Southampton police protest plan to fi...

Southampton police protest plan to fire six veteran cops

There are 39 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 27, 2008, titled Southampton police protest plan to fire six veteran cops. In it, Newsday reports that:

About 100 police officers and their supporters gathered on the steps of Southampton Town Hall yesterday to protest a move by Supervisor Linda Kabot to terminate the jobs of six veteran police officers in the ...

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Unreal

Ronkonkoma, NY

#26 Aug 27, 2008
ncs wrote:
They wouldn't have such a HUGE deficit if the cops of Suffolk County didn't get paid so much f'n money in the first place. NYPD makes half of what these overpaid security guards get and most of the NYPD have a much tougher job. With the exception of a handful of bad towns in Suffolk these officers are mostly busting teenagers drinking and hanging out in the park, giving out speeding tickets and arresting drunk drivers.
Really? NYPD top pay will be 91,000 soon thanks to a new contract. So I guess it's really about 10 - 20 percent difference. But who needs ACCURATE facts?
These Southhampton cops will get a huge payday for a well documented age discrimintaion lawsuit... Civil Service law states if they are laid off they are the first to get rehired... So Town of Southhampton is 0 for 2 and will lose BIG MONEY...
Fianlly -- Setting aside your personal hatred for cops let me ask you this...
How would YOU feel if your boss/company fired YOU only just to rehire a younger replacement? I thought so....
clueless stupidvisor

Farmingdale, NY

#27 Aug 27, 2008
NY General Municipal Law states in essence that if a cop is injured in the line of duty the employer is required to find a position for that officer. Couple that with the Federal Americans With Disabilities Act that states that if a person works in an accomodated job title for 18 months it is prima facie evidence that they are capable of fulfilling the job requirements in the accommodated role and the employer can't at that point fire the employee for not cutting the mustard.

The Southampton Stupidvisor is clueless and will make a bunch of Plaintiff's attorneys very rich, not to mention a half dozen illegally terminated cops. But hey the stupidvisor and the chief of police don't care one bit because after all if and when their illegal acts are slapped down by the courts the resulting settlement doesn't come out of their pockets, the taxpayers will foot the bill for the legal defense and the jury award or settlement. This is what you get when you elect incompetent people based on political correctness via a popularity contest.

Ponder this little thought, you terminate cops with 20+ years on and replace them with lower paid rookies, but you will still have to pay the retirees medical benefits AND the senior officer's accrued vacation, sick and personal leave. So in the year that you illegally terminate 6 cops you will pay out their 6 figure vacation and sick time accruals, pay for a new recruit to attend the academy (yes the employer has to pay for the recruit to go to the academy in addition to the recruit's salary) not get any utility from that new recruit, pay for the retiree's medical benefits and within 3-5 years have to pay out a huge settlement to the 6 displaced cops and their attorneys. Please show me where there is any savings in all of this.

“Eye Smell a Huckster in NH”

Since: May 08

Needham, MA

#28 Aug 28, 2008
Weird Fruit Inkers wrote:
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You're right, let's cut the pay of the people who are there to help and protect us.
I think the other counties and states where the police are paid less should look into ways to spend more on these people.
People calling 911 for non emergencies, routine traffic stops, and so on, may seem trivial but that one call where it is serious, that makes all the differance.
They put their life on the line every day and people hate them. Someone will get pulled over for speeding and instead of taking responsibility for their own actions, they will blame the cop for not having anything better to do... so lets take the police away and let people decide how fast they feel they should go... well when a kid gets hit because of an abundance of reckless drivers on on the road then the story changes to: why don't we have a bigger budget to get more police to monitor the roads?
No matter what, can't make everyone happy. It's a shame that so many people have such hard feelings towards our police force.
I support the police, but the Union has negotiated extreme salaries and benefits. Same for the teachers. These pensions are relics of the 1950s, when people lived a few years after retirement. Now, people work for only 20 or 25 years, but can be paid for another 30 or more. So they must be changed, because the taxpayers can't afford to pay them, the same taxpayers who have no such pensions, and in many cases earn less than the civil servants they are supporting.

The emotional arguments of the Union Monkeys ("for the children," "life on the line") are rhetoric and will only convince fools. Its the salary, the pensions, and the post-retirement benefits. Its the NUMBERS!
Huh

Hauppauge, NY

#29 Aug 28, 2008
Mayor Teller in Westhampton Beach is a liar. He and his board last winter demoted a veteran officer and his official reason as quoted in the Southampton Press was "to save money."
Anyone can check it. Teller and his board demoted Lt. Trevor Gonce to Sgt. to save $7,000. it was done to punish him, really. That's another story involving a racoon and the Deputy Mayor. I swear.
Mayor Teller lies. Like he always does.

“Eye Smell a Huckster in NH”

Since: May 08

Needham, MA

#30 Aug 28, 2008
Huh wrote:
Mayor Teller in Westhampton Beach is a liar. He and his board last winter demoted a veteran officer and his official reason as quoted in the Southampton Press was "to save money."
Anyone can check it. Teller and his board demoted Lt. Trevor Gonce to Sgt. to save $7,000. it was done to punish him, really. That's another story involving a racoon and the Deputy Mayor. I swear.
Mayor Teller lies. Like he always does.
Oh I'll bet the firings are political in nature.

My point is that the pensions are too rich, the salaries are too high, and the post retirement benefits are also too rich. That is why there are budget problems in the first place.
Now Ive Seen It All

Hopatcong, NJ

#31 Sep 4, 2008
Unreal wrote:
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Really? NYPD top pay will be 91,000 soon thanks to a new contract. So I guess it's really about 10 - 20 percent difference. But who needs ACCURATE facts?
These Southhampton cops will get a huge payday for a well documented age discrimintaion lawsuit... Civil Service law states if they are laid off they are the first to get rehired... So Town of Southhampton is 0 for 2 and will lose BIG MONEY...
Fianlly -- Setting aside your personal hatred for cops let me ask you this...
How would YOU feel if your boss/company fired YOU only just to rehire a younger replacement? I thought so....
1. Re: NYPD top pay. The 91k is obscene for ANY PUBLIC EMPLOYEE regardless of responsibilities. Period. This is OUR tax dollars they are playing with and as citizens we are ENTITLED to protection and services.
2. NYPD con't. City cops have been pulling this arbitration crap for over a decade now TO CATCH UP TO NCPS/SCPD $$$
3. They aren't being LAID OFF with re-hire rights (Buullshyte of another stripe) but rather permanantly RETIRED.
4. Screw civil service law. Our elected officials have a MORAL DUTY to stand up AGAINST wrongful laws that injure the taxpayer, regardless of what some uniformed thugs says.
5. Why were these Gestapo permitted to appear at the meeting??? Government is FOR THE PEOPLE not its servants!!
6. What kind of good order and discipline does this PD have if its cops get to (a) disrespect ELECTED officials like this,(b) feel they canget away with publically taking a stand on this OR ANY ISSUE and (c) why are they permitted to use their communist mouthpieces (union monkeys) in a democratic society???
AS A TAXPAYER, I AM FED UP WITH THE LONG LINES OF PUBLIC SERVANT WITH THEIR HANDS OUT. They should fire all the union workers and hire them back at half-pay.

And civilian employers cut wages all the time by re-directing bonuses from existing staff who "earned" them through performance and giving them to applicants to "pad" the starting salaries.
John Hussain McCain

White Plains, NY

#32 Sep 4, 2008
Linda Kabot looks like fun in the sack.
High Rider

AOL

#33 Sep 4, 2008
Mayor tellers statement that he and his board have never contemplated laying off officers to save money is not totally true. They dont lay off officers they just demote them to save less than $9000.00. As they did last year to then Lieutenant Trevor Gonce. The current board consisting of Teller, Kametler, Birk, Levann and Tucker only worry about taking care of themselves.
FF Jack

Pearl River, NY

#34 Sep 4, 2008
I'm for sending illegals back over the fence to save money. They enter here illegaly, attend our schools for free, get medical/ dental, and don't pay taxes.

The police drop what they're doing and respond every time we call them. They deserve a fair contract. Illegals do not deserve a complete free ride.
Now Ive Seen It All

Hopatcong, NJ

#35 Sep 4, 2008
High Rider wrote:
Mayor tellers statement that he and his board have never contemplated laying off officers to save money is not totally true. They dont lay off officers they just demote them to save less than $9000.00. As they did last year to then Lieutenant Trevor Gonce. The current board consisting of Teller, Kametler, Birk, Levann and Tucker only worry about taking care of themselves.
Moving a Lieutenant down to Sergeant is sound budget sense (not often seen on LI)! Both are supervisor ranks and are equally authorized to direct the actions of their subordinate Police Officers. Where's the issue? If the newly-minted Sgt doesn't like it, he can QUIT!
Now Ive Seen It All

Hopatcong, NJ

#36 Sep 4, 2008
FF Jack wrote:
I'm for sending illegals back over the fence to save money. They enter here illegaly, attend our schools for free, get medical/ dental, and don't pay taxes.
The police drop what they're doing and respond every time we call them. They deserve a fair contract. Illegals do not deserve a complete free ride.
Everyone seems to forget that cops are civil SERVANTS!!! They will take WHAT WE GIVE them like any good employee! Union contracts SHOULD BE OUTLAWED
FF Jack

Pearl River, NY

#37 Sep 4, 2008
Now Ive Seen It All wrote:
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Everyone seems to forget that cops are civil SERVANTS!!! They will take WHAT WE GIVE them like any good employee! Union contracts SHOULD BE OUTLAWED
They haven't been outlawed in over 100 years.
Don't hold your breath waiting.

“Eye Smell a Huckster in NH”

Since: May 08

Needham, MA

#38 Sep 5, 2008
FF Jack wrote:
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They haven't been outlawed in over 100 years.
Don't hold your breath waiting.
The unions and the politicians have a mutual defense pact. Votes in exchange for raises, benefits, and programs to ensure there are more members, and more votes.

This is why no serious budget reform, involving privitization, or consolidation of school districts and other small special taxing districts, or creating expenditure caps, is never seriously proposed.
Atty at Law

Selden, NY

#39 Sep 5, 2008
I never met a cop I could not break on the stand like a stupid girl.
DWW

New York, NY

#40 Sep 5, 2008
I was arrested by a Southampton Cop over 18 yrs ago. These clowns have not changed one bit.
My offense was... Are you ready?

Peddling w/out a permit... Yes, guilty as charged. I was an Icecream Man who went one block too far in their territory. When I went into the station all his buddies were goofing on him, so he lied and said "He also was littering" A§§hole. This cop was a punk-ass I hope he one of the clowns getting fired.
FF Jack

Pearl River, NY

#41 Sep 5, 2008
Atty at Law wrote:
I never met a cop I could not break on the stand like a stupid girl.
You are a reason why lawyers have lost much standing over the years. Besides the excess of 1 million in the USA, you are a miserable lot-even screwing over and suing one another.

I bet you make less than a SCPD supervisor. SC's conviction rate is the highest in the state. You better bone-up, bone head.
FF Jack

Pearl River, NY

#42 Sep 5, 2008
Hey legal boy

I stubbed my toe at Waldbaums. Bet that prospect gets you excited. Not Wayne Prospect-the gay colleaugue of yours who's in the can.
Gimme a break

Far Rockaway, NY

#43 Sep 8, 2008
Wilhelm Canaris Ghost wrote:
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I support the police, but the Union has negotiated extreme salaries and benefits. Same for the teachers. These pensions are relics of the 1950s, when people lived a few years after retirement. Now, people work for only 20 or 25 years, but can be paid for another 30 or more. So they must be changed, because the taxpayers can't afford to pay them, the same taxpayers who have no such pensions, and in many cases earn less than the civil servants they are supporting.
The emotional arguments of the Union Monkeys ("for the children," "life on the line") are rhetoric and will only convince fools. Its the salary, the pensions, and the post-retirement benefits. Its the NUMBERS!
Please do your homework before spouting your mouth. Unfortunately actuarily the average life expectancy of a retired police officer is around 8 years. This is in part to stress related heart disease from working rotating tours, steady midnights and violent encounters with the dregs of society.
UR An Anarchist

Far Rockaway, NY

#44 Sep 8, 2008
Now Ive Seen It All wrote:
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5. Why were these Gestapo permitted to appear at the meeting??? Government is FOR THE PEOPLE not its servants!!
6. What kind of good order and discipline does this PD have if its cops get to (a) disrespect ELECTED officials like this,(b) feel they canget away with publically taking a stand on this OR ANY ISSUE and (c) why are they permitted to use their communist mouthpieces (union monkeys) in a democratic society???
So as you rail about communist lawyers in your so called democratic society I must point out a few minor details. The first is the first amendment's freedom of speech and association as applied to the states via the 14th Amendment. That is what enables these officers or anyone who takes exception to elected officials disregarding laws and contracts of the state and nation to assemble and protest at an open meeting of a governmental body.

The ability to take a public stand is a protected right going back to hmmmmmm lets see the Boston Tea Party, the Whiskey Rebellion and the civil rights movement of the 1960s to name a few.

So if I understand you correctly public servants who avail themselves of their constitutionally protected rights are gestapo, but elected officials who bar their employees from exercising their freedom of speech and association by objecting to constitutionally illegal laws that impair the obligations of contracts are your heros.

Go study the constitution a bit and get back to me.

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