Republican101

Van Wert, OH

#22414 Nov 27, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
And if we need opinions from welfare recipients, we'll give you a call.
It's a FARM SUBSIDY, not welfare. Git it right, lonely trucker buddy.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22415 Nov 27, 2013
Republican101 wrote:
<quoted text>It's a FARM SUBSIDY, not welfare. Git it right, lonely trucker buddy.
Why don't you get it right?
Republican101 wrote:
<quoted text>How about cutting back on all the unnecessary corporate/farmer welfare while we're at it?
Pops

Newport, KY

#22416 Nov 27, 2013
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
Sh1t. Every single thinking person alive knew Bush and Blair were butt buddies back then. The GOP has been getting busted for their obvious love of all things crude oil longer than you have been alive. Go look up what every single Republican Secretary of Interior has been up to when it comes to just how stupid you sound to me right now. Don't mind all the numerous scandals (not like your kind of scandals, real scandals) that the GOP has been busted at when it comes to the energy industry that Bush deregulated. Look up Kempthorn, Watts, Norton...every single one...busted.
When Bush was in office, I was working for Newt Gingrich at the time. Other than sh1tting green and asking your parents for more money, wonder what you base your "facts" on during that time. You just aren't used to having your powdered wig smacked around by someone who saw clearly behind the curtain of what you stand for.
I was just rereading some posts to se if I missed any & I saw Not Nac. Guess what. That spells Canton backwards Interesting. Wonder if it was on purpose.
Republican101

Van Wert, OH

#22417 Nov 27, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you get it right?
<quoted text>
Obviously, sarcasm flies right over your pointed white hood, so please allow me to explain myself.
A gubment handout is a subsidy if it's going into a patriotic conservative's offshore bank account, and it's welfare if it's going to a pesky undeserving moocher, like a disabled senior, lazy war vet, or a hungry child...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22418 Nov 27, 2013
Republican101 wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously, sarcasm flies right over your pointed white hood, so please allow me to explain myself.
A gubment handout is a subsidy if it's going into a patriotic conservative's offshore bank account, and it's welfare if it's going to a pesky undeserving moocher, like a disabled senior, lazy war vet, or a hungry child...
Or a group of people that sell their SNAP cards for cash, or those on unemployment working under the table for cash, or those like my ex-tenants that had four animals and are getting 250 bucks a month in food stamps, or those women who live with their working BF but collect all government goodies including a house in the suburbs because they are not legally married, or those that end up in front of me in the grocery store line that pay for their food with food stamps, then whip out cash for their alcohol, pet food and tobacco purchases.

You weren't being sarcastic, you just got busted.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#22419 Nov 27, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Or a group of people that sell their SNAP cards for cash, or those on unemployment working under the table for cash, or those like my ex-tenants that had four animals and are getting 250 bucks a month in food stamps, or those women who live with their working BF but collect all government goodies including a house in the suburbs because they are not legally married, or those that end up in front of me in the grocery store line that pay for their food with food stamps, then whip out cash for their alcohol, pet food and tobacco purchases.
You weren't being sarcastic, you just got busted.
Wow ,it's so obvious why you are such a hateful, spiteful, lying, lonely person that you are. You are nothing but a bald faced liar. For somebody that spends so much time in his precious truck driving little world, you have the mental midget mind of knowing what goes on in every body else's lives. That's called delusion, or being brainwashed.
Pops

Newport, KY

#22420 Nov 27, 2013
Look you two, you have more in common than you want to let on because you two have gotten into opposing each other because 1 of you started name calling. I would wager that it started just like the Hatfields & McCoys, Neither one of you truly know the origin & would argue about that too.
On this issue, I would bet that Neither one of you would condone cheating on these programs but neither would you want to see the deserving to lose out.
I KNOW deserving folks & cheating folks. So I also know that both of you are correct.
The problem as I see it is government over site or the lack there-of. I have thoughts of solutions on this but that is getting away from what I wanted to focus on in my 1st 3 paragraphs.
Well, I had my say about the both of you so I'll shut up until prompted otherwise.
Have a very good Thanksgiving.
I hope that everyone sees as many family & friends as makes you happy!:>D
Republican101

Van Wert, OH

#22421 Nov 27, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Or a group of people that sell their SNAP cards for cash, or those on unemployment working under the table for cash, or those like my ex-tenants that had four animals and are getting 250 bucks a month in food stamps, or those women who live with their working BF but collect all government goodies including a house in the suburbs because they are not legally married, or those that end up in front of me in the grocery store line that pay for their food with food stamps, then whip out cash for their alcohol, pet food and tobacco purchases.
You weren't being sarcastic, you just got busted.
Oh right, the good old paranoid teabagger victim mentality routine. Almost forgot about that little gem...
Sounds like someone got burned by lousy tenants and their own bad judgment, so now they see invisible commies at the grocery store. ROFLMAO
Now take yer meds and skip yer weekly shower, trucker buddy. Those empty Gatorade bottles aren't gonna fill themselves with p!ss, ya know...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22422 Nov 27, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Wow ,it's so obvious why you are such a hateful, spiteful, lying, lonely person that you are. You are nothing but a bald faced liar. For somebody that spends so much time in his precious truck driving little world, you have the mental midget mind of knowing what goes on in every body else's lives. That's called delusion, or being brainwashed.
No, it's called being observant. It's called being aware. It's called experience.

It's likely you see none of these things out where you live. But city living is a little more educational. It goes on right in front of your face. This is besides the fact I had a job where I was in the homes of may of these so-called needy people. I know what they live like. They've told me of their scams. They laugh about it.

I remember what went on next door when the landlord there decided to rent section 8. I seen the cars they drove. I was awakened many nights during the working week with drunks coming home at 3:00 am when I was trying to get some sleep. I've seen them on days like today with their windows wide open. Think they were paying for their own heat? They were too damned lazy to turn down their furnace. The window was obviously more convenient. Either that or they were trying to air the place out.

It's not me that creates these images in my head of how the poor live. It's you. But that brings me to a question: if God talked to you before you were born--told you that you would be born poor, but had the choice of what country you would be poor in, what other country would you choose other than the US of A?

How the so-called poor live in the United States:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22423 Nov 27, 2013
Pops wrote:
Look you two, you have more in common than you want to let on because you two have gotten into opposing each other because 1 of you started name calling. I would wager that it started just like the Hatfields & McCoys, Neither one of you truly know the origin & would argue about that too.
On this issue, I would bet that Neither one of you would condone cheating on these programs but neither would you want to see the deserving to lose out.
I KNOW deserving folks & cheating folks. So I also know that both of you are correct.
The problem as I see it is government over site or the lack there-of. I have thoughts of solutions on this but that is getting away from what I wanted to focus on in my 1st 3 paragraphs.
Well, I had my say about the both of you so I'll shut up until prompted otherwise.
Have a very good Thanksgiving.
I hope that everyone sees as many family & friends as makes you happy!:>D
Back at you Pops. Wishing you and yours a very happy Thanksgiving.

You are absolutely correct. It's imagery.

When a liberal thinks of a poor person, he or she thinks of a guy coming home greasy and dirty from repairing cars all day long. The wife is putting more water in the soup. The husband and his four children sit at the table with the 40 watt light fixture hanging by wires from the ceiling.

When we conservatives think of the poor, we think of what we observe and the link that I posted in my last reply.

Yes, the solution would be to separate the truly poor from the players. But that's not possible.

If you are a welfare worker, and your job depends on people coming in for welfare, is it in your best interest to get them off of public assistance? If you are a politician that depends on the welfare vote, are you going to try and legislate people back to work?

We are probably the only government in the world that actually uses television and radio advertisement to get people on food stamps, welfare, Obama phones, or a number of other government handouts.

Back in the 90's when Newt Gingrich legislated Welfare Reform, it was a very successful program. More people working and contributing to our society than taking out of it. Married couples stayed together longer, first time workers claiming that they felt liberated for the first time in their lives.

The question is, do we still have that today?
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#22424 Nov 27, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's called being observant. It's called being aware. It's called experience.
It's likely you see none of these things out where you live. But city living is a little more educational. It goes on right in front of your face. This is besides the fact I had a job where I was in the homes of may of these so-called needy people. I know what they live like. They've told me of their scams. They laugh about it.
I remember what went on next door when the landlord there decided to rent section 8. I seen the cars they drove. I was awakened many nights during the working week with drunks coming home at 3:00 am when I was trying to get some sleep. I've seen them on days like today with their windows wide open. Think they were paying for their own heat? They were too damned lazy to turn down their furnace. The window was obviously more convenient. Either that or they were trying to air the place out.
It's not me that creates these images in my head of how the poor live. It's you. But that brings me to a question: if God talked to you before you were born--told you that you would be born poor, but had the choice of what country you would be poor in, what other country would you choose other than the US of A?
How the so-called poor live in the United States:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011...
Nice try liar. Some people have real brains. Something that you lack.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22425 Nov 27, 2013
Canton wrote:
All joking, name calling and politics aside...everyone have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.
We can all get back to our noble and in depth discussion on curing childhood cancer after the holiday.
Anticipating your further participation in discussions today, I saved this reply for last:

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Canton. Happy Thanksgiving to all here. At this time of the year, we tend to forget all the negatives and focus on what we have: friends, family, coworkers, neighbors, financial success if you are so fortunate.

No matter what your plight in life is right now, at the very least, you can give thanks that you were born in the greatest country on earth. And it's people like us that make this the greatest country on earth regardless of your political or social positions. Unlike many people in this country, we care enough to come here and discuss our issues. We vote. We get involved.
Pops

Newport, KY

#22427 Nov 27, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
It's imagery.
When a liberal thinks of a poor person, he or she thinks of a guy coming home greasy and dirty from repairing cars all day long. The wife is putting more water in the soup. The husband and his four children sit at the table with the 40 watt light fixture hanging by wires from the ceiling.
When we conservatives think of the poor, we think of what we observe and the link that I posted in my last reply.
Yes, the solution would be to separate the truly poor from the players. But that's not possible.
If you are a welfare worker, and your job depends on people coming in for welfare, is it in your best interest to get them off of public assistance? If you are a politician that depends on the welfare vote, are you going to try and legislate people back to work?
We are probably the only government in the world that actually uses television and radio advertisement to get people on food stamps, welfare, Obama phones, or a number of other government handouts.
Liberals/Progressives may have trouble believing this but I have an entire family of EX-inlaws that LIVE, NOT just survive but LIVE on welfare for FOUR generations. They would inform each other, then as to how to fill out forms, which case workers to see or to avoid to enable them to get the most milk from the government teat.
THIS IS their occupation! To swindle the system created by the compassionate. To take advantage of the benevolent. All of the while, they are getting food stamps, section 8 housing, a medical card, FREE lunches at school etc while owning "Smart Phones", an HD TV, the latest fashions in clothes, To get complete financial support with out breaking a sweat, without answering to an alarm clock, without saying or thinking "Thank You". Instead, the abusers simply look for more & more.
The truly deserving ones end up leaving the support programs as soon as they can because they have self esteem, pride, morals, ethics, & more.
IF we were to put cameras overhead at EVERY case workers work station/desk just like there are cameras at just about EVERY cashiers station at Kroger, Wal-Mart, McDonalds, bank teller station; & record case workers phone conversation ("this call may be recorded for quality assurance") for these same people, WE the U.S. tax payer will see standards & pay outs shift in a proper way.
The same as drug testing for a job or for Welfare. There are few guilty test because those that know that they will flunk will NOT test so the undeserving are under served as it should be with that mind spent.
Consequently, there are more funds available for the more deserving.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#22428 Nov 27, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I have an entire family of EX-inlaws that LIVE, NOT just survive but LIVE on welfare for FOUR generations. They would inform each other, then as to how to fill out forms, which case workers to see or to avoid to enable them to get the most milk from the government teat.
And you married into this family??? Makes your judgement a bit suspect... Was she cute?
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#22430 Nov 28, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
And you married into this family??? Makes your judgement a bit suspect... Was she cute?
What gets me, according to him he makes a whopping $22,000 a year, yet he backs the idiots that are fighting tooth and nail to suppress wages and workers rights down into the gutter.
It Stinks

Waverly, OH

#22431 Nov 28, 2013
I really wanted to vote Demo this time, especially after the HB5 fiasco. But WHY on earth would they pick a running mate with a train load of issues including oweing thousands in taxes? I think the demo candidate is playing the race card to get the black vote and is going to pay a very heavy price. Worse, we are too getting stuck with Kasich another 4.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22432 Nov 28, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Liberals/Progressives may have trouble believing this but I have an entire family of EX-inlaws that LIVE, NOT just survive but LIVE on welfare for FOUR generations. They would inform each other, then as to how to fill out forms, which case workers to see or to avoid to enable them to get the most milk from the government teat.
THIS IS their occupation! To swindle the system created by the compassionate. To take advantage of the benevolent. All of the while, they are getting food stamps, section 8 housing, a medical card, FREE lunches at school etc while owning "Smart Phones", an HD TV, the latest fashions in clothes, To get complete financial support with out breaking a sweat, without answering to an alarm clock, without saying or thinking "Thank You". Instead, the abusers simply look for more & more.
The truly deserving ones end up leaving the support programs as soon as they can because they have self esteem, pride, morals, ethics, & more.
IF we were to put cameras overhead at EVERY case workers work station/desk just like there are cameras at just about EVERY cashiers station at Kroger, Wal-Mart, McDonalds, bank teller station; & record case workers phone conversation ("this call may be recorded for quality assurance") for these same people, WE the U.S. tax payer will see standards & pay outs shift in a proper way.
The same as drug testing for a job or for Welfare. There are few guilty test because those that know that they will flunk will NOT test so the undeserving are under served as it should be with that mind spent.
Consequently, there are more funds available for the more deserving.
Agreed. It's just I get sick of these liberals that live in their own little bubble thinking that the conservative point of view is to end all social programs. No conservative believes that, but it's like the race card they always try to play. They figure they can make you feel guilty by throwing out the charge.

Speaking of race, 73% of all black women have children out of wedlock. Being single and raising children is proportional with poverty. But I guess it would be heartless to have those women not have children until they were financially stable and in a secure relationship. Our liberal government promotes irresponsibility.
Canton

Canton, OH

#22433 Nov 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Anticipating your further participation in discussions today, I saved this reply for last:
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours Canton. Happy Thanksgiving to all here. At this time of the year, we tend to forget all the negatives and focus on what we have: friends, family, coworkers, neighbors, financial success if you are so fortunate.
No matter what your plight in life is right now, at the very least, you can give thanks that you were born in the greatest country on earth. And it's people like us that make this the greatest country on earth regardless of your political or social positions. Unlike many people in this country, we care enough to come here and discuss our issues. We vote. We get involved.
Well put. When all is said and done, this forum is like that cartoon with the wolf and the sheep dog clocking out at the end of the day. Happy Thanksgiving.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#22434 Nov 28, 2013
It Stinks wrote:
I really wanted to vote Demo this time, especially after the HB5 fiasco. But WHY on earth would they pick a running mate with a train load of issues including oweing thousands in taxes? I think the demo candidate is playing the race card to get the black vote and is going to pay a very heavy price. Worse, we are too getting stuck with Kasich another 4.
Not really. He may run for President so it might not be that long. President Kasich. I like it!
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#22435 Nov 28, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed. It's just I get sick of these liberals that live in their own little bubble thinking that the conservative point of view is to end all social programs. No conservative believes that, but it's like the race card they always try to play. They figure they can make you feel guilty by throwing out the charge.
Speaking of race, 73% of all black women have children out of wedlock. Being single and raising children is proportional with poverty. But I guess it would be heartless to have those women not have children until they were financially stable and in a secure relationship. Our liberal government promotes irresponsibility.
Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

"The CEO of Goldman Sachs is telling the American people to lower their expectations for benefits from Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid so that he and his wealthy friends can keep their tax breaks. Just about the arrogance of these guys on Wall Street who were bailed out by the middle-class of this country when their greed nearly destroyed the International Financial System and now they lecture the American people about the needs to cut programs for working families because of the recession they caused. Maybe the CEO's on Wall Street should lower their expectations before working families lower theirs."

"The GOP has given the wealthiest portion of the population tax breaks and are screaming for more. Then they come before the American people and are saying, we don't have enough money to protect the sick and the old."

It's funny how you think this country was the Garden of Eden until that evil half-black, half-white man got elected into office twice.

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