Scouts may lift ban on gays

Jan 29, 2013 Full story: The Indianapolis Star 596

The Boy Scouts of America is considering lifting its ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders, but to what extent the decision would have an impact in Indiana is unclear.

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“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#230 Feb 4, 2013
Questioning wrote:
I am in agreement. Homosexuality does not predispose one to pedophilia. With that said, many gay males, not unlike many hetero males, do target "the young ones". My son was threatened in the "men's room" by hetero males. He didn't go into the "women's rooms". So, where is the biggest threat to kids? Where same sex older persons are present. Now, let's send them to camp. I call BS.
Same sex older persons are everywhere: church, school, youth groups,concerts, etc. You can't judge a whole group on the actions of some. There are heterosexuals who prey on children; does that mean that most heterosexuals prey on children?
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#231 Feb 4, 2013
Questioning wrote:
It's like this, if a male, regardless of proclamation, is "turned on" by a sexually equivalent person, then that is homosexuality. Regardless of age, race, origion or otherwise. No one needs to have thier eleven year old looked upon as a "score". Despite the "buddy up" rule. That protects no one, but the predator, if both are predators. Gay men and male children do not belong isolated together. Period.
That's how I feel about it. Gay men and sexually maturing males between the ages of 10-16 have NO business being isolated together. It's just bad juju.
NoQ

United States

#232 Feb 4, 2013
I can't lie anymore, I can't wait to become a troop leader and sink the pink on some little boys dumper. I'm talking rotor rooter, I'm not stopping until I reach the back of the teeth.
Truth-Hurts

Terre Haute, IN

#233 Feb 4, 2013
Jupiter wrote:
<quoted text>
Same sex older persons are everywhere: church, school, youth groups,concerts, etc. You can't judge a whole group on the actions of some. There are heterosexuals who prey on children; does that mean that most heterosexuals prey on children?
Are heterosexual men allowed to be girl scout leaders? There's already several cases of sexual abuse by boy scout leaders as it is. Can you give me a valid argument/reason to throw fuel on the fire?

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#236 Feb 4, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
<quoted text>Are heterosexual men allowed to be girl scout leaders? There's already several cases of sexual abuse by boy scout leaders as it is. Can you give me a valid argument/reason to throw fuel on the fire?
No, they are not, because the Girl Scouts is a female organization. However, I would assume that lesbians are allowed to be troop leaders. Just because someone is gay or lesbian does not automatically mean that they will be sexually attracted to all same sex people. Assuming you're a heterosexual woman, would you have a hard time controlling yourself if you had to lead a group of mixed sex couples or of young boys and men?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#237 Feb 4, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
Same sex sex has to involve a same sex attraction or it wouldn't happen.
What makes you think that? Kinsey found that 37% of men had sex with other men at least once in their lives back in 1948. There's always been more "homosexual" sex than "homosexual" people, especially in environments where the opposite sex is unavailable. Some societies have even encouraged homosexual sex by heterosexuals, there were even gods you could be praising that way.
Truth-Hurts wrote:
It's difficult for me to grasp because I'm married to a straight man, who even the thought of a penis in his mouth would be repulsive resulting in vomit and to abuse a child would end in death. I don't care how many years you've been taking it in the ass in order to come to your scientific findings (invest in depends). You can call me an idiot all you want, it's what YOU and people like YOU do when someone disagrees with you. Any "heterosexual" male monster would be going after little girls, heteros aren't into penises. Could it be gay males have a hard time grasping that notion?
Hon, if your homoerotic fantasies bother you so much, why do you indulge them? As for what the monsters really are, pedophilia (attraction to prepubescent children) and hebephilia (attraction to pubescent children) aren't innate attractions but an illness, regardless if it evolves in attractions to one specific sex of child or not. They are not acting according to their sexual orientation, even if it is a heterosexual man molesting a girl, they are acting according to their illness, which isn't the same thing. How is that difficult to grasp?
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#238 Feb 4, 2013
I'll agree that pedophilia is a different animal than homosexuality.
Do serial child molesters, as individuals, molest the same sex each time or do they vary according to availability or other factors?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#239 Feb 4, 2013
Momma wrote:
We all know that some researchers, therapists and psychoanalysts have manipulated patients into fitting the desired data.
Which ones would that be dear? Those who do not agree with you?
Momma wrote:
We all know that some have even used patients sexually and emotionally to suit their perverted tendencies.
Well yeah, but how is that relevant here?
Momma wrote:
We know this "empirically" because its been reported for years.
You really don't know what the word empirically means, do you?
Momma wrote:
The data that they are presenting as truth is tainted at best.
Whose data are you babbling about, buttercup?
Momma wrote:
Sex between Man-Man, Woman-Woman is HOMO as in same sex.
No? Really? Damn, could have fooled me.
Momma wrote:
That's what the prefix homo means *SAME*.
Wow, you learn something new every day.
Momma wrote:
Sex between Man-Child, Woman-Child is pure perversion and if a man likes a little boys equipment he's a homosexual.
Sorry Momma, but you can't fake a clue as to what you are talking about and have made yourself nothing more than a useful idiot for child predators everywhere by repeating their favorite lie. It's their mental illness moron, not their sexual orientation.
Momma wrote:
Women who target girls are also homo predators.
To be honest with you, I'm unaware of ant studies done on female pedophiles or child molesters to be able to tell you one way or another about what, if anything is known about them.
Momma wrote:
Just because an adult marries and attempts to carry on a 'normal' life doesn't make him/her heterosexual, it only makes him/her an imposter.
Here is what is known about the subject dear, of men who exclusively molested boys, the vast majority identify as heterosexual and have a sexual history with adults that back that up. With true pedophiles, their illness isn't as a result of their sexual orientation but something that screws it up along the way. They aren't acting on their innate instincts but the screwed up ones planted in them. There are gay men who are pedophiles and others who molest children, but they are no more common among homosexuals than pedophiles and child molesters are among heterosexuals. Most of the men who molest boys or have a pedophilic attraction to them aren't passing as straight, because other than their problem with children, they are straight and have just an adverse reaction to the thought of sex with men as you do.
WEIRD BOB

Terre Haute, IN

#240 Feb 4, 2013
I just want to be in the arms of another man tonight.
I would love to share that rest of the evening with someone, Jeff is out of town for two weeks.
I'm so lonely I could cry.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#241 Feb 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Which ones would that be dear? Those who do not agree with you? <quoted text>Well yeah, but how is that relevant here? <quoted text>You really don't know what the word empirically means, do you? <quoted text>Whose data are you babbling about, buttercup?
<quoted text>No? Really? Damn, could have fooled me. <quoted text>Wow, you learn something new every day. <quoted text>Sorry Momma, but you can't fake a clue as to what you are talking about and have made yourself nothing more than a useful idiot for child predators everywhere by repeating their favorite lie. It's their mental illness moron, not their sexual orientation. <quoted text>To be honest with you, I'm unaware of ant studies done on female pedophiles or child molesters to be able to tell you one way or another about what, if anything is known about them. <quoted text>Here is what is known about the subject dear, of men who exclusively molested boys, the vast majority identify as heterosexual and have a sexual history with adults that back that up. With true pedophiles, their illness isn't as a result of their sexual orientation but something that screws it up along the way. They aren't acting on their innate instincts but the screwed up ones planted in them. There are gay men who are pedophiles and others who molest children, but they are no more common among homosexuals than pedophiles and child molesters are among heterosexuals. Most of the men who molest boys or have a pedophilic attraction to them aren't passing as straight, because other than their problem with children, they are straight and have just an adverse reaction to the thought of sex with men as you do.
Sorry, if a man plays with a little boy's tallywacker he isn't straight.
You can attempt to convince yourself of that but that won't make it so.
Child molesting may be a perversion in comparison to homosexual preference being a sexual orientation. I can see the difference but you won't convince me that a man who is truly attracted to adult females can also be attracted to male children. His sexual perversion is his preference but due to the risks and difficulty of fulfilling that perversion uses an adult female to make himself look "normal".

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#242 Feb 4, 2013
Papaw wrote:
I'll agree that pedophilia is a different animal than homosexuality.
Thank you.
Papaw wrote:
Do serial child molesters, as individuals, molest the same sex each time or do they vary according to availability or other factors?
There are two groups of men who do bad things to children, child molesters, who have no real sexual fixation on children, but for various reasons find themselves sexually abusing children available to them regardless of sex and pedophiles. Why pedophiles become focused on one sex or another is unclear. What has been known for years is that 1/3 exclusively abuse girls, 1/3 boys and 1/3 both. It may evolve one way or another because one sex of children is more available to them or it may be something else that plants the idea in their mind. When the Catholic Church studied their problem, they found both. A large number of men battling other demons, who acted out sexually with one or two children readily available to them (boys) and a smaller number of pedophiles, who sadly were allowed to rack up scores of victims. What they found out their abusers is that they largely identified as heterosexual and when they did have a sexual history with adults, it backed up the claim, but the victims were all but exclusively boys, primarily because that was who was available to them.
Papaw

Clinton, IN

#243 Feb 4, 2013
And again..... facilitating a pseudo hetero life is nothing more than camouflage. The reasoning would be either to deflect suspicion or to better provide access to victims. Either way it is a survival technique and not a sexual orientation.
I can tell you that I'm a well trained member of an exclusive medical team, but that doesn't make it so. I could just be the janitor.

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#244 Feb 4, 2013
Papaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, if a man plays with a little boy's tallywacker he isn't straight.
You can attempt to convince yourself of that but that won't make it so.
Child molesting may be a perversion in comparison to homosexual preference being a sexual orientation. I can see the difference but you won't convince me that a man who is truly attracted to adult females can also be attracted to male children. His sexual perversion is his preference but due to the risks and difficulty of fulfilling that perversion uses an adult female to make himself look "normal".
are you stupid... just saying... bet your christian

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#245 Feb 4, 2013
Papaw wrote:
And again..... facilitating a pseudo hetero life is nothing more than camouflage. The reasoning would be either to deflect suspicion or to better provide access to victims. Either way it is a survival technique and not a sexual orientation.
I can tell you that I'm a well trained member of an exclusive medical team, but that doesn't make it so. I could just be the janitor.
First you get it right by realizing that pedophilia and sexual orientation aren't the same thing and then you go back to the pedophiles favorite lie, that straight men just don't do that. Shame on you for acting as a useful idiot for them.
Dick Tracy

Terre Haute, IN

#246 Feb 4, 2013
Truth-Hurts wrote:
I don't know...That's a lot of gay male testosterone in a concentrated area. I foresee bad juju for the boy scouts in the future. Catholic priests are so old school... make way for the boy scout "leaders".
thats right some boys will turn gay now because of to much exposure to this who if not been exposed would go their own way naturally gay or not bullshit on this I dont want my kid around a gay kid and possibly be MOLESTED into this behavior !!! WTF USA WTF
Dick Tracy

Terre Haute, IN

#247 Feb 4, 2013
No more boy scouts for my kid!!!!!
Momma

Clinton, IN

#248 Feb 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>First you get it right by realizing that pedophilia and sexual orientation aren't the same thing and then you go back to the pedophiles favorite lie, that straight men just don't do that. Shame on you for acting as a useful idiot for them.
You're off the beam. If a man or woman is truly straight they are not into children. Your classroom prof may tell you that this theory is true but he's fooling himself and you.
Here's what you're missing. The claim to be straight is a facade, a cover, a ruse, a gimmick.

Shame on you for sneering when you can't readily convert someone with your cockamamie nonsense.

Since: Mar 09

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#249 Feb 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>NAMBLA began with a romanticized notion of the practice of pederasty and the political objectives of overturning sodomy laws and at least equalizing age of consent laws, if not returning them back to where they were before folk got all prudish about kids and sex. It seemed to work well on paper, but it also quickly attracted a following among those with serious psychological issues in that regard. I always thought of Hays approval of NAMBLA in theory, not at what it had managed to become. I supported the WBC's free speech rights. You stick to the ideals if there is nothing else.
"Rick", I suspect you're referring to the extended rationalizations in Walter Breen's writings as his personality disintegrated. He was incarcerated and died in prison.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#250 Feb 5, 2013
Papaw wrote:
I'll agree that pedophilia is a different animal than homosexuality.
Do serial child molesters, as individuals, molest the same sex each time or do they vary according to availability or other factors?
I imagine that choice is based upon each individual pedophile, but, as in the case of Albert Fish -- one of the most heinous pedophiles ever - it was opportunity. He was looking for a young boy but decided to take a young girl instead because she "appealed" to him more. However, he was notorious for molesting and killing young boys. He was also married and had several children.

If you want to read his story, read "Deranged" by Harold Schecter. I warn you, it's pretty gruesome.

“Alley Cat Blues”

Since: Sep 08

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#251 Feb 5, 2013
Momma wrote:
<quoted text>
You're off the beam. If a man or woman is truly straight they are not into children. Your classroom prof may tell you that this theory is true but he's fooling himself and you.
Here's what you're missing. The claim to be straight is a facade, a cover, a ruse, a gimmick.
Shame on you for sneering when you can't readily convert someone with your cockamamie nonsense.
Take your meds, dear.

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