Dan Carpenter: We love our guns -- an...

Dan Carpenter: We love our guns -- and have the deaths to show for it

There are 223 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from May 11, 2013, titled Dan Carpenter: We love our guns -- and have the deaths to show for it. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Law enforcers at the city and federal levels have taken the offensive against rampant gun violence in several Indianapolis neighborhoods.

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Since: Feb 11

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#193 May 26, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1777
Vikings: Spam, spam, spam, lovely 210 year old spam!

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#194 May 26, 2013
Those who want gun control are also "we the people."
GunShow1 wrote:
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And once AGAIN - "WE THE PEOPLE"
Here, put THIS in your treason pipe and SMOKE IT:
"GENERAL WASHINGTON TO MR. GERRY.
"CAMP AT PENNYBACKERS MILL, SEPT. 27, 1777.
"SIR,
"I am favoured with your's of the 25th. I yesterday wrote you that I did not think myself authorized to seize upon any arms the property of private persons; but if they can be collected and the owners satisfied for them, it would be of very essential service, as great numbers of militia would join the army could they be furnished with arms. I am glad you have began the collection of blankets and shoes; this business cannot be carried to too great an extent and I think if the measure is properly pursued, great quantities of blankets, rugs and coverlids, may be collected in the back counties..."
[The Life of ELBRIDGE GERRY. With Contemporary Letters. TO THE CLOSE OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. BY JAMES T AUSTIN. BOSTON: WELLS AND LILLY--COURT STREET. 1828.](Elbridge Thomas Gerry,(July, 1744 – November 23, 1814), was an American statesman and diplomat. As a Democratic-Republican he was selected as the fifth Vice President of the United States (1813–1814), serving under James Madison.)
Take a long hike off a short pier, traitor-troll.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#195 May 26, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Those who want gun control are also "we the people."
<quoted text>
No. You are in FACT; traitors.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#196 May 26, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Those who want gun control are also "we the people."
<quoted text>
Sycophants; votaries of tyranny and usurpation.

Since: Feb 11

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#197 May 26, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No. You are in FACT; traitors.
Giving service members knob jobs is as close as you have come to serving this country, GayDavy.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#198 May 26, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Giving service members knob jobs is as close as you have come to serving this country, GayDavy.
But I'd never deprive you of your duty, O' Queen of Lame. The 7th fleet would never allow it. The Marines have requested that you have the rest of your teeth removed however.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#199 May 26, 2013
No, you just have a foolish opinion, based solely on the crap you get from gun-nut sites.
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No. You are in FACT; traitors.

GunShow1

“Shall NOT be infringed!”

Since: Apr 13

San Jose, CA.

#200 May 26, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
No, you just have a foolish opinion, based solely on the crap you get from gun-nut sites.
<quoted text>
Not even close, TRAITOR. I stand on CONSTITUTIONAL FACTS. While you and your fellow traitors stand on NOTHING but cowardice, usurpation, and tyranny.

Since: Feb 11

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#201 May 27, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not even close, TRAITOR. I stand on CONSTITUTIONAL FACTS.
You haven't lifted a finger for this country, you filthy lying mooch.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#203 May 27, 2013
You can't even quote the constitution correctly, twit.
GunShow1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not even close, TRAITOR. I stand on CONSTITUTIONAL FACTS. While you and your fellow traitors stand on NOTHING but cowardice, usurpation, and tyranny.
Mucho Mensa

Midlothian, VA

#204 May 27, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
You can't even quote the constitution correctly, twit.
<quoted text>
He reminds me of the the Queen of Hearts.

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#205 May 27, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
You can't even quote the constitution correctly, twit.
<quoted text>
Stay tuned for his new alias...
Anti-Fascism

New York, NY

#208 Jun 3, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Your comprehension of the constitution is idiotic. The founders never intended everyone to be armed; they ALLOWED them to be armed. It's a freedom, not a duty. But they had no idea that guns would progress to the point of firing multiple rounds per second.
If being armed makes one safe, how do gang wars work? Both sides are heavily armed, and people still die. Many people, both gang members and innocent bystanders. BTW--only a fool thinks frontier justice is a model for a modern civilization.
How does one have a "natural right" to a manufactured product?
Registration doesn't infringe on your ability to own guns.
Dan is a real american; you're just an ignorant moron with a gun fetish.
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You can idiotically come up with all of the silly speculative garbage that you want concerning what *you think* the founders would say, knowing what technology we've today concerning guns, as compared to what they had back then.

THEIR INTENT behind the PEOPLE being armed was clear, NO MATTER WHAT ELSE you try to BS your way out of: to protect the peoples' liberties vs. a possible tyrannical, fascist government ever attempting to overthrow our liberties with their 'standing armies'.

So the founders did not know our military would have their advanced weaponry, either; so what?

Rights don't dwindle as technology grows, simpleton.

If they wrote that "right of the people to keep and bear arms" BEFORE guns were even invented, imagining for argument' sake, then I'm sure you'd have said the same thing: "They didn't know we'd invent guns which can kill people from 100+ meters out! So only use swords!"

Sorry but, there's no squirming around this.

If you think we cannot have great firepower then, NEITHER CAN the government! There MUST be a balance of force-based power in this country, between the people as a whole and the governments. That's how liberty is helped to remain preserved much more so than if power is lopsided in only ONE direction alone. That's what the founders of this nation knew through actual experience. You're just a silly, brainwashed pawn who doesn't know squat in reality; you live in fantasy land.

Now get out of here with your silly blissful ignorance, little boy.
Anti-Fascism

New York, NY

#209 Jun 3, 2013
Oh, they didn't know computers would be invented, spreading information around the world in seconds. Looks like this idiot thinks the government can now infringe upon freedom of speech concerning the WWW because the founders back 230+ years ago didn't know computers would be invented... or cell phones!

Kid, just leave. You lack so much logic, it's laughable, yet sad at the same time.

The clear context and intent of the 2nd Amendment was clear: the people having enough force of firepower to defend themselves vs.'standing armies' by the domestic governments, if they ever had to, in worst case scenario. Their writings prove it clearly... to those not lacking intelligence, that is.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#210 Jun 3, 2013
Your own speculations are based on nothing more than NRA agitprop and your own stupidity.

BTW--"the people" don't necessarily believe as you do--stop trying to claim some kind of spokesman position.
Anti-Fascism wrote:
<quoted text>
You can idiotically come up with all of the silly speculative garbage that you want concerning what *you think* the founders would say, knowing what technology we've today concerning guns, as compared to what they had back then.
THEIR INTENT behind the PEOPLE being armed was clear, NO MATTER WHAT ELSE you try to BS your way out of: to protect the peoples' liberties vs. a possible tyrannical, fascist government ever attempting to overthrow our liberties with their 'standing armies'.
So the founders did not know our military would have their advanced weaponry, either; so what?
Rights don't dwindle as technology grows, simpleton.
If they wrote that "right of the people to keep and bear arms" BEFORE guns were even invented, imagining for argument' sake, then I'm sure you'd have said the same thing: "They didn't know we'd invent guns which can kill people from 100+ meters out! So only use swords!"
Sorry but, there's no squirming around this.
If you think we cannot have great firepower then, NEITHER CAN the government! There MUST be a balance of force-based power in this country, between the people as a whole and the governments. That's how liberty is helped to remain preserved much more so than if power is lopsided in only ONE direction alone. That's what the founders of this nation knew through actual experience. You're just a silly, brainwashed pawn who doesn't know squat in reality; you live in fantasy land.
Now get out of here with your silly blissful ignorance, little boy.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#211 Jun 3, 2013
How do I break this to you? There ARE laws concerning internet use and privacy, with more in the works. Free speech is not limitless; no right is.

The intent of militias in the founders' time was for protection from OUTSIDE aggression, not against our own government.
Anti-Fascism wrote:
Oh, they didn't know computers would be invented, spreading information around the world in seconds. Looks like this idiot thinks the government can now infringe upon freedom of speech concerning the WWW because the founders back 230+ years ago didn't know computers would be invented... or cell phones!
Kid, just leave. You lack so much logic, it's laughable, yet sad at the same time.
The clear context and intent of the 2nd Amendment was clear: the people having enough force of firepower to defend themselves vs.'standing armies' by the domestic governments, if they ever had to, in worst case scenario. Their writings prove it clearly... to those not lacking intelligence, that is.

Since: Feb 11

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#212 Jun 3, 2013
Anti-Fascism wrote:
THEIR INTENT behind the PEOPLE being armed was clear,
Only a tiny fraction of Americans had arms in 1790s, and most of the foudnign fathers were slave owners and had no intention on allowing the common folk to own firearms.

Wipe your chin, Shug.
more deaf than dumb

Indianapolis, IN

#215 Jun 5, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Only a tiny fraction of Americans had arms in 1790s, and most of the foudnign fathers were slave owners and had no intention on allowing the common folk to own firearms.
Wipe your chin, Shug.
What you don't know of our founding fathers has filled many libraries.

No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...

Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...

For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...

One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#216 Jun 5, 2013
He said "most", and respond with ONE. Good thinking. BTW--outside of sparta, neither greeks nor romans made all men join the army.

BTW--ou know that a "freeman" was a white landowner, right?
more deaf than dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
What you don't know of our founding fathers has filled many libraries.
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...
For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...
One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.
Thomas Jefferson
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/t...
Anti-Fascism

United States

#217 Jun 5, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
He said "most", and respond with ONE. Good thinking. BTW--outside of sparta, neither greeks nor romans made all men join the army.
BTW--ou know that a "freeman" was a white landowner, right?
<quoted text>
They wanted the body of the people armed, no matter how one tries to twist it.

Read:

"That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power." - 13th Amendment, Virginia Bill of Rights; 1776

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As for joining "the army"?

The [private] militia was, AND IS, separate from "the army" (government ran military).

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