Eruv ad again stirs debate in Westhampton Beach

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Earlier this year, the Westhampton Beach Village Board wrestled with whether to approve an eruv, a symbolically fenced area where many Orthodox Jews feel free to perform tasks otherwise proscribed on the ...

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if it was christian

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if it was a christian symbol it would never be allowed. newsday would editorialize against it. why the double standard? either permit all or permit none. one fair standard.
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If it's symbolic then it is fake and if that is true why not just pretend it is there and do what you want anyway. If it were a cross or the Madonna it would never be allowed!
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Zealots are zealots. It doesn't much matter what their particular brand of religion is or isn't.

Any religious oriented structure, placed in such a way as to promote the actuality or perception that a given area is specific to one group or another should be prevented. It becomes a giant "keep out unless" sign for every other group that doesn't belong. Surely all members of the jewish community can understand that principle.

Rights come with responsiblities. The right to swing your arm ends at the tip of the other person's nose. Something like this is a definate punch in the nose to this community. You are seeing this more and more on Long Island. It is a great hazard and threat to all of our freedoms.

This is yet another example of a tiny insignificant group trying to impose its presense and will on the majority of individuals. The rights of the minority do not surpass anyone else's rights, they are meant only to be held equally.

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If it's symbolic then it is fake and if that is true why not just pretend it is there and do what you want anyway. If it were a cross or the Madonna it would never be allowed!
Good point. They'd get very upset if the poles were also decorated with crosses.
It's a shame that people who claim to be very religious (orthodox) need to find a way around their own beliefs to make life more convenient and self-serving.
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DONT DO IT!!!! WHB has changed so much in the last ten years it's becoming Cedarhurst East. Stop the insanity and rampant rudeness now. This decision will be adramatic one for the great Westhampton area.
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Please educate yourselves about what an Eruv actually is before you make irrelevant, baseless, useless and uninformed comments.
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if it was christian wrote:
if it was a christian symbol it would never be allowed. newsday would editorialize against it. why the double standard? either permit all or permit none. one fair standard.
You are so right!! Newsday and other media outlets are staunchly anti-Christian! We can't even celebrate Christmas in our schools! Let's give them the same "separation of church and state" argument that they so often shove in our faces!

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Death Race wrote:
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Good point. They'd get very upset if the poles were also decorated with crosses.
It's a shame that people who claim to be very religious (orthodox) need to find a way around their own beliefs to make life more convenient and self-serving.
It's all about them (orthodox), isn't it?!! They believe themselves to be the supreme and all others should bow to them.
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Death Race wrote:
So putting up an eruv allows them to cheat their own religious rules. Isn’t that nice? And they wonder why people call them cheaters. It looks like it’s true.
An eruv can consist of nothing more than string or canvas tape that encicles an area. It is normally invisible thanks to it's small size.

It frees Jews to do things on sabbath because it allows types of "work" (carrying, et. al.) that could only be done indoors or enclosed areas.

An eruv creates the enclosed area.

It does not circumvent Judaic law, it complies with it.

Eruvim (pl.) in W Hempstead and the upper west side do not hinder any form of secular life and cost nothing to local residents.

Ignorance of local culture (such as yours) is what creates conflict and racism.
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You are so right!! Newsday and other media outlets are staunchly anti-Christian! We can't even celebrate Christmas in our schools! Let's give them the same "separation of church and state" argument that they so often shove in our faces!
Not only can we not celebrate Xmas in our schools, but Hannuka and Ramadam are also out.

So how are these laws anti-Christian?
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It's all about them (orthodox), isn't it?!! They believe themselves to be the supreme and all others should bow to them.
Not all of them are like that. Ive known (and still know) some that are not in favor of cheating. They do turn the lights, TVs, computers and other appliances off for the Sabbath unlike many others who leave them on to cheat religious beliefs. Orthodox Jews followed the rules for thousands of years without complaint. Its the modern me society that many now want to join and seek a way to impose the mixture upon others. The orthodox Jews criticize Reformed Judaism, but in reality that is what they want.
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An eruv can consist of nothing more than string or canvas tape that encicles an area. It is normally invisible thanks to it's small size.
It frees Jews to do things on sabbath because it allows types of "work" (carrying, et. al.) that could only be done indoors or enclosed areas.
An eruv creates the enclosed area.
It does not circumvent Judaic law, it complies with it.
Eruvim (pl.) in W Hempstead and the upper west side do not hinder any form of secular life and cost nothing to local residents.
Ignorance of local culture (such as yours) is what creates conflict and racism.
Thanks for telling me what I already knew. A true orthodox Jew will follow the rules and not do certain things on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is to be for prayer and nothing else, especially luxuries.
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True wrote:
Zealots are zealots. It doesn't much matter what their particular brand of religion is or isn't.
Any religious oriented structure, placed in such a way as to promote the actuality or perception that a given area is specific to one group or another should be prevented. It becomes a giant "keep out unless" sign for every other group that doesn't belong. Surely all members of the jewish community can understand that principle.
Rights come with responsiblities. The right to swing your arm ends at the tip of the other person's nose. Something like this is a definate punch in the nose to this community. You are seeing this more and more on Long Island. It is a great hazard and threat to all of our freedoms.
This is yet another example of a tiny insignificant group trying to impose its presense and will on the majority of individuals. The rights of the minority do not surpass anyone else's rights, they are meant only to be held equally.
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Oh cmon, for pete's sake! This means nothing to anybody unless you're a Jew. It doesn't exclude ANYONE from the area, it merely prescribes what the Jews can or can't do whithin it's borders. I was surprized to read that Patchogue had these things, I would never have known. IMO, it sounds like a silly thing to have. If you have religious rules that can be ignored because of a piece of plastic on a telephone pole, then the rule wasn't very important, was it? It sounds very much like my religion, Catholics aren't supposed to eat meat on Fridays during Lent. Oh, except if the Bishop says you can, say, on St Pattys Day! Silly.
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I guess you can't refer to the religion in question without being censored. I was referring to those of the Hebrew religion.
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A request to put this or any other religious symbol on public property should not even be considered.

You may however put what ever you want on private property with the owners permission.
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It is true about Lawrence....do we want that for children in Suffolk?
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Sex and religion, keep it behind closed doors. No, This Cult arena should not be allowed to be built. It might promote Religion, the world is better off without religion.

Like the Sex shops...I do not know why the Gov't allows Crosses and Stars on rooftops of these Cult worship places. The children should not be provoked into any knowledge of this crap. Hopefully it will die.
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liner wrote:
I guess you can't refer to the religion in question without being censored. I was referring to those of the Hebrew religion.
That's odd because I was able to get my post through without being censored. Go figure.
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liner wrote:
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Oh cmon, for pete's sake! This means nothing to anybody unless you're a Jew. It doesn't exclude ANYONE from the area, it merely prescribes what the Jews can or can't do whithin it's borders. I was surprized to read that Patchogue had these things, I would never have known. IMO, it sounds like a silly thing to have. If you have religious rules that can be ignored because of a piece of plastic on a telephone pole, then the rule wasn't very important, was it? It sounds very much like my religion, Catholics aren't supposed to eat meat on Fridays during Lent. Oh, except if the Bishop says you can, say, on St Pattys Day! Silly.
Anyone choosing to abstain from the consumption of meat doesn't impact anyone but that specific person and perhaps their butcher. They don't force anyone to watch them or avoid them, nor do they suggest anyone follow their action.

Your logic is flawed. Sorry, but you are mistaken.

Orthodox followers of any religion are zealous within most contexts. There is no need to specially accomodate anyone with any such extreme or non-conventional view of life and the world.

If this structure would not be a permissible use for anyone else, then this group has no greater right to attempt this use of the area. They hold not special rights or status.

Such a use would be an impostion and would diminish the rights of non-followers in the area.

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Why are actual markers needed? Suppose the Rabbi simply announced that the area contained within the boundries of Mill Road, Beach Road, etc etc are now the eruv?
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