The 2nd Amendment was to Protect Slav...
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#21 Jan 16, 2013
Moe wrote:
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Did he help educate your slaves?
No. The only slaves today are those in bondage to the banks.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#22 Jan 16, 2013
Moe wrote:
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This is what someone said on another forum.
No I believe that the republicans caused Sandy Hook.
Pray tell, did the Republicans make one (other than libs) mentally ill?
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#23 Jan 16, 2013
Moe wrote:
What we have now is economic slaves, wage slaves, and corp slaves. The 1% enslaves the 99%.
I am fighting the oppression.
Those that control the political machines are well less than 1%. But rest assured they will still be in charge when the "evil 1%" is taxed to submission, should that occur.
Or in the words of one of my ex co-workers. it's us, and the others, and the others will always be.
The nation is divided, and no nation divided will stand. The capitalist system would provide better for the whole with the many jobs tht went overseas. The 1% will never provide what the "usefull idiots" want to achieve.
If you have not noticed, you will, that taxes will increase for all. The government will continue to borrow money from the Fed, diluteing said money, making the monies of the 1% worth less, and less.
Moe

Indianapolis, IN

#24 Jan 16, 2013
Remember the French Revolution?
Moe

Indianapolis, IN

#25 Jan 16, 2013
It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.
AllAmerican

Greenfield, IN

#26 Jan 16, 2013
Moe wrote:
It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.
When the 2nd Amendment was written, our country had just defended itself against a world superpower, and was in the early stages of a young democracy. I am sure that, while slavery was integral to the development of our country, the 2nd amendment is all about defending ourselves against future enemies, and the government itself. I know you seem to have an infatuation lately with slavery, but I think the published work you are relying on is wrong.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#27 Jan 16, 2013
Moe wrote:
It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.
No, I asked a black friendthe same question. More to the point, I asked why, when people came to lynch, why did'nt the man take as many out as he could with a gun. My black friend said that the man knew if he fought, his family would be killed.
What you have written is partially true, but you have to add the pure racial twist.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#28 Jan 16, 2013
Moe wrote:
Remember the French Revolution?
I LIKES CAKE.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#29 Jan 16, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, our country had just defended itself against a world superpower, and was in the early stages of a young democracy. I am sure that, while slavery was integral to the development of our country, the 2nd amendment is all about defending ourselves against future enemies, and the government itself. I know you seem to have an infatuation lately with slavery, but I think the published work you are relying on is wrong.
Your assessment is correct. What I think Moe is trying to twist is that after the civil war blacks, in certain areas, were denied ownership of weapons.
Moe

Indianapolis, IN

#30 Jan 16, 2013
BTW, in my humble liberal opinion Django Unchained is a horrible racist and violent movie.

It would have been nice if a revolution started like than and the slaves carried it to completion, but the movie is little more than a vehicle to show blood, it is red for Blacks and Whites, and for the actors to use the n word thousands of times.
Driver 1

Rockford, IL

#31 Jan 16, 2013
Moe wrote:
BTW, in my humble liberal opinion Django Unchained is a horrible racist and violent movie.
It would have been nice if a revolution started like than and the slaves carried it to completion, but the movie is little more than a vehicle to show blood, it is red for Blacks and Whites, and for the actors to use the n word thousands of times.
There were several slave revolutions. That was the thing that slave owners feared most. The rampaging slaves shot, hacked, mutilated any whites in their way until they were met and executed by the armed whites.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#33 Jan 17, 2013
The Indiana Republiklan Party does not want you and your family to watch this YouTube video:

Second amendment was Passed to Protect Slavery
http://youtu.be/OVJMtCAX5fs
James Madison

Chicago, IL

#34 Jan 17, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
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When the 2nd Amendment was written, our country had just defended itself against a world superpower, and was in the early stages of a young democracy. I am sure that, while slavery was integral to the development of our country, the 2nd amendment is all about defending ourselves against future enemies, and the government itself. I know you seem to have an infatuation lately with slavery, but I think the published work you are relying on is wrong.
American farmers were badly outgunned by the British. We won few battles on our own, and Washington's genius was just lasting long enough and preserving his army, to win one carefully-picked battle (Trenton) to get French support. The French supplied modern arms, an army, and its world-class navy. There were more French soldiers at Yorktown than Americans, and the French fleet kept the harbor closed and the British fleet out.

No, Americans with hunting rifles did not win the Revolution, although they started it. We could not have won without foreign intervention that made it too costly for Britain to continue the war.
AllAmerican

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#35 Jan 17, 2013
James Madison wrote:
<quoted text>
American farmers were badly outgunned by the British. We won few battles on our own, and Washington's genius was just lasting long enough and preserving his army, to win one carefully-picked battle (Trenton) to get French support. The French supplied modern arms, an army, and its world-class navy. There were more French soldiers at Yorktown than Americans, and the French fleet kept the harbor closed and the British fleet out.
No, Americans with hunting rifles did not win the Revolution, although they started it. We could not have won without foreign intervention that made it too costly for Britain to continue the war.
Everything you said is true, but doesn't change the reason for the 2nd Amendment being written.
James Madison

Chicago, IL

#36 Jan 17, 2013
AllAmerican wrote:
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Everything you said is true, but doesn't change the reason for the 2nd Amendment being written.
And the primary reason was so that southern slaveholders could keep their restless slaves in line. Southern Founding Fathers like Patrick Henry said so. Did you read the article? Had not a thing to do with keeping guns to revolt against the federal government.

In fact, there WERE uprisings against the federal government when George Washington was President. Read about the Whiskey Rebellion for example, where President Washington assembled an army with himself at the head to put down a farmer's revolt against whiskey taxes. If the 2d Amendment meant what you and other neo-cons think it means by re-writing history, Washington would have been on the other side.
AllAmerican

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#37 Jan 17, 2013
James Madison wrote:
<quoted text>
Southern Founding Fathers like Patrick Henry said so. Did you read the article? Had not a thing to do with keeping guns to revolt against the federal government.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty! Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel! Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force, and whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined! When the government removes your armaments, you will have no power but government will have all power!" -Patrick Henry

I am no attorney, but this doesn't sound like it has anything to do with slavery.

“NOT RUSSIAN”

Since: May 08

and not from Russia

#38 Jan 17, 2013
:"Slavery in the United States existed as a legal institution from the early years of the colonial period; it was firmly established by the time the United States sought independence from Great Britain in 1776. ":
Wasn't the 2nd Amendment written because we wanted to make sure there was a force able to fight off an oppressive government?
Link, please. Please show me a text, or something REAL, written by our FOREFATHERS, admitting that they wrote it to keep slaves in line.
Otherwise, you're blowing sunshine up everyones azz. It's nothing more than supposition on your part, without PROOF IRREFUTABLE.

“NOT RUSSIAN”

Since: May 08

and not from Russia

#39 Jan 17, 2013
Moe wrote:
Mother Jones Magazine
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/03/w...
"Last week at an American Constitution Society briefing on the Heller case, NAACP Legal Defense Fund president John Payton explained the ugly history behind the gun lobby's favorite amendment.."
This is a LAWYER that you're talking about here. A LAWYER.
What is the first thing you think of when you think LAWYER.

I think.... LIAR.

A lawyer is a person who can interpret black to mean yellow. Mental gymnastics and creative rhetoric is what makes it possible Period. Ergo, none of that shinola has any merit. It's a liberal wet dream put to paper. Nothing more. Sorry, our founding fathers were just not THAT smart. Besides, even if it was true, it's certainly not true now. And it wouldn't make EITHER REASON null and void. One reason held merit (at that time in history), and the other reason holds merit NOW (at this time in history).
nuffsaid

Muncie, IN

#40 Jan 17, 2013
I would just like three simple questions answered by all the libtards on here:
Who originally sold the slaves to the white man?
Who originally profited by these sales?
Today, which continent do you find a particular race that still buys/sells/and profits in this trade?
Thank you. And please add me to the 'list'.
James Madison

Chicago, IL

#41 Jan 17, 2013
Patrick Henry even argued that southerner's "property" (slaves) would be lost under the new Constitution, and the resulting slave uprising would be less than peaceful or tranquil:
"In this situation," Henry said to Madison, "I see a great deal of the property of the people of Virginia in jeopardy, and their peace and tranquility gone."
So Madison, who had (at Jefferson's insistence) already begun to prepare proposed amendments to the Constitution, changed his first draft of one that addressed the militia issue to make sure it was unambiguous that the southern states could maintain their slave patrol militias.
His first draft for what became the Second Amendment had said: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country [emphasis mine]: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person."
But Henry, Mason and others wanted southern states to preserve their slave-patrol militias independent of the federal government. So Madison changed the word "country" to the word "state," and redrafted the Second Amendment into today's form:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State [emphasis mine], the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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