18-year-old faces sex charges involving girl, 14

A Noblesville man has been charged with having sex with a 14-year-old girl. Benjamin Trebing, 18, faces one count of sexual misconduct with a minor, a Class C felony. Full Story
Joe

Carmel, IN

#57 Mar 5, 2008
Purl wrote:
<quoted text>It kinda sounds like you are saying that he isn't an adult at 18 but she is at 14. I'm sure that isn't what you meant but you're a little off. Why every American isn't asking their legislators to do away with the sex offender registry is beyond me. It does nothing to protect anyone and is trampling all over people's constitutional rights.
What constitutional rights do you believe are being trampled by sex offender registries?
First thought

AOL

#58 Mar 5, 2008
Purl wrote:
<quoted text>Suggestion: Don't ever trust your first thought. She was 14 years old, hardly a woman. You'd be more correct if you said another guy brought down by his penis. What ever happened with this case, does anyone know?
Oh yeh, oh yeh, heck, I can't come up with anything. Your right.
Joe

Carmel, IN

#60 Mar 5, 2008
The man wrote:
I wanted to bang her too but she said I was too bald? Smokin hot ass!
Well, I certainly hope you feel good about yourself and enjoyed your little laugh. There is a serious matter here, and all you can do is act like you're 12 years old. I hope someday you grow up, Mr. Man.
The truth hurts

New Palestine, IN

#61 Mar 5, 2008
State says a 14 year old cannot give consent to having sex with an 18 year old. But if this 14 year old had killed the 18 year old, there would have been efforts to try that 14 year old as an adult. Can't have it both ways? Too young for love but not for murder?
The truth hurts

New Palestine, IN

#62 Mar 5, 2008
Brad wrote:
They both were wiliing and both wanted it.Whats all the fuss about?
Would you say the same thing if both of them were males? Or females?
Joe

Carmel, IN

#63 Mar 5, 2008
The truth hurts wrote:
State says a 14 year old cannot give consent to having sex with an 18 year old. But if this 14 year old had killed the 18 year old, there would have been efforts to try that 14 year old as an adult. Can't have it both ways? Too young for love but not for murder?
YES, too young for love but not for murder, and here's why:

When we're dealing with an adult having sex with a 14 year old, we have can never really be sure that it was really consensual. The reason is simple: most teens are easily manipulated by people that they like and/or look up to. So, she may *think* it was consensual, but really it may have been a result of the adult victimizing the child by putting pressure on her and coercing her. We can never really know for sure. So, society has decided to restrict sex in that case and say: no adult may have sex with someone under the age of consent (in Indiana, I believe it is 16 years old).

Murder, however, is a bit different. Generally, prosecutors look at the intent and action of the murderer before deciding whether to try her as an adult or a child. But, even if tried as an adult, with murder the 14 year old has done something wrong. She is not the victim in this case, as she is when an adult coerces her into having sex. Rather, she is the perpetrator of a crime.

I hope this explanation helps clarify this for you and all the other perverts who would like nothing better than to have sex with underage girls.

“Ignorance is not always bliss.”

Since: Jan 08

small town Indiana

#64 Mar 6, 2008
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
What constitutional rights do you believe are being trampled by sex offender registries?
The right to privacy, the right to due process and the right not to be punished after (Ex Post Facto) completing a sentence for a crime. The main thing is I do not believe the registry and restrictions placed on sex offenders keep anyone safe. In Conneticut there was a 5 time convicted rapist who recently hurt another child. The fact that he was on the registry and had the living restrictions did not stop him. I feel if a person is such a threat to society that they need to be placed on a registry and not allowed to live within some many feet of where a child goes then they need to stay in jail or prison. If you allow someone to leave prison, then let it be because you deem them not to be a threat and that they can take their place in society and be productive. The registry actually hinders people from being able to do this and doesn't protect anyone so what is the point? I am angry with our legislators because I believe this was a feel good solution that would placate the tax payers without solving anything.

“Ignorance is not always bliss.”

Since: Jan 08

small town Indiana

#65 Mar 6, 2008
The man wrote:
I wanted to bang her too but she said I was too bald? Smokin hot ass!
Grow up or at least try to act like a 10 year old.

“can't we talk about it....”

Since: Jan 08

chicago

#66 Mar 6, 2008
...seems to me, most FIFTEEN year olds like to make sure everyone knows they're not 14 anymore...
...seems like an 18 year old would say something like, dumb a..ed little young a.. outta here...I wanna woman, cause I'ma man...how do 18yrolds even habg out with 14s after they know her age? Who's to say, when he's 28, he won't still say 14 is good enough for me...
...I don't care how slutty a 14 yrold is, something is wrong, and at 18, you shouldn't take advantage of her being messed up....
...on the other hand, this couldn't have been a first, and her parents should also think about punishing thier daughter, and not every dumb 18yr old who is lacking enough to take her up on it...
nonsense

AOL

#67 Mar 6, 2008
Farah wrote:
this is stupid..they need to let him out of prison b/c he doesnt deserve to be there. Ben would hurt a fly..he one of the sweetest guys i have ever met..the girl is obviously the ridiculous one...she is fourteen and she snuck out- she knew what she was getting herself into.
The idiot banged a minor after sneaking out of the house. Her parents thought she was safe and sound in bed and this perv encouraged her to sneak out. He is an idiot and deserves prison. He had four more years of maturity over this girl.
nonsense

AOL

#68 Mar 6, 2008
SANCHNETTE wrote:
...seems to me, most FIFTEEN year olds like to make sure everyone knows they're not 14 anymore...
...seems like an 18 year old would say something like, dumb a..ed little young a.. outta here...I wanna woman, cause I'ma man...how do 18yrolds even habg out with 14s after they know her age? Who's to say, when he's 28, he won't still say 14 is good enough for me...
...I don't care how slutty a 14 yrold is, something is wrong, and at 18, you shouldn't take advantage of her being messed up....
...on the other hand, this couldn't have been a first, and her parents should also think about punishing thier daughter, and not every dumb 18yr old who is lacking enough to take her up on it...
I suspect the parents thought she was asleep in her room. Few parents want their girls to become sluts. They may try to keep them away from the pervs but it's harder when they sneak under a window at night and encourage them to leave.
Ughhhh

Indianapolis, IN

#69 Mar 6, 2008
They story link is broken and unreadable at this time.......
Joe

Carmel, IN

#70 Mar 6, 2008
Purl wrote:
<quoted text>The right to privacy, the right to due process and the right not to be punished after (Ex Post Facto) completing a sentence for a crime. The main thing is I do not believe the registry and restrictions placed on sex offenders keep anyone safe. In Conneticut there was a 5 time convicted rapist who recently hurt another child. The fact that he was on the registry and had the living restrictions did not stop him. I feel if a person is such a threat to society that they need to be placed on a registry and not allowed to live within some many feet of where a child goes then they need to stay in jail or prison. If you allow someone to leave prison, then let it be because you deem them not to be a threat and that they can take their place in society and be productive. The registry actually hinders people from being able to do this and doesn't protect anyone so what is the point? I am angry with our legislators because I believe this was a feel good solution that would placate the tax payers without solving anything.
Let's go down your list, shall we?

1. The right to privacy. This is a "judge-created" right, found NOWHERE in the constitution. Even those judges who say it's there aren't sure exactly where it is. However, even granting for the sake of argument that it is a bona fide constitutional right, certain rights can be "taken" following due process (such as your right to freedom; i.e., you can be sent to jail). Any so-called "right to privacy" can likewise be taken if part of your sentence is a sex-registry list.

2. Right to due process. Are you kidding? You are saying that requiring one to register as a sex-offender AS PART OF THEIR SENTENCE FOR A CRIME violates due process? Honey, I think you need to learn what "due process" is!

3. Ex post facto. They are not "being punished after" (I assume you mean, after being punished). Their punishment includes forced registry. There is nothing "ex post facto" about that.

(I should have warned you: I am an attorney. I have actually studied these things, and know a bit about them).

4. YOU do not believe the registry keeps anyone safe. Well, since YOU don't believe it, I guess that settles it, right?

5. You feel the registry is unwarranted because we let them out of prison; and, if they were really a threat, they should be kept in prison. On this, strangely, we agree---though not in the way you might suspect. Actually, I think they should "remain in prison." Period. You see, the recidivism rate for pedophiles is through the roof high. Yet, we sentence them to prison-terms that do not keep them off the streets forever. That is because the liberal-mindset says, "reform these people and integrate them back into society." So, we give them non-life sentences; in fact, a life sentence is not even an option under the sentencing guidelines. Yet, "reform" seldom works with pedophiles. But, when conservatives like me start screaming, liberals like you call us "calloused" and "hard-hearted." So, the "best" we seem to be able to do is require them to register, so that parents (like me) can know who lives near us, and warn our children about certain individuals.

As for whether a registry works or not, I know this for a fact: I know where every sex offender within a several mile radius of me lives. I have seen most of their pictures, as have my children. We talk about "good touch, bad touch" and about how some people want to hurt us. I have taught my children to stay away from these people. And, if one were to move close to me, I would move.

You can call me a bigot, or hard-hearted, or whatever you want to. Frankly, I don't care. I care about keeping my children safe from these perverts.

“Ignorance is not always bliss.”

Since: Jan 08

small town Indiana

#71 Mar 6, 2008
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's go down your list, shall we?
1. The right to privacy. This is a "judge-created" right, found NOWHERE in the constitution. Even those judges who say it's there aren't sure exactly where it is. However, even granting for the sake of argument that it is a bona fide constitutional right, certain rights can be "taken" following due process (such as your right to freedom; i.e., you can be sent to jail). Any so-called "right to privacy" can likewise be taken if part of your sentence is a sex-registry list.
5. You feel the registry is unwarranted because we let them out of prison; and, if they were really a threat, they should be kept in prison. On this, strangely, we agree---though not in the way you might suspect. Actually, I think they should "remain in prison." Period. You see, the recidivism rate for pedophiles is through the roof high. Yet, we sentence them to prison-terms that do not keep them off the streets forever. That is because the liberal-mindset says, "reform these people and integrate them back into society." So, we give them non-life sentences; in fact, a life sentence is not even an option under the sentencing guidelines. Yet, "reform" seldom works with pedophiles. But, when conservatives like me start screaming, liberals like you call us "calloused" and "hard-hearted." So, the "best" we seem to be able to do is require them to register, so that parents (like me) can know who lives near us, and warn our children about certain individuals.
As for whether a registry works or not, I know this for a fact: I know where every sex offender within a several mile radius of me lives. I have seen most of their pictures, as have my children. We talk about "good touch, bad touch" and about how some people want to hurt us. I have taught my children to stay away from these people. And, if one were to move close to me, I would move.
You can call me a bigot, or hard-hearted, or whatever you want to. Frankly, I don't care. I care about keeping my children safe from these perverts.
Let me assure you I knew you were an attorney from the way you answered another post and they way you ask me about what constitutional laws. I am not as up on the laws as you would be nor our constitution. I do not believe the registry keeps anyone safe and just because I believe that way certainly doesn't settle anything but neither does your opinion. You have moved away from sex offender to be more specific and are saying pedophiles. The sex offender registry is not just pedophiles. I absolutely commend you for talking with your children about good touch and bad touch as I believe every parent should. To do otherwise is foolish because you yourself know that it's the pedophile that hasn't been caught that is the one to be concerned about. Also a sex offender can simply go out of his or her area to find their victims. The recidivism rate for sex offenders in general is not high. Go back and look again. Try this website sosolutionsnetwork.org or not. I am not calling you anything. As an adult who was molested as a child myself and as a parent of a 9 year old who has cerebral palsy and cannot talk I am more than aware of the need to keep our children safe and I do believe that there are some criminals that there is no hope for and they should be kept in priosn. Yet, I guess I am naive enough to believe there is hope for some and they should be given a chance that the registry is not allowing them.
Joe

Carmel, IN

#72 Mar 6, 2008
Purl wrote:
<quoted text>Let me assure you I knew you were an attorney from the way you answered another post and they way you ask me about what constitutional laws. I am not as up on the laws as you would be nor our constitution. I do not believe the registry keeps anyone safe and just because I believe that way certainly doesn't settle anything but neither does your opinion. You have moved away from sex offender to be more specific and are saying pedophiles. The sex offender registry is not just pedophiles. I absolutely commend you for talking with your children about good touch and bad touch as I believe every parent should. To do otherwise is foolish because you yourself know that it's the pedophile that hasn't been caught that is the one to be concerned about. Also a sex offender can simply go out of his or her area to find their victims. The recidivism rate for sex offenders in general is not high. Go back and look again. Try this website sosolutionsnetwork.org or not. I am not calling you anything. As an adult who was molested as a child myself and as a parent of a 9 year old who has cerebral palsy and cannot talk I am more than aware of the need to keep our children safe and I do believe that there are some criminals that there is no hope for and they should be kept in priosn. Yet, I guess I am naive enough to believe there is hope for some and they should be given a chance that the registry is not allowing them.
Then, I apologize. I assumed from your post that you were a typical twenty-something punk who doesn't understand what (unfortunately) we parents have to deal with to keep our kids safe. It seems most of those posting on this site are late teens/early twenty punks, and I lumped you into that category. I apologize. I still disagree with you; but, you aren't who I thought you were and I should have spoken to you with a bit more respect. I'm sorry.

Also, I have a very good friend whose son was born with CP. His was a much more mild case than your child's; however, I know something about that struggle, and I want you to know that I just said a prayer for you, and for child. God bless you both.

“Ignorance is not always bliss.”

Since: Jan 08

small town Indiana

#73 Mar 6, 2008
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Then, I apologize. I assumed from your post that you were a typical twenty-something punk who doesn't understand what (unfortunately) we parents have to deal with to keep our kids safe. It seems most of those posting on this site are late teens/early twenty punks, and I lumped you into that category. I apologize. I still disagree with you; but, you aren't who I thought you were and I should have spoken to you with a bit more respect. I'm sorry.
Also, I have a very good friend whose son was born with CP. His was a much more mild case than your child's; however, I know something about that struggle, and I want you to know that I just said a prayer for you, and for child. God bless you both.
Thank you, your prayers are greatly appreciated. My guy does have the worst kind of CP (spastic quad CP) but he has a mild case. He is unable to function on his own but we have high hopes for him. He has went from not being able to sit up to pulling himself to a sitting position after years of working and he is trying to walk. We are hoping he will be able to use a communication board within the next few years because without being able to communicate he is so vulnerable. I understand your concerns and we can certainly agree to disagree on some things. Have a good day and may God bless you as you have me today.
Brad

United States

#74 Mar 6, 2008
The truth hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you say the same thing if both of them were males? Or females?
Now your just being stupid.
Ryleigh22

Clarkston, WA

#75 Mar 6, 2008
I feel this is a stupid subject.
They should not charge this man with rape he didn't know she was a minor,maybe.But the point is it's the stupid ,rediculous parents fault,for allowing their own daughter to get spoiled enough to think she can do what ever she pleases, she probably didn't care he I'm done listening to this.
Joe

Carmel, IN

#76 Mar 6, 2008
Ryleigh22 wrote:
I feel this is a stupid subject.
They should not charge this man with rape he didn't know she was a minor,maybe.But the point is it's the stupid ,rediculous parents fault,for allowing their own daughter to get spoiled enough to think she can do what ever she pleases, she probably didn't care he I'm done listening to this.
Wow. Your vocabulary, grammar, and punctuation is simply amazing, to say nothing of your spelling. To the point, though, this 18 year old coerced this girl into having sex. That is not the parents' fault. That is not the girl's fault. We have these laws for a reason: even when a CHILD thinks they know what they want, oftentimes the only reason they want it is because they have been influenced by adults that they trust. So, we say: adults cannot have sex with minors, because we recognize that minors do not yet have fully formed reasoning capacity. Which brings me to an interesting question: You are a minor, aren't you?
shariff

Delhi, India

#78 Jul 3, 2008
hi cal to me

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