Scouts may lift ban on gays

Jan 29, 2013 Full story: The Indianapolis Star 596

The Boy Scouts of America is considering lifting its ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders, but to what extent the decision would have an impact in Indiana is unclear.

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Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#354 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Since you can't refute what you've been given to think about and/or haven't even bothered to read, let's change subjects to your perception that someone is somehow "hiding facts" about HIV and Gays. You give CDC statistics showing that HIV/AIDS is still sadly prevalent among gay, bisexual and other men, who for whatever reason, likely had unsafe/unprotected receptive anal sex with another man; followed by the very factual statement by the group called GLAAD that, HIV is tied to high risk sexual behaviors, not to being gay. The deception in that would be what exactly? Or anything else on that page which I'm going to guess that you didn't bother to actually check yourself, because I'm getting the distinct impression you are borrowing "your research" from someone else.
Yes, GLAAD is very factual about how HIV is transmitted and high-risk sexual behavior, however, they are also downplaying the other fact that the gay community IS at a higher risk regardless. Trying to separate themselves from a stigma no matter how factual.
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#355 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Because that is the lie that "advocates for traditional values" tell themselves to sleep at night.
Allowing gay males to believe they are at no higher risk of contracting HIV than anyone else who engages in high-risk sexual behavior. Is a LIE...sleep well.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#356 Feb 6, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
<quoted text>By the gay community hiding these facts...they are putting their OWN at risk.
Apparently the facts are not "hidden" since you just posted them.

Since: Nov 12

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#357 Feb 6, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
<quoted text>And everyone who the gay community labels anti-gay are full of HATE. Why can't they use a different term like "advocate for traditional values"?
Dear, I hate to break it to you. The traditional ways of life; the ones I was brought up on, are a thing of the past. Technology ,media, Hollywood, drugs, alcohol,wars, mental instability, gov. have all contributed to Americas "lost family unit" My kids were raised in the eighties and I'm glad! The only vice during that era was the darn ninetendo machine.I pray for the youngsters today; there's alot to deal with.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#358 Feb 6, 2013
Jeanne Crain wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear, I hate to break it to you. The traditional ways of life; the ones I was brought up on, are a thing of the past. Technology ,media, Hollywood, drugs, alcohol,wars, mental instability, gov. have all contributed to Americas "lost family unit" My kids were raised in the eighties and I'm glad! The only vice during that era was the darn ninetendo machine.I pray for the youngsters today; there's alot to deal with.
I agree. I was a kid in the early 60's and life certainly seemed more innocent and simpler then. Living in Queens, we walked back and forth to school starting in the first grade. Would you let a kid do that nowadays ?! Sadly, no (I would hope). And to say that there was less violence on tv, and in the media then I think is simply untrue. Our FAV shows tehn were "COMBAT !" & "The Man From UNCLE", and there was pletnty of violence in those shows. And for toys, we always had all sorts of guns and other "violent" toys. But it was just play.

Things are different now in that regard for some reason.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#359 Feb 6, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. I was a kid in the early 60's and life certainly seemed more innocent and simpler then. Living in Queens, we walked back and forth to school starting in the first grade. Would you let a kid do that nowadays ?! Sadly, no (I would hope). And to say that there was less violence on tv, and in the media then I think is simply untrue. Our FAV shows tehn were "COMBAT !" & "The Man From UNCLE", and there was pletnty of violence in those shows. And for toys, we always had all sorts of guns and other "violent" toys. But it was just play.
Things are different now in that regard for some reason.
Freedom of Speech. It is what it is but gee, when did it morph into the areas of profanity, ridicule, and self serving purposes???
Kids yelling out the f word like it is common place,couples making out in broad daylight; etc. and if they're confronted the reply is always"its my freedom if speech &#8730;`!!!*?!."
I think we've lost common decency... sad..

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#360 Feb 6, 2013
Jeanne Crain wrote:
<quoted text>
Freedom of Speech. It is what it is but gee, when did it morph into the areas of profanity, ridicule, and self serving purposes???
Kids yelling out the f word like it is common place,couples making out in broad daylight; etc. and if they're confronted the reply is always"its my freedom if speech &#8730;`!!!*?!."
I think we've lost common decency... sad..
Well, I think each person has to do a little bit more to make the world a better place.

Unfortunately, a single person can undo the work of, or deliberately hurt the lives of, more than a thousand people, if that person is so inclined to do so.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#361 Feb 6, 2013
Questioning wrote:
Well, it appears that they've decided to table this decision for a bit. Atleast until May. Obviously someone comprehends the potential ramifications. Someone is thinking of the welfare of the kids. No point in serving them up on a platter. They should be permitted to reach decision making age before being indoctrinated. Unfortunately I suspect that this stall will be only pospone the inevitable. It wouldn't be politically correct to protect the kids and somebody may get their feelings hurt. It's perfectly acceptable that a group fights for their own, but really screwed up to fight to contaminate that which is someone else's.
You're INSANE !:)
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#362 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>It's amazing how many people tell me that around here. One of these days one of you are actually going to prove it. Let's see how you do., shall we? <quoted text>Not the best of starts on the whole wrong thing. Sorry, but one is hetero/homosexual or at some point in between long before one screws up ones mind with such unfortunately learned obsessions and that orientation doesn't gone away when you stray outside it. <quoted text>Sexual choices, yes, sexual orientation, no. Of course they hide their choices, because most of them are deservedly illegal because they harm the objects of their affectations. If one is going to choose the path towards "homosexual pedophilia", what better way to hide their sexual choices than with their adult heterosexual sexual orientation? Like I said before, look at the Jerry Sandusky case. He got away with it for so long because he was so heterosexual. He expressed absolutely no interest in same sex adults, despite ample opportunities to do so. This is a man who was a college coach for ages and yet not one report of a butt slap that lingered on too long for comfort or inappropriate look in the showers. His obsession was for little boys, his sexual orientation was only towards women. The perfect cover. <quoted text>Again, no ones sexual orientation goes away when they are on their little side trips into the delusional and dangerous. <quoted text>Despite claims to the contrary, no one has ever proved that the sexual attraction towards children is anything more than a learned behavior. No one is born to be a pedophile, something goes wrong along the way to make it seem to be a perfectly reasonable idea. But once someone gets that idea, it's harder than hell to get rid of, especially if they have been acting on it. It also doesn't go away, even when you are doing your best to hide it from everybody else. It isn't a temporary insanity, sadly, for most it remains fairly permanent and in constant need of watching over.
You would think at some time common sense would make an appearance in your posts. Alas, I'm still waiting.
You haven't pointed out anything that PROVES the sexual orientation of pedophiles is actually hetero or homo. Having had sex with the opposite sex first does not make one a hetero. Neither does a first sexual encounter with same sex make one a homosexual. Many pubescent and newly post pubescent encounters happen between same sex partners.
It boils down to a matter of raging hormones and availability.
Just because a male pedophile attempts to live his life as hetero complete with wife and children does not make him straight. You may be overlooking the fact that his PRIMARY sexual desire is for children not an adult female or male. Some pedos may need time to come to terms with their preference and some begin their sexual activity with children shortly after puberty. Most use the cover of having a spouse and family like Jerry Sandusky did. Are you sure he was primarily hetero and if so why?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#363 Feb 6, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
By the gay community hiding these facts...they are putting their OWN at risk.
What facts are you even claiming that ANYONE is hiding dear?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#364 Feb 6, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
Yes, GLAAD is very factual about how HIV is transmitted and high-risk sexual behavior, however, they are also downplaying the other fact that the gay community IS at a higher risk regardless. Trying to separate themselves from a stigma no matter how factual.
No dear, being gay does not put one at greater risk for HIV and you should be ashamed of yourself for repeating that myth. It's their behavior, not their homosexuality that increases ones risk.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#365 Feb 6, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
Allowing gay males to believe they are at no higher risk of contracting HIV than anyone else who engages in high-risk sexual behavior. Is a LIE...sleep well.
They ARE at no higher risk than anyone else engaging in high risk behavior with potentially infected partners, moron. Being gay doesn't make one any more susceptible to infection. I'm gay, have been for decades now, I'm not infected. The reason, I don't engage in high risk sexual behaviors. My risk of infection, even though I am gay, is the same as anyone who isn't gay and who doesn't participate in high risk behavior, next to none.
Questioning

Louisville, KY

#366 Feb 6, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
You're INSANE !:)
Not hardly. In fact, reading these posts illustrates that I am one of the few not suffering from a mental defect. Thumping a chicken would be a definate indicator of mental defect. Same sex sex is no different. A dude on the news recently suffered frostbite due to sexual misconduct with a snowman. Whereas I don't know that to be illegal unless it was in public, it certainly wasn't normal. You folks can work yourselves blue in an attempt to convince heterosexuals that gay sex is normal, but you might just as well work up the snowman sex angle too. And you want to take people's children camping and tell folks that they'll be safe and not be introduced, exposed to, indoctrinated or conditioned. Yea, right. If my kids were young they certainly would not be enlisted into the gay army on my watch. The path they choose as adults are for them to choose. I don't hate homosexuals. Not by any stretch. I've every bit of compassion for them as for a leprosy patient, drug addict, or alcoholic. The poor things are diseased.
Questioning

Louisville, KY

#367 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>They ARE at no higher risk than anyone else engaging in high risk behavior with potentially infected partners, moron. Being gay doesn't make one any more susceptible to infection. I'm gay, have been for decades now, I'm not infected. The reason, I don't engage in high risk sexual behaviors. My risk of infection, even though I am gay, is the same as anyone who isn't gay and who doesn't participate in high risk behavior, next to none.
Glad that it's working for ya Rick. Just don't think straight kids need to have sleep overs with ya. Just sayin'. I wouldn't think that you would want yours hanging with aryans either. Can you get it? No.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#368 Feb 6, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>No dear, being gay does not put one at greater risk for HIV and you should be ashamed of yourself for repeating that myth. It's their behavior, not their homosexuality that increases ones risk.
If splitting hairs helps you deal with your lifestyle so be it but you're deluding yourself. Homosexual is a term used to describe a group not a causitive factor. The facts are that homosexuals are at higher risk for HIV/Aids, males in particular. You can split that apart and spit it out in pieces but it won't change the facts. HIV/Aids is a hideous life stealer. By you denying the facts you put yourself and others at risk.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#369 Feb 6, 2013
Papaw wrote:
You would think at some time common sense would make an appearance in your posts. Alas, I'm still waiting.
We must have very different meanings of what constitutes common sense. I've given you provable facts that have more than three decades worth of scientific study to back me up on, logic and informed reason. If that ain't common sense, I have no idea what you think you are looking for.
Papaw wrote:
You haven't pointed out anything that PROVES the sexual orientation of pedophiles is actually hetero or homo.
You mean anything other than empirically proven scientific research into the phenomenon. I'm sorry if fact isn't enough to convince you, but them are the facts. There's been a lot of research that's been done into what makes these people tick, too bad you have absolutely no idea whatsoever as to what it actually says and you'd just rather go with whatever that thing you call "common sense" is and be blindly wrong and in the end, aid and abet pedophiles just because you choose to have "issues" with gay folk.
Papaw wrote:
Having had sex with the opposite sex first does not make one a hetero.
Having sex with the opposite sex, even repeatedly, isn't enough to make one heterosexual, dear. One's heterosexuality is not in their behavior, but in their self-perception and the perception of them held by others. The same is true of those of us who aren't heterosexual, our orientation is a matter of perception, not behavior.
Papaw wrote:
Neither does a first sexual encounter with same sex make one a homosexual.
See above.
Papaw wrote:
Many pubescent and newly post pubescent encounters happen between same sex partners.
It boils down to a matter of raging hormones and availability.
That and the reality that there is a much tighter reign on opposite sex sex play for heterosexuals wanting to experiment. For those of us who aren't heterosexual, although we grow up hearing that same sex sex is bad, wrong, immoral, sinful, sick, twisted etc, but find that you're all just thinking about it, not actually watching. My first crush grew up to be straight, but he grew up knowing how to kiss from practicing with another boy.
Papaw wrote:
Just because a male pedophile attempts to live his life as hetero complete with wife and children does not make him straight.
But that is how they perceive themselves and how others who know them perceived them before their other activities became known. That is also what their claimed sexual histories with adults would seem to back up. You can believe that deep down that a man who would do this to a boy can't possibly be completely heterosexual, but all the available evidence tells us otherwise. We hear about these cases after the fact and wonder why nobody caught on as these men abuse dozens, hundreds of boys and scared them into silence, it's because they all too often have the perfect cover of being a fine, upstanding and straight guy. You might not believe this, but most folks can spot homosexuality in a person just by looking at them. It's actually an instinctual response based on mating hopes. Women are usually better at it than men, but just about anyone can do it with a surprising degree of accuracy. You don't even need to meet them for you to be able to spot it. I read of one experiment where people were able to tell self-identified homosexuals from heterosexuals with a higher degree of accuracy than you might expect just by looking at a picture of a person's eyes. Think about it.

Since: Mar 11

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#370 Feb 6, 2013
fr JudgeJudy:

>Religion has never been separated from Gov....if it was, being married would not stand for anything in a court of law, marriage is a religious ceremony.<

Wrong. Marriage is a civil ceremony, as it requires a license. Marriages are often performed in a religious setting, but it is NOT a "religious ceremony".
Boy Scouts

Marshall, IL

#371 Feb 6, 2013
Well I don't know about you all but I prefer the opposite sex. Always have and always will......I don't think it would change if I were lets say away from the opposite sex for a long time. That only means I well lets just say Absence make the heart grow fonder.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#372 Feb 6, 2013
Pawpaw wrote:
You may be overlooking the fact that his PRIMARY sexual desire is for children not an adult female or male.
Children may become their sole focus, but they didn't come instinctually equipped for pedophilia, they came instinctually equipped for heterosexuality, homosexuality or some degree of bisexuality. Something along the way derails the natural development of those instincts, but there's still that natural born heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual in there to save hopefully.
Pawpaw wrote:
Some pedos may need time to come to terms with their preference and some begin their sexual activity with children shortly after puberty.
Sadly, there's more than enough ways to make a pedophile out yourself that we're pretty much guaranteed that they keep happening.
Pawpaw wrote:
Most use the cover of having a spouse and family like Jerry Sandusky did. Are you sure he was primarily hetero and if so why?
Because that is how he perceived himself and evidently everyone else around him perceived him. Read about the case from local reports. He was a role model of heterosexuality, husband, adoptive father, foster father, etc who at some point in his late 40's or early 50's decided to start playing with some of the little boys in his football program for still not understood reasons.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#373 Feb 6, 2013
Questioning wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad that it's working for ya Rick. Just don't think straight kids need to have sleep overs with ya. Just sayin'. I wouldn't think that you would want yours hanging with aryans either. Can you get it? No.
Hon, I haven't been into teenage boys since I was one and that was a looong time ago.

Let me get this, pardon the pun, but straight. You would not allow your child around me, as I would not allow a child around self-described Aryans... Interesting comparison, but other than self-projection, I have no idea why you would make it. You would worry that I would teach them to be a part of the Gay Master Race or something?

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