Why America Is Going To Miss The Bush Tax Cuts

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“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

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President Obama seems to have a strategy to terminate all of the Bush tax cuts, not just those for “the rich,” as he has been saying since 2008. He is offering the Republicans exactly zero concessions in the “fiscal cliff” negotiations. No spending cuts, no entitlement reform, no compromise on the rates. It is entirely my way or the highway, and if the Republicans refuse to do everything exactly as he demands, he will let the Bush tax cuts expire entirely, for the middle class and working people as well as the upper incomes, and blame the Republicans for refusing to go along with him, and for the economic results.

It is a cynical game worthy of an undeveloped, third world country, not the United States of America. But this is just one more reason, with many more to come, for the American people to regret the mistake they made on Election Day.

Because so many major media institutions, like the New York Times and the Washington Post, have been so duplicitous and dishonest in discussing the Bush tax cuts, most Americans don’t know much about them, even though they have been living with them for 10 years or more now. Indeed, most of what they think they know is not true. But the American people will understand them better, when they see what life is like without them.

President Bush and his Congressional Republican majorities at the time cut taxes for everyone in the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. Indeed, they cut more for lower and middle income taxpayers than they did for “the rich,” as Obama calls the nation’s job creators, investors, and successful small businesses. The top tax rate was cut by only 13%, while the lowest rate was cut by one-third, 33%.

According to official IRS data, the top 1% of income earners paid $84 billion more in federal income taxes in 2007 than in 2000 before the Bush tax cuts were passed, 23% more. The share of total federal income taxes paid by the top 1% rose from 37% in 2000, before the Bush tax cuts, to 40% in 2007, after the tax cuts.

In contrast, the bottom half of income earners paid $6 billion less in federal income taxes in 2007 than in 2000, a decline of 16%. The share of federal income taxes paid by the bottom 50% declined from 3.9% in 2000 to 2.9% in 2007.

The Bush tax cuts also included a doubling of the child tax credit from $500 per child to $1,000 per child. Because of that, and the 33% cut in the bottom tax rate, nearly 8 million more people dropped off the federal income tax rolls entirely, paying zero federal income taxes. Indeed, under the Bush tax cuts, the bottom 40% of all income earners not only paid no federal income taxes, as a group on net. By 2009, they were being paid cash by the IRS equal to 10% of all federal income taxes.

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These Bush tax cuts did not explode the deficit, as Obama and his echo chamber have alleged. By 2007, the deficit was down to $160 billion, less than 15% of Obama’s deficits today. Total federal revenues soared from $793.7 billion in 2003, when the last of the Bush tax cuts were enacted, to $1.16 trillion in 2007, a 47% increase. Capital gains revenues had doubled by 2005, despite the 25% capital gains rate cut adopted in 2003. Federal revenues rose to 18.5% of GDP by 2007, above the long term, postwar, historical average over the prior 60 years. CBO was projecting surpluses to return indefinitely in 2012 through the end of its projection period in 2018.

Bush did increase federal spending as a percent of GDP by one-seventh, erasing the federal spending cuts enacted by the Republican Congressional majorities in the 1990s. But even with that, deficits during the Bush years averaged just 2% of GDP, one-third less than the average over the prior 50 years. President Obama’s deficits have averaged 5 times as much, at 9.1% of GDP.

The proof is in the pudding over the Bush tax cuts. They were followed by a record 52 straight months of job creation, producing 8 million new jobs, with the unemployment rate falling to 4.4%. Business investment spending, which had declined for 9 straight quarters, reversed and increased 6.7% per quarter, producing all those new jobs.

Because of that increased investment, labor productivity soared by 2.5% annually from 2003 to 2007, higher than the averages of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. As a result, real after tax income per capita increased by more than 11%.

Manufacturing output soared to its highest level in 20 years. The stock market revived, creating almost $7 trillion in new shareholder wealth. From 2003 to 2007, the S&P 500 almost doubled. After the Bush tax cuts started in 2001, quickly ending the 2001 recession, the economy continued to grow for another 73 months. From 2000 to 2007, real GDP grew by more than 17%, meaning an additional $2.1 trillion for the American people.

This was mostly the opposite of what President Obama has produced, with his neo-Marxist Obamanomics, particularly unemployment more than twice as high, declining middle class incomes, soaring poverty, weak job growth, stagnant stock market values, collapsing business investment, and negligible growth in GDP.

Of course, the Bush tax cut boom was ended by the 2008 financial crisis. But as discussed in many previous columns, that was caused by the excessive overregulation of President Clinton’s home ownership promotion policies, creating the subprime mortgage market and the housing bubble, and by President Bush’s cheap dollar monetary policies. Obama’s foolish argument that the Bush tax cuts caused the 2008-2009 recession is so dishonest that abusive propaganda alone should disqualify him from office.

Obama’s gleeful termination of the Bush tax cuts will produce just the opposite results of those tax cuts. The combination of all the tax rate increases, along with Obama’s abusive overregulation, and the Fed’s continued mischief, will throw the economy back into recession next year. Unemployment will soar back into double digits, breaking the post depression record of 10.8%. The deficit will soar to over $2 trillion, setting new all time world records. The national debt as a percent of GDP will gallop past Greece.

Middle class incomes will plummet further. Poverty will soar to new all time records.

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We can’t afford the Bush tax cuts, as Obama says? We can’t afford to terminate them. Over the past 45 years, every time the capital gains tax rate has been increased, capital gains revenues have declined rather than increased. Obama’s nearly 60% increase in that rate will have the same effect. After the Bush cut in taxes on dividends, dividends paid soared, and so did taxes paid on those dividends. Obama’s near tripling of that tax will have the opposite effect as well. Indeed, if the economy declines back into renewed recession, total federal revenues will decline rather than increase.

Obama’s ploy of blaming all of this on the Republicans will not work this time. The public knows the Bush tax cuts were adopted into law by the Republicans, with complete Republican control of Congress and the White House at the time. It will be too obvious that it took President Obama and his new neo-Marxist Democrat Party to let them expire.

Enjoy the new Obama recession. You and your neighbors voted for it.
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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
We can’t afford the Bush tax cuts, as Obama says? We can’t afford to terminate them. Over the past 45 years, every time the capital gains tax rate has been increased, capital gains revenues have declined rather than increased. Obama’s nearly 60% increase in that rate will have the same effect. After the Bush cut in taxes on dividends, dividends paid soared, and so did taxes paid on those dividends. Obama’s near tripling of that tax will have the opposite effect as well. Indeed, if the economy declines back into renewed recession, total federal revenues will decline rather than increase.
Obama’s ploy of blaming all of this on the Republicans will not work this time. The public knows the Bush tax cuts were adopted into law by the Republicans, with complete Republican control of Congress and the White House at the time. It will be too obvious that it took President Obama and his new neo-Marxist Democrat Party to let them expire.
Enjoy the new Obama recession. You and your neighbors voted for it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012...
Obama wants to keep 98% of the cuts for those under $250k. What part of that don't you understand? Those cuts were supposed to have expired in 2010 anyway, but Obama signed to continue them for an extra two years. So shut up and stop this nonsense you're spouting. He's not going anywhere for four years, Boehner is caving in private, Demint is bailing out, your party is in disarray, and the sun still raises in the east. You can't stop or change anything so live with the changes and keep it moving! Your whining is starting to sickin rational Topix posters. The country has spoken, and the Supreme court didn't have to make the call. The incomes of those making over $250 k year are going up by three points! None if those people will miss a meal because of it. Pipe down loser.

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WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Obama wants to keep 98% of the cuts for those under $250k. What part of that don't you understand? Those cuts were supposed to have expired in 2010 anyway, but Obama signed to continue them for an extra two years. So shut up and stop this nonsense you're spouting. He's not going anywhere for four years, Boehner is caving in private, Demint is bailing out, your party is in disarray, and the sun still raises in the east. You can't stop or change anything so live with the changes and keep it moving! Your whining is starting to sickin rational Topix posters. The country has spoken, and the Supreme court didn't have to make the call. The incomes of those making over $250 k year are going up by three points! None if those people will miss a meal because of it. Pipe down loser.
You actually have the nerve to say that others are whining, angry and losers? You're foaming at the mouth over being presented with numbers that you can't refute. You're only making yourself appear to be exactly what we have always suspected you of being...uneducated, racist and envious.

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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You actually have the nerve to say that others are whining, angry and losers? You're foaming at the mouth over being presented with numbers that you can't refute. You're only making yourself appear to be exactly what we have always suspected you of being...uneducated, racist and envious.
Typical response from a delusional rightwing nut job. Attack a person's education or label them envious when they don't agree with your political ideology. Your "numbers" don't tell the full story and they never will. As far as what other people on Topix in your ilk thinks about me......Hahaha Hahaha! As if you slobs have the power to make or break my endeavors. Once again, your delusional! Sorry Bunker, you and your peeps can't make me feel ostracised by not throwing me the ball...Hahaha Hahaha.

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Bunker, you're not the only one that can post "numbers.

Our guest blogger is Michael Linden, Director for Tax and Budget Policy at the Center for American Progress Action Fund.
Even with today’s disappointing and troubling jobs report, private sector job creation under President Obama has far exceeded private sector job creation under President Bush. 40 months into his presidential term, there are currently more private sector jobs in the economy than when Obama came into office. At the same point in President Bush’s term, the total number of private sector jobs was still down 1.7 percent from where it began.
The numbers are even starker when measuring each president’s record from the moment job creation returned. Private sector job creation returned in February of 2010, the 13th month of President Obama’s term. Since then, the economy has added 4.3 million private sector jobs, a 4 percent increase.
Under President Bush, the economy stopped shedding private sector jobs in July of 2003, fully 30 months into his administration. From that point until May of 2004, the economy added just 1.5 million private sector jobs, an increase of only 1.4 percent.
But there is one area of job creation where President Bush clearly outshines President Obama: the public sector. Public sector employment is now down 608,000 workers since January 2009, a 2.7 percent decline. At the same point in President Bush’s term, public sector employment was up 3.7 percent. If, over the past 40 months, public sector employment had grown at the same pace as it did in President Bush’s first term, there would be 1.4 million additional people at work right now. That’d be enough to bring the unemployment rate down by nearly a full percentage point.
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<quoted text> Obama wants to keep 98% of the cuts for those under $250k. What part of that don't you understand? Those cuts were supposed to have expired in 2010 anyway, but Obama signed to continue them for an extra two years. So shut up and stop this nonsense you're spouting. He's not going anywhere for four years, Boehner is caving in private, Demint is bailing out, your party is in disarray, and the sun still raises in the east. You can't stop or change anything so live with the changes and keep it moving! Your whining is starting to sickin rational Topix posters. The country has spoken, and the Supreme court didn't have to make the call. The incomes of those making over $250 k year are going up by three points! None if those people will miss a meal because of it. Pipe down loser.
The figures are all correct. And you are correct that the wealthy will not miss nor care about a tax hike.

And the amount of additional tax collected is like putting a teaspoon of water into the Atlantic ocean. It will have no positive effect. None.

BUT, the effect of the increased tax to 1040 reporting businesses will result in the lost of 700,000 jobs within two months. And the number will climb.

I had a call from a vet today with her own practice and surgery and she literally cried. And she's tough.

Obamacare will hit employment harder and the middleclass pockets harder. Now 17 democrats who signed it into law want it repealed. WTF?

If you have any money in the market, take it out now.

Obama's main reason for digging in on this is because they are the 'Bush' tax cuts and they worked.

If they were the 'Smith' tax cuts, or any other name, he'd not be so obstinate.

Food assistance has risen by 39, well let's round it off to 40% under Obama. We have no money. We've tapped out our lenders and our dollar is flat. Our credit is about to be down graded and we have no where to turn.

73% of the jobs created under Obama have been government jobs. That means government expense has risen, not revenue created. It's bleak and Nancy Pelosi wants to go home for Christmas and Michelle wants to go to Hawaii.

The republicans have nothing that they can give on if they wanted to. They can't approve more spending and borowing. Would you? Neither party wants to touch SS or medicare. And they shouldn't. The dems will NOT cut social entitlements. John Boether is going to lose his seat, and it's all going to swirl down the drain.

I never thought in a million years that America would be in this much economic trouble. Any economic trouble, really. But, we're there. We're there.

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The figures are all correct. And you are correct that the wealthy will not miss nor care about a tax hike.
And the amount of additional tax collected is like putting a teaspoon of water into the Atlantic ocean. It will have no positive effect. None.
BUT, the effect of the increased tax to 1040 reporting businesses will result in the lost of 700,000 jobs within two months. And the number will climb.
I had a call from a vet today with her own practice and surgery and she literally cried. And she's tough.
Obamacare will hit employment harder and the middleclass pockets harder. Now 17 democrats who signed it into law want it repealed. WTF?
If you have any money in the market, take it out now.
Obama's main reason for digging in on this is because they are the 'Bush' tax cuts and they worked.
If they were the 'Smith' tax cuts, or any other name, he'd not be so obstinate.
Food assistance has risen by 39, well let's round it off to 40% under Obama. We have no money. We've tapped out our lenders and our dollar is flat. Our credit is about to be down graded and we have no where to turn.
73% of the jobs created under Obama have been government jobs. That means government expense has risen, not revenue created. It's bleak and Nancy Pelosi wants to go home for Christmas and Michelle wants to go to Hawaii.
The republicans have nothing that they can give on if they wanted to. They can't approve more spending and borowing. Would you? Neither party wants to touch SS or medicare. And they shouldn't. The dems will NOT cut social entitlements. John Boether is going to lose his seat, and it's all going to swirl down the drain.
I never thought in a million years that America would be in this much economic trouble. Any economic trouble, really. But, we're there. We're there.
Your analogy of the teaspoon and ocean argument is a typical "Hannity" comparison, that holds no water. No one said that taxing those who've made profits beyond any measure than anytime in our history would "fix" the debt problem! That's number one. Number two, that surgeon who's crying over a tax rate that didn't stop businesses or individuals over $250 k yearly income during Clinton's tenure need to grow up and stop acting like a child who spilled her milk!
I doubt very much if she stops eating out at expensive places or cancelling vacations and the such.
Twelve years of cuts and not much economic growth as the Republicans promised. 98% need the cuts continued, the two percent won't even notice the rise.
And what's this obsession with you righties wanting to cut people on S.S. and medicare who are barely surviving as it is? I don't know why the pressure on Congress to keep from dipping into our entitlements is not being forefront.

Bottom line, the cuts for 98% of us will be kept, which you are apart of, and your Dr. friend will have to make do with the nice salary she lives so good on everyday.
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Your analogy of the teaspoon and ocean argument is a typical "Hannity" comparison, that holds no water. No one said that taxing those who've made profits beyond any measure than anytime in our history would "fix" the debt problem! That's number one. Number two, that surgeon who's crying over a tax rate that didn't stop businesses or individuals over $250 k yearly income during Clinton's tenure need to grow up and stop acting like a child who spilled her milk!
I doubt very much if she stops eating out at expensive places or cancelling vacations and the such.
Twelve years of cuts and not much economic growth as the Republicans promised. 98% need the cuts continued, the two percent won't even notice the rise.
And what's this obsession with you righties wanting to cut people on S.S. and medicare who are barely surviving as it is? I don't know why the pressure on Congress to keep from dipping into our entitlements is not being forefront.
Bottom line, the cuts for 98% of us will be kept, which you are apart of, and your Dr. friend will have to make do with the nice salary she lives so good on everyday.
The French are doing great, Hugo Chavez is doing even better in Venezuela!

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WISE AMERICAN wrote:
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Your analogy of the teaspoon and ocean argument is a typical "Hannity" comparison, that holds no water. No one said that taxing those who've made profits beyond any measure than anytime in our history would "fix" the debt problem! That's number one. Number two, that surgeon who's crying over a tax rate that didn't stop businesses or individuals over $250 k yearly income during Clinton's tenure need to grow up and stop acting like a child who spilled her milk!
I doubt very much if she stops eating out at expensive places or cancelling vacations and the such.
Twelve years of cuts and not much economic growth as the Republicans promised. 98% need the cuts continued, the two percent won't even notice the rise.
And what's this obsession with you righties wanting to cut people on S.S. and medicare who are barely surviving as it is? I don't know why the pressure on Congress to keep from dipping into our entitlements is not being forefront.
Bottom line, the cuts for 98% of us will be kept, which you are apart of, and your Dr. friend will have to make do with the nice salary she lives so good on everyday.
You misunderstood me, WA. I said SS and medicare should NEVER BE TOUCHED. In the first place, they are not entitlements...they were paid for by the employee and their employer far in advance of them ever collecting them. It's not the government's money!

I do not understand when they talk about cutting entitlements, BOTH parties go right to SS and medicare, when in fact, they are NOT entitlements, but, at the least annuities.

You have my vet/surgeon completely in the wrong light. She is a small business, office and surgi suite in her home, one employee and just barely eeking out a tiny living the past 8 years. Granted she is too generous with her fees at times, undercharging poor and elderly patients for services to their pets. And she will go to their homes instead of making them come to the office. No expensive anything and certainly, no vacations. Perhaps she should give it up and go to work for a vet hospital, but ethically, she left that because the big vet hospitals do and charge for many unnecessary tests, running the bill up on patients.

I spent another hour on the phone with her today, and her financial advisor and am going to look at her books myself on Sunday. She's a sub-chapter S-Corp, takes no salary and I cannot see how she can owe the amount of taxes IRS is telling her; and she is scared to death of 1/1/31.

Now I do have a people surgeon close friend and he is not complaining at all. But he's been in private practice 30 to 40 years and stopped taking medicare patients, which is his right, years ago. The government does not reimburse the medical providers in anywhere near a timely fashion.

I don't watch Hannity, by the way.

I still hold to, and know for certain, that including small businesses that gross more than $250K and file through 1040's, in the tax hike will create 700,000 lost jobs immediately, stifle job creation and business start ups.

As for individuals making $250K and over, they don't care and will not feel it. But the congress needs to exempt the 1040 filing businesses.

The country is still in an economic shape I thought I would never see. Not only do we need to stop spending, we need to stop borrowing. Although that will be taken care of on it's own as no one in their right mind will lend to us.

There are so many areas where spending can be cut that it boggles the mind. Government grants for robotic squirrels and shrimp on threadmills. Welfare and medicaid fraud, government junkets, 24 hour SS for Valarie Jarrett; the list goes on and on. You may say they are small amounts and inconsequential, but it all adds up.

I don't see any meeting of the minds in the near future in DC.

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WISERER american wrote:
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The French are doing great, Hugo Chavez is doing even better in Venezuela!
Chavez had cancer surgery yesterday in Cuba and is not expected to recover enough to return to Venezuela.

My friends and business associates in France are relocating. The 75% tax rate has run them off.

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Chavez had cancer surgery yesterday in Cuba and is not expected to recover enough to return to Venezuela.
My friends and business associates in France are relocating. The 75% tax rate has run them off.
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I don't care what wikipedia has to say about taxation in France. Our trainer and his family, whom I talk to daily and have known since 1991, are relocating because of the taxation there, along with two jockeys and one social friend.

There are other things the French government has in place also that make doing business there too prohibitive. I broke my arm in an auto accident. I was at my desk the next day. Big deal. The French trainer was amazed. In France, if you break your arm, by law, you are pardoned from work and the employer must to pay you for three months. Period. No discussion.

Some occupations, you could not do with a broken arm, but many you absolutely can.

But the French Tax system is far off topic here.

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I don't care what wikipedia has to say about taxation in France. Our trainer and his family, whom I talk to daily and have known since 1991, are relocating because of the taxation there, along with two jockeys and one social friend.
There are other things the French government has in place also that make doing business there too prohibitive. I broke my arm in an auto accident. I was at my desk the next day. Big deal. The French trainer was amazed. In France, if you break your arm, by law, you are pardoned from work and the employer must to pay you for three months. Period. No discussion.
Some occupations, you could not do with a broken arm, but many you absolutely can.
But the French Tax system is far off topic here.
You make a valid point about discarding the wikipedia article. If we start paying attention to facts the ability to make up numbers and situations for things we know nothing about would be markedly reduced. We can't really go about operating on the basis of fact. How dreadfully silly of me. My deepest apologies.
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<quoted text>Typical response from a delusional rightwing nut job. Attack a person's education or label them envious when they don't agree with your political ideology. Your "numbers" don't tell the full story and they never will. As far as what other people on Topix in your ilk thinks about me......Hahaha Hahaha! As if you slobs have the power to make or break my endeavors. Once again, your delusional! Sorry Bunker, you and your peeps can't make me feel ostracised by not throwing me the ball...Hahaha Hahaha.
you call FACT political analogy

as stated....you require education
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No. Obamacare does not go into effect until 2014.
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No. Obamacare does not go into effect until 2014.
until it is determined we have reached the final debt ceiling. Ceiling is the roof, top, end.

so if all those RINO's grow a pair and stand firm, then Obamacare remains a fantasy.

and if those RINO's cave, expect the largest mass firing in 2 years that will exceed the landslide 2010 placement of them.

so in closing, with Michigan being a right to work state; and Obamacare in reality a fantasy, and 1.6 trillion dollars annually cut from spending, I would say Obama will go down in history as achieving results that saved America from sure ruin.

the 2013 budget can be presented 5/1/2013. The treasury will have a good grasp at the take; and thats all there is folks.

Obama redefined lame duck, he can go on vacation for 4 years. His legacy will be the man who saved America.
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The French are doing great, Hugo Chavez is doing even better in Venezuela!
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