fill out forms, which case workers to see or to avoid to enable them to get the most milk from the government teat.
And you married into this family??? Makes your judgement a bit suspect... Was she cute?

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