Poor Plastic Surgery Victims Speak Up!
breezynorthwind

Chester Springs, PA

#22 Feb 25, 2011
Just me wrote:
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Lucille has not seen her sister for years. Her sister does not have a right to express an opinion about Lucille's post surgical condition because she has NO KNOWLEDGE of it or anything about her FIRST HAND, for nearly a decade.
Arlene is a psychotic trouble maker who terrorizes her neighbors and stalks Lucille on the Internet.
Your comments on this topic reveal that you have not really READ all the material available online regarding Eppley's lawsuit or Lucille's exhaustive documentation of his damaging surgery.
I totally agree with what you've said! Her sister went too far about Lucille's surgery. It was none of her business. She should have stayed out of it. All Arlene did was show the world she is a nasty useless individual. She is just out to be cruel. She has to be psychotic. Who in their right mind would behave like she did and no doubt still does? Now she lost her only sister. If she feels nothing - it only proves she is evil and crazy.
arl
#23 Feb 26, 2011
haha
Rich Bergeron

Las Vegas, NV

#24 Mar 9, 2011
Looks like the poster from Indianapolis is a friend of Eppley's, maybe even Dr. Evil himself. The fact is Lucille was an advocate for plastic surgery victims everywhere, and her post-surgery efforts to educate the masses about what could go wrong were exemplary and admirable. A book will someday be written to give testament to her courage.

A piece was recently done about plastic surgery on Fox 11 in LA, and it featured her case:

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/investigative...

The only thing the piece got wrong is that it didn't go far enough in the advice on how to check out a potential surgeon. It's not enough to check board certification. That doesn't prove all that much about a physician's track record. I think it's actually more important to check malpractice records and Online complaint sites. These will tell the doctor's real story.

As far as Lucille's sister, she sued Lucille 4 days after she died. What does that say about her character?
M Jackson

Brevard, NC

#25 Mar 10, 2011
I want my nose back.
Roy

Buffalo, NY

#26 Jun 26, 2011
cpeter1313 wrote:
Neither this "well informed" patient nor you are being realistic. Did she have trouble after her surgery? Yes. I can guarantee you that she signed a waiver telling her that any surgery can have negative results, from minor difficulties to death. Maybe you should READ things you sign.
I invite her to visit a burn ward sometime and see what REAL patients have to go through with plastic surgery--not to look a little younger, but to have a recognizable face. And things can go wrong with those too, but they are rarely interested in whining like this woman.
When all is said and done, this woman had some unnecessary vanity surgery and it didn't work out. Pretending it's all the surgeon's fault is ridiculous. Things happen in surgery regardless of how skilled the doctor is; there are NO guarantees.
Stop playing the victim here, that surgeons hunt for "victims". They advertise their services. People decide to utilize those services. There are no victims here; at best, you have people who regret a decision. Well, being an adult is about living with the decisions we make. Unless she can prove he was drunk or stoned at the time of the operation, she's carrying on a campaign that ultimately may open HER up to legal consequences.
What qualifications should a layman have in order to properly regulate medical professionals? Being an overemotional whiner like this woman? You aren't QUALIFIED to judge whether a case is a matter of malpractice.
Maybe if people stopped being stupid enough to think a scalpel will make them young again, there wouldn't be so many plastic surgeries to begin with. Vanity has its costs.
BTW--youl're very close to libeling that judge. Perhaps you can tell me what law she is flouting in her cases? Whether you like it or not, judges aren't supposed ot determine cases by how emotional someone is; they have to apply the LAW and the constitution.
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They're called "informed consent forms," and some of them do not list any risks whatsoever.
Roy

Santa Clara, CA

#27 Jun 26, 2011
cpeter1313 wrote:
So you now her better than her own sister? Interesting. Doesn't her sister have a right to express HER opinion as well?
You aren't qualified to judge a surgeon's work and you aren't qualified to determine if there is mental illness in any particular person. I can just as easily point out Lucille's narcissistic nature as demonstrated by having a face-lift to begin with. Or perhaps yours in your obsession with a case you simply aren't capable of objectively judging.
Isn't this just becoming a lovely little Peyton Place? Well, maybe more of a Harper Valley.
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The things you say which strike me as callous and unfair are too numerous for me to list in this limited space. You have a strong prejudice for surgeons who hurt patients and against patients who complain about the hurt. You seem to believe that any patient who agrees to a surgery deserves whatever the outcome of the surgery happens to be. You seem to think that doctors ought to be held to the same moral, ethical, legal standards as auto mechanics, or car salesmen, or building contractors. I suggest to you that surgery lies in a category all by itself. Perhaps you've never heard of the Hippocratic oath, the oath doctors must swear to before they are allowed to be doctors. Part of this oath reads "first, do no harm". There are good reasons why doctors are required to swear to an oath, while auto mechanics and car salesman and building contractors are not. There is a very good reason why it is the doctor who must to swear to do no harm, and not the patient who must swear to hold the doctor blameless should any harm ensue (informed consent forms came much later). If you're not smart enough--or honest enough--realize what these reasons are, then nothing more I say will make a difference to you.
Boo

Solon, OH

#29 Jun 27, 2011
Is the that ghoul Tim Durham finally speaking out?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#31 Jun 27, 2011
Feel free to link to such a form that lists no risks to a surgical procedure.
Roy wrote:
<quoted text> They're called "informed consent forms," and some of them do not list any risks whatsoever.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#32 Jun 27, 2011
First of all, no doctor MUST swear by the hippocratic oath--and there are at least three versions of it. Some do, some don't. Legally, it's irrelevant; doctors are held to legislated standards of practice, not an ancient, obsolete oath.

"Do no harm" refers to deliberate malfeasance or intentional neglect, not the occasional and unavoidable failure of treatment.

I am neither callous nor unfair; if anything, I am trying to bring a balance here. No doctor on earth can guarantee any procedure; we as a species are so incredibly diverse that the same treatment that works perfectly on one person can kill another, and there is no way in mot cases to know beforehand who will thrive and who will not. If there is proof the physician was negligent, fine, but don't presume the fault lies with the doctors and nurses if something goes wrong.

There are thousands of unnecessary plastic surgeries done every month; the odds are that some will go bad no matter how attentive and skilled the physician is. It's sad when there are complications, but there is not a surgeon in this country who doesn't explain the dangers and get a waiver. Elective procedures are just that--you choose to do them and you assume the risks.
Roy wrote:
<quoted text> The things you say which strike me as callous and unfair are too numerous for me to list in this limited space. You have a strong prejudice for surgeons who hurt patients and against patients who complain about the hurt. You seem to believe that any patient who agrees to a surgery deserves whatever the outcome of the surgery happens to be. You seem to think that doctors ought to be held to the same moral, ethical, legal standards as auto mechanics, or car salesmen, or building contractors. I suggest to you that surgery lies in a category all by itself. Perhaps you've never heard of the Hippocratic oath, the oath doctors must swear to before they are allowed to be doctors. Part of this oath reads "first, do no harm". There are good reasons why doctors are required to swear to an oath, while auto mechanics and car salesman and building contractors are not. There is a very good reason why it is the doctor who must to swear to do no harm, and not the patient who must swear to hold the doctor blameless should any harm ensue (informed consent forms came much later). If you're not smart enough--or honest enough--realize what these reasons are, then nothing more I say will make a difference to you.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#33 Jun 27, 2011
This is one of three different versions, and it is not required. Medical licensure is based on many things, but not the oath.

It's also obsolete; a bedside manner is less important than the proper treatment, hands down. Not to mention tht many physicians will not swear to a god, nor can they be forced to.
Roy wrote:
Here is the Hippocratic oath, the oath doctors must swear to in order to become doctors:
I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.
I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.
I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#34 Jun 27, 2011
The problem isn't in hollywood but the rest of the country; performers get shunted aside if they get a wrinkle or grey hair because the audience is youth-obsessed. There are exceptions, mostly in character-actor circles, but leadingmen and women? When the public stops obsessing on on flawless skin and gym-bunny bodies, the problem will be mostly soled--not to mention it will mean a huge downturn in eating-disorder cases.
the super kaptoz wrote:
I'snt funny many hollyweird stars get plastic surgery. They are the same people for every cause out there, such as being so organic and not using animal byproducts.Yet they will get injections of fat
and botox injections lol from a snake.face it until men accept women and their bodies that they become naturally from aging and gravity and now these days vice versa, people will continue to alter their bodies. Since the beginning of time they have doing it in some form or another be it pierced ears or tattoo's.just now we have more freaks out there that enjoy their bodies being mutilated to nothing but more holes and scars just so they fit in with society.as goes for breast implants, ass implants, chest for men, and calves on and on and on.A song comes to my mind by bobby ferrin, "Be Happy " lol.whistling now as you all shall do for the rest of the day now hahaha.
Wondering

Burnaby, Canada

#35 Dec 10, 2011
How did Lucille die?
Molly Marie Ruth

Bellevue, WA

#36 Dec 20, 2011
I truly feel for Lucille and this is all too familiar to me. I was harmed 3 years ago by a cosmetic eye doctor who burned the white of my eyeball and caused severe nerve damage and damage to blood vessels which are now very prominent and painful throughout the white of my right eyeball. The pain is progressively getting worse and no doctors are able to help me with this pain or do anything for me. I am going crazy trying to get some help and the doctors all seem to be in a bond together that makes it very impossible for me to get the help I need just to exist. They won't believe me or they won't help me and if I had this pain from an accident of course they would but since another doctor made a horrific mistake and did this, they turn the other cheek. I don't know what to do anymore and my whole life is ruined from this eye surgeon who I trusted and he proceeded to butcher and bloody my eye. I warn everyone out there to just accept themselves and leave well enough alone. I really believe that Lucille could not breathe and had many complications from the surgery she had. As I sit here with my eye exploding in my head and burning, with no one able to help me and no doctor willing to.
Concerned

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#38 Feb 14, 2012
To Molly Marie Ruth - & others who are getting "blacklisted" .... have you tried those action news help community reporters around the country? Or any of the TV - "The Doctors" - or talk shows that help & would get your story out?

Otherwise, there may be some resolution in going to a foreign country... & believe it or not you may not only get better treatment (or in your case - you would finally be treated).... but you may also find that the cost is way less than the USA... so you would only have to get plane fare.(Recovery is often on-site & included in the cost.)

May God help us all & may we continue to feel healing in this troubled world.... Best wishes to you Molly!
Concerned

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#39 Feb 14, 2012
OK I just found Rich Bergeron's link : http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/investigative...

The link mentions that Lucille died from suicide - actually that's depression & it is still linked to her debilitating condition .... so wrongful death is still a fact. I REALLY cannot stand that suicide is ever a choice! So sorry, Lucille!

To Rich Bergeron - we would look forward to reading some of Lucille's poems & wish you well on continuing to publish a book on this!
bystander

Rensselaer, IN

#40 Feb 14, 2012
Roy wrote:
<quoted text> The things you say which strike me as callous and unfair are too numerous for me to list in this limited space. You have a strong prejudice for surgeons who hurt patients and against patients who complain about the hurt. You seem to believe that any patient who agrees to a surgery deserves whatever the outcome of the surgery happens to be. You seem to think that doctors ought to be held to the same moral, ethical, legal standards as auto mechanics, or car salesmen, or building contractors. I suggest to you that surgery lies in a category all by itself. Perhaps you've never heard of the Hippocratic oath, the oath doctors must swear to before they are allowed to be doctors. Part of this oath reads "first, do no harm". There are good reasons why doctors are required to swear to an oath, while auto mechanics and car salesman and building contractors are not. There is a very good reason why it is the doctor who must to swear to do no harm, and not the patient who must swear to hold the doctor blameless should any harm ensue (informed consent forms came much later). If you're not smart enough--or honest enough--realize what these reasons are, then nothing more I say will make a difference to you.
I didn't notice it but I do take issue with the libelous attacks against people for the sole purpose of being vindictive.
Nate

Bangkok, Thailand

#41 Feb 9, 2013
bystander wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't notice it but I do take issue with the libelous attacks against people for the sole purpose of being vindictive.
...Then you must be a plastic surgeon, because only a plastic surgeon--or someone with a prejudice toward one--would overlook the fact that plastic surgeons have so many layers of protection--their staff, their lawyers, their insurance companies, their crooked judges, and more--that the people they chop up have almost no practical legal recourse whatsoever. You want plastic surgeons to be able to bang and clang their dangerous message on the public square, while denying that same privilege to the people whose lives they destroy? Have a plastic surgery. Have a couple. Then we'll tell you to be quiet about it.
Nate

Bangkok, Thailand

#42 Feb 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
First of all, no doctor MUST swear by the hippocratic oath--and there are at least three versions of it. Some do, some don't. Legally, it's irrelevant; doctors are held to legislated standards of practice, not an ancient, obsolete oath.
"Do no harm" refers to deliberate malfeasance or intentional neglect, not the occasional and unavoidable failure of treatment.
I am neither callous nor unfair; if anything, I am trying to bring a balance here. No doctor on earth can guarantee any procedure; we as a species are so incredibly diverse that the same treatment that works perfectly on one person can kill another, and there is no way in mot cases to know beforehand who will thrive and who will not. If there is proof the physician was negligent, fine, but don't presume the fault lies with the doctors and nurses if something goes wrong.
There are thousands of unnecessary plastic surgeries done every month; the odds are that some will go bad no matter how attentive and skilled the physician is. It's sad when there are complications, but there is not a surgeon in this country who doesn't explain the dangers and get a waiver. Elective procedures are just that--you choose to do them and you assume the risks.
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Your thinking is immoral, or you're a plastic surgeon, which pretty much amounts to same thing. The versions of the Hippocratic Oath differ in style of language, not in content or purpose. Violation of the "do no harm" precept doesn't require that you do the harm on purpose; being reckless or careless is enough. I'm glad you refer to the antiquity of the Hippocratic Oath, because in that case there's another term just as ancient that you plastic surgeons never fail to invoke whenever you screw up: "Art." Whenever you butcher someone the first thing you do is take refuge behind the murky ambiguity of a phrase "art" or "healing art". You could sew a person's elbows to his knees and get away with it by claiming that to be a function of your "art", or lack thereof. I'll tell you how to reduce plastic surgery disasters. Instead of the plastic surgeon waiting until the day of the surgery to show the patient the informed consent--moments before they're led into the operating room--require him to give it to the patient with enough time in advance to have the patient's primary care doctor and family lawyer review it. I know I called you a plastic surgeon. Did I call you a moron? I intended to.
Nate

Bangkok, Thailand

#43 Feb 9, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
This is one of three different versions, and it is not required. Medical licensure is based on many things, but not the oath.
It's also obsolete; a bedside manner is less important than the proper treatment, hands down. Not to mention tht many physicians will not swear to a god, nor can they be forced to.
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That's valuable information, cpeter. You're a helluva guy to straighten us out on this. Patients need to know that everything they've ever believed about goodness and relevance of the Hippocratic Oath--at least from the plastic surgeon's point of view--is mistaken. I suggest the first sentence of every informed consent form therefore read, "The Hippocratic Oath is bullshit." Tell us, we know you're an MD, but are you a DMD, too? You're thinking indicates that this might be the case.
Nate

Bangkok, Thailand

#44 Feb 9, 2013
Concerned wrote:
OK I just found Rich Bergeron's link : http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/investigative...
The link mentions that Lucille died from suicide - actually that's depression & it is still linked to her debilitating condition .... so wrongful death is still a fact. I REALLY cannot stand that suicide is ever a choice! So sorry, Lucille!
To Rich Bergeron - we would look forward to reading some of Lucille's poems & wish you well on continuing to publish a book on this!
Your remark is insulting to people like Lucille. People like you who self-righteously sniff about depression being the only cause, or the main cause, or the ultimate cause, or even the proximate cause, of a suicide have never lived with severe, chronic, debilitating pain. Do yourself, and us, a favor. Before you say anything else that's stupid, go to Netflix, or maybe Youtube, and rent a movie called "The Suicide Tourist." If this movie doesn't make you reconsider your opinion, then just wait. Life eventually will.

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