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"Modern Family: Selfish Adults Produce Children Absent Marriage, Romance, or Commitment"

This is how progressives operate.

The family is an anachronism. And children are just accessories. I feel bad for the kids raised without loving, married biological parents. Because when hipsters decide to have kids in this manner, it's ultimately not with the child's best interests in mind.

At the New York Times, "Seeking to Reproduce Without a Romantic Partnership":

Rachel Hope is 5-foot-9 and likes yoga, dance and martial arts. A real estate developer and freelance writer in Los Angeles, Ms. Hope, 41, is seeking a man who lives near her, is healthy and fit, and “has his financial stuff together,” she said. Parker Williams, the 42-year-old founder of QTheory, a charity auction company also in Los Angeles, would seem like a good candidate. A 6-foot-2 former model who loves animals, Mr. Williams is athletic, easygoing, compassionate and organized.

Neither Ms. Hope nor Mr. Williams is interested in a romantic liaison. But they both want a child, and they’re in serious discussions about having, and raising, one together. Never mind that Mr. Williams is gay and that the two did not know of each other’s existence until last October, when they met on Modamily.com , a Web site for people looking to share parenting arrangements.

Mr. Williams and Ms. Hope are among a new breed of online daters, looking not for love but rather a partner with whom to build a decidedly non-nuclear family. And several social networks...have sprung up over the past few years to help them....

“I’ve met so many women in this same situation, who aren’t married and feel like they missed the boat,” said Dawn Pieke, 43, a sales and marketing manager in Omaha, Neb., whose daughter, Indigo, was born last October. Ms. Pieke met Indigo’s father, Fabian Blue, on a Facebook page for Co-parents.net in June 2011, not long after the end of her 10-year relationship. She wanted a baby, but feared doing it alone because, she said,“I didn’t grow up with my dad.” Rather than focusing on a love match, she decided to find someone to share both the financial and emotional stresses of child rearing.

Mr. Blue, for his part, had wanted to be a father since 2006. He had considered adoption, but “figured no one would let a single gay male adopt a child, and I didn’t have the kind of income for a surrogate,” he said. He went on Craigslist and parenting Web sites and had coffee dates with a handful of women, but “just like in any relationship there needed to be a spark and it simply wasn’t there,” he said. With Ms. Pieke, though, he said the electricity was palpable from the start. The two corresponded on Facebook and then Skype, asking each other questions about everything from religion to dating to child-rearing philosophies. By November he decided to move from Melbourne, Australia, where he was living, to Omaha.

“My twin sister was like,‘Are you kidding me?’” Ms. Pieke recalled with a laugh.“I said,‘No. He wants a child. I want a child. We want to meet and see if it’s anything bigger.’”

They first met in person on Thanksgiving 2011.“I felt like this guy was my relative or long-lost brother, but then again he was also a stranger,” Ms. Pieke said. They continued the dialogue: reading each other’s medical charts, undergoing fertility tests. He moved into a separate bedroom in her home, and, she said, four weeks later,“He handed me a semen sample, we hugged, and I went into my bedroom and inseminated myself.”....

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It's a bunch of homosexuals servicing selfish and immature women.

Our society is getting pretty f-ked. Grow up people.
It's not all about you and your needs.
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The New Normal. How dare you condemn it?

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Why are hatemongers so interested in how other people live their lives.
That story could not possibly have any effect on your life.
Bad news guy, the world does not revolve around you.

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WDRussell wrote:
Why are hatemongers so interested in how other people live their lives.
That story could not possibly have any effect on your life.
Bad news guy, the world does not revolve around you.
The children produced by these dysfunctional pairs are the future of America. Every one of us will be impacted, as the family -- the building block of every successful society -- is destroyed beyond all recognition.

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WDRussell wrote:
Why are hatemongers so interested in how other people live their lives.
That story could not possibly have any effect on your life.
Bad news guy, the world does not revolve around you.
Well, I guess everyone needs someone to feel superior to.

Frankly, I would judge the number of gay men who want to parent with older but wiser women--and vice versa to be a rather smallish subset of American culture.

But certainly the "marriage of convenience" is nothing new--been around for eons.

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-tip- wrote:
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The children produced by these dysfunctional pairs are the future of America. Every one of us will be impacted, as the family -- the building block of every successful society -- is destroyed beyond all recognition.
Perhaps you should put some thought into defining a "dysfunctional" pair. Seems as though the cited relationships, while not the norm, are clear, focused, respectful.

On the other hand, feel free to spin the TV dial any afternoon and see plenty of truly "dysfunctional" couples (meaning unable to communicate, lacking in respect, unable to identify shared goal and the like) among those who have married.

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FKA Reader wrote:
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Perhaps you should put some thought into defining a "dysfunctional" pair. Seems as though the cited relationships, while not the norm, are clear, focused, respectful.
On the other hand, feel free to spin the TV dial any afternoon and see plenty of truly "dysfunctional" couples (meaning unable to communicate, lacking in respect, unable to identify shared goal and the like) among those who have married.
Says the progressive who regularly derides the traditional nuclear family and its roles as non-existent and/or dysfunctional. The poor, urban youth you claim to champion are starving for this model...while you pretend that government or an online sperm donor can replace the role of the father-provider.

Most couples don't enter marriage and create a family planning on divorce. While divorce happens -- and some for good reasons -- it is not the goal. And every parent knows how difficult divorce is on children.

The pairs in this article have intentionally imposed a split family on their child from the very start. Further, one of the parents is hetero and the other is h0m0. Good grief, could a child have a more confused beginning to life?

Perhaps you resented your 1950s traditional family upbringing, but that model has served mankind well for centuries. And many of us may attest to its benefits as compared to any other model. In point of fact, there has never been a divorce in my family -- on either side -- for the 300 years we have traced back our lineage.

My grandparents were quite proud of this heritage.
And my children are as well.
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The children produced by these dysfunctional pairs are the future of America. Every one of us will be impacted, as the family -- the building block of every successful society -- is destroyed beyond all recognition.
You have absolutely no idea what the children in these stories will grow into being, just the same as you have no idea what any specific/hypothetical child born into a traditional nuclear family will mature into.

Based upon all I've read previously, it sounds to me as if all these two couple would have to do is get married, and you and Paco would have no problem with them, other than the sexuality of the two males involved.

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Says the progressive who regularly derides the traditional nuclear family and its roles as non-existent and/or dysfunctional. The poor, urban youth you claim to champion are starving for this model...while you pretend that government or an online sperm donor can replace the role of the father-provider.
Most couples don't enter marriage and create a family planning on divorce. While divorce happens -- and some for good reasons -- it is not the goal. And every parent knows how difficult divorce is on children.
The pairs in this article have intentionally imposed a split family on their child from the very start. Further, one of the parents is hetero and the other is h0m0. Good grief, could a child have a more confused beginning to life?
Perhaps you resented your 1950s traditional family upbringing, but that model has served mankind well for centuries. And many of us may attest to its benefits as compared to any other model. In point of fact, there has never been a divorce in my family -- on either side -- for the 300 years we have traced back our lineage.
My grandparents were quite proud of this heritage.
And my children are as well.
Maybe you want to provide evidence that I routinely deride the traditional model. I don't. However, I am cognizant that merely counting the number and gender of adults in the box is far from a definition of functionality.

As far as the 1950s model having served well for centuries, well, not so much. In fact, viewed historically, that model is more an aberration than example of what is typical.

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You have absolutely no idea what the children in these stories will grow into being, just the same as you have no idea what any specific/hypothetical child born into a traditional nuclear family will mature into.
Based upon all I've read previously, it sounds to me as if all these two couple would have to do is get married, and you and Paco would have no problem with them, other than the sexuality of the two males involved.
woof
These individuals specifically rejected marriage in their pursuit of parenthood; they have absolutely no loving, personal commitment to one another. In fact, their creation of this child is similar to a mail-order process.

A family was not created. Instead, they have created a child -- whom both may claim individually in their separate lives and at their whim, as they shuttle him or her back and forth between their two worlds.

A puppy would have been a more appropriate object of affection for these folks. And even a puppy wouldn't be happy with this unstable arrangement.

The fact that one of the parents has a psychological disorder with respect to his sexuality only adds to the chaos.

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Maybe you want to provide evidence that I routinely deride the traditional model. I don't. However, I am cognizant that merely counting the number and gender of adults in the box is far from a definition of functionality.
As far as the 1950s model having served well for centuries, well, not so much. In fact, viewed historically, that model is more an aberration than example of what is typical.
You provided the evidence in your second paragraph.
You can't help yourself.

Multiple times you have derided the 1950s model claiming that "Leave it to Beaver" was fantasy. Really? No kidding...it's a TV show. You're right...most women don't mop the floor wearing pearls. Nevertheless, the show presented the ideal of a loving, supportive, financially-stable, two-parent family. And, yes, it was reflective of its era -- just as today's TV shows are, sadly, reflective of our era.

Anyone with half a brain knows which is better for society.

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Once again, tip can't understand how anyone could drive a car when he drives a pickup. And somehow that person driving a car is less moral than he is.

Yet he spews hate daily.
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These individuals specifically rejected marriage in their pursuit of parenthood; they have absolutely no loving, personal commitment to one another. In fact, their creation of this child is similar to a mail-order process.
A family was not created. Instead, they have created a child -- whom both may claim individually in their separate lives and at their whim, as they shuttle him or her back and forth between their two worlds.
A puppy would have been a more appropriate object of affection for these folks. And even a puppy wouldn't be happy with this unstable arrangement.
The fact that one of the parents has a psychological disorder with respect to his sexuality only adds to the chaos.
You are equally outraged at divorce too, right?

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These individuals specifically rejected marriage in their pursuit of parenthood; they have absolutely no loving, personal commitment to one another. In fact, their creation of this child is similar to a mail-order process.
Mail-order brides helped to populate the American West.

And the phenomenon is not completely extinct today.

Did you ever hear of the "orphan trains"? In fact, most of those children were not truly orphans. Some may have been abandoned by impoverished families, but many more were removed due to poverty or because they were adjudged delinquent. But, they were carried across country to be taken in by whoever showed up at the local railroad station--most often looking for farm help. Some "families" thus formed were benevolent and loving, others cruel and abusive.

So--you offer an example of two mature adults who earnestly wish to parent a child they have created--albeit not together--I'd say we've frequently done worse.

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You provided the evidence in your second paragraph.
You can't help yourself.
Multiple times you have derided the 1950s model claiming that "Leave it to Beaver" was fantasy. Really? No kidding...it's a TV show. You're right...most women don't mop the floor wearing pearls. Nevertheless, the show presented the ideal of a loving, supportive, financially-stable, two-parent family. And, yes, it was reflective of its era -- just as today's TV shows are, sadly, reflective of our era.
Anyone with half a brain knows which is better for society.
You are voting for parents who don't share a bed in houses without toilets, right?

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You are equally outraged at divorce too, right?
Take your reading comprehension problems elsewhere.

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Take your reading comprehension problems elsewhere.
You are saying that you champion divorce?

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Once again, tip can't understand how anyone could drive a car when he drives a pickup. And somehow that person driving a car is less moral than he is.
Yet he spews hate daily.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot with your pathetic euphemisms, paleface?

It is not hateful to recognize the instability intentionally created for a child at the whim of two uncommitted parties.

Interestingly, you progressives laud such behavior in this instance. Meanwhile, you blame conservatives for the exact same issue plaguing the urban youth of America [single mothers]...and then demand that government [i.e., working taxpayers] intervene as provider for those children.

Either way...you're missing the foundational point: neither child enjoys the undeniable benefits of a committed, two-parent family home.

You can't have it both ways.

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You are saying that you champion divorce?
Post #7.

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...So--you offer an example of two mature adults who earnestly wish to parent a child they have created--albeit not together--I'd say we've frequently done worse.
Mature adults do not INTENTIONALLY create a child outside of a committed, two-parent home.

Selfish, unthinking adults -- and teens -- do.

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