Walmart referendum won't make ballot

Walmart referendum won't make ballot

There are 17 comments on the ThisWeek Community Newspapers story from Aug 24, 2011, titled Walmart referendum won't make ballot. In it, ThisWeek Community Newspapers reports that:

Walmart opponents fell short of the 1,679 signatures they needed to seek a repeal of Westerville City Council's decision to allow the redevelopment of Westerville Square.

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Cmon man

Seymour, IL

#1 Aug 25, 2011
"Organizers of the petition drive did not return phone calls Aug. 23"

Why should they start now? They haven't returned calls yet. They also need to read and digest this article.

http://thisweeknews.com/live/content/dublin/s...
Westervill gal

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#2 Aug 25, 2011
Finally. Now maybe Westerville can focus on other important issues, like taxes, taxes, taxes and the constant onslaught of increases from the schoolboard.
I will be voting NO in November to this latest request.
NoWalmartForWest erville

Columbus, OH

#3 Aug 25, 2011
Westervill gal wrote:
Finally. Now maybe Westerville can focus on other important issues, like taxes, taxes, taxes and the constant onslaught of increases from the schoolboard.
I will be voting NO in November to this latest request.
Yes, there are far more important matters to discuss than Walmart.. And I am with you on a NO vote on any future levy/tax increases...Hey..with Walmart coming into the community and all of those tax dollars they will bring..the Westerville School Board can keep their hands out of my pocket.. I have to work 3 jobs to make ends meet...let them do the same..I don't get a free ride..why should they??
New to Westerville

Westerville, OH

#4 Aug 25, 2011
I am voting no on the tax levy in November. We have had to make sacrifices in cutting back in our home. and I have not received a raise this year. School fees are high and along with buying supplies, especially after my child's teachers requests more supplies in addition to the list. Over $150 in supplies for school.
Voting NO!
My hometown's school Vandalia Butler School district has an Excellent rating and the teachers all agreed to waive their raises this year to help the community.
Hopefully the Board will realize the same.
teacher

Marengo, OH

#5 Aug 25, 2011
New to Westerville wrote:
I am voting no on the tax levy in November. We have had to make sacrifices in cutting back in our home. and I have not received a raise this year. School fees are high and along with buying supplies, especially after my child's teachers requests more supplies in addition to the list. Over $150 in supplies for school.
Voting NO!
My hometown's school Vandalia Butler School district has an Excellent rating and the teachers all agreed to waive their raises this year to help the community.
Hopefully the Board will realize the same.
Hey, the teachers just voluntarily cut out 1.7 million from next year's payroll to help the community. A lot wanted to cut even more. I spend over $400 every year to pay for things for my classroom and students that the district doesn't provide. I just spent $500 to enhance the outdated technology in my classroom because the district eliminated the funding that was supposed to cover it. I gave about $100 last year to students who couldn't afford to buy lunch. A lot of teachers in Westerville do the same. No one ever acknowledges this part of teaching. Everyone just talks about how greedy teachers are.
voting taxpayer

Westerville, OH

#6 Aug 25, 2011
I think having a Walmart will provide additional taxes to the city and be of help, even regardless of the concerns.

I don't agree with Walmart's employment practices, but see that it can help the city with the additional taxes.
New to Westerville

Westerville, OH

#7 Aug 25, 2011
I applaud the teachers for giving up what they did. I agree that teachers give quite a bit throughout the year. Westerville does have excellent teachers.
I think most parents contribute quite a bit too, along with the PTAs. I usually support levies, but at some point the board can't continue to ask for more money every several years, as I understand Westerville has. Also, not thrilled that the new treasurer is getting paid more than the former treasurer along with the perks the treasurer gets.

again, I applaud the teachers for the contributions and would normally support levies, but in this case, not at this time, It's hard economic times for everyone. Not just cities, govt., teachers, etc.
Cmon man

Seymour, IL

#8 Aug 26, 2011
teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, the teachers just voluntarily cut out 1.7 million from next year's payroll to help the community. A lot wanted to cut even more. I spend over $400 every year to pay for things for my classroom and students that the district doesn't provide. I just spent $500 to enhance the outdated technology in my classroom because the district eliminated the funding that was supposed to cover it. I gave about $100 last year to students who couldn't afford to buy lunch. A lot of teachers in Westerville do the same. No one ever acknowledges this part of teaching. Everyone just talks about how greedy teachers are.
Just so everyone is clear on what they "voluntarily cut"...I am livid that the board calls these "cuts" when they are only reductions of scheduled increases.

http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/west...

"The concessions include the reduction of salary increases agreed upon during negotiations last year. Instead of the previously approved 1.75-percent salary increase for the 2011-2012 school year, teachers will receive a 0.875-percent increase."

They gave up only about 1/2 of next year's scheduled raise (they still get one) and only gave up 1/2 of the step increases (those eligible still get 1/2 of their step increase). This only applies for one year. It doesn't help the future budget beyond this year at a time when we see many other local districts, freezing ALL salaries for up to two-three years. Don't for get also that the administration still gets a free ride on health care and public retirement contributions.

As for the walmart I think the local group is just mad that they may not have a parking lot to watch the fireworks from.
Mike fm Taxerville

Dublin, OH

#9 Aug 26, 2011
Whats wrong with Walmart?

More jobs equall more taxes.

Traffic is only a very small issue. The only added traffic that Walmart will bring is from 270 to Schrock. Big Deal.

Something needs to be done with the old armory.

Northside updated - southside being updated.

Now its time to have Uptown step up. What a ugly area that is. Whats up with the ugly blue tarps?
recheck please

Marengo, OH

#10 Aug 26, 2011
Cannot believe that all those very many signatures were disqualified. Something is not right about that. Regarding the other comments made here that walmart will bring more tax money in, are you kidding? The people that work there will make minimum wage and probably would get most tax money withheld returned. The developer has to pay property taxes now and any increase would be minimal. There is little to be gained and much will be lost and will have to be recouped by increase in Westerville resident taxes. And a PS to comments about this center being more than half empty for the past 15 years....that is a total lie.
HopeFor Stepford

Columbus, OH

#11 Aug 26, 2011
recheck please wrote:
Cannot believe that all those very many signatures were disqualified. Something is not right about that. Regarding the other comments made here that walmart will bring more tax money in, are you kidding? The people that work there will make minimum wage and probably would get most tax money withheld returned. The developer has to pay property taxes now and any increase would be minimal. There is little to be gained and much will be lost and will have to be recouped by increase in Westerville resident taxes. And a PS to comments about this center being more than half empty for the past 15 years....that is a total lie.
I've lived in Westerville for 16 years and the main anchor space, the former Lazarus Capri, has been empty during at least that time so whoever said that spoke the truth. And BelAir Furniture has been gone how long?! But yes on something weird about the signatures - many signed it not understanding where they live, like in a township where they are not eligible to vote on it. If they are too confused to know the difference between where they reside and their mailing zip code, they should not be voting anyway. Many also reportedly signed it knowing they were invalid because they were tired of this snobbery and want to see it redeveloped. The petitioners could have checked for validity and didn't. City income revenue on vacant space is still revenue we aren't currently getting. There is much to be gained by that. Not all will be minimum wage cashiers; there will be managers too.
Westervill gal

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#12 Aug 26, 2011
recheck please wrote:
Cannot believe that all those very many signatures were disqualified. Something is not right about that. Regarding the other comments made here that walmart will bring more tax money in, are you kidding? The people that work there will make minimum wage and probably would get most tax money withheld returned. The developer has to pay property taxes now and any increase would be minimal. There is little to be gained and much will be lost and will have to be recouped by increase in Westerville resident taxes. And a PS to comments about this center being more than half empty for the past 15 years....that is a total lie.
Are you suggesting something illegal took place in counting the votes by the Board of Elections? Whether the center has been half empty for 15 years or not, one must admit that the center looks awful. I don't see the logic in thinking there will have to be an increase in resident taxes because WalMart goes in. Please explain.
Cmon man

Seymour, IL

#13 Aug 26, 2011
recheck please wrote:
Cannot believe that all those very many signatures were disqualified. Something is not right about that. Regarding the other comments made here that walmart will bring more tax money in, are you kidding? The people that work there will make minimum wage and probably would get most tax money withheld returned. The developer has to pay property taxes now and any increase would be minimal. There is little to be gained and much will be lost and will have to be recouped by increase in Westerville resident taxes. And a PS to comments about this center being more than half empty for the past 15 years....that is a total lie.
I stood there for a few minutes and watched someone collect signatures. Not once did they ask where someone lived, only if they would sign the petition. So if someone lived in Blendon Twp, Genoa Twp, or anywhere other than Westerville, they would not be eligible because this is a city of Westerville issue.

http://www.franklincountyoh.metacama.com/do/s...

The site currently generates approx 259,000 in property tax. The school district gets about 160,000 of that. Once renovated I would expect the value to double which will in turn double the taxes paid (approx). I would say that is more than minimal. I would say that's well worth it. BTW there are NO tax breaks on this redevelopment.
NoMoreTaxesInWes terville

Columbus, OH

#14 Aug 29, 2011
teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, the teachers just voluntarily cut out 1.7 million from next year's payroll to help the community. A lot wanted to cut even more. I spend over $400 every year to pay for things for my classroom and students that the district doesn't provide. I just spent $500 to enhance the outdated technology in my classroom because the district eliminated the funding that was supposed to cover it. I gave about $100 last year to students who couldn't afford to buy lunch. A lot of teachers in Westerville do the same. No one ever acknowledges this part of teaching. Everyone just talks about how greedy teachers are.
You need to have your WEA union organization do a MUCH better job of articulating this very issue so taxpayers know that teachers sacrifice just as much or more than most. Westerville teachers cut one pay cycle out of this years payroll but you did not GIVE IT UP so there is a distinction as to what is a sacrifice and what is a delay...But I personnaly appreciate what you and the other members of WEA did to help out. But the bottom line is that I simply can not afford another levy increase or a school district income tax. I am being taxed out of my home. I have gone from a mid 70k salary to a mid 40k due to the ecomony but my expenses have not gone down accordingly. I have endured tax increase after tax increase until I know longer can afford to support a levy increase. I, like all non-union households, do not get automatic increase (step) or even a consideration of an increase if I continue or improve my education. There ARE NO guarantees if you are not a union member or covered by a union contract. I would die to the opportunity to be a union member but that ain't going happen in my lifetime so I have no choice but to say "NO" to any new taxes. This is not reflection on the WEA or the WSB. Both have done an excellent job. This is a reflection of what our economy is like and will be for the foreseeable future..no hope...no change and no chance that this levy will succeed...
NoWalmartForWest erville

Columbus, OH

#15 Aug 29, 2011
Cmon man wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so everyone is clear on what they "voluntarily cut"...I am livid that the board calls these "cuts" when they are only reductions of scheduled increases.
http://www.thisweeknews.com/live/content/west...
"The concessions include the reduction of salary increases agreed upon during negotiations last year. Instead of the previously approved 1.75-percent salary increase for the 2011-2012 school year, teachers will receive a 0.875-percent increase."
They gave up only about 1/2 of next year's scheduled raise (they still get one) and only gave up 1/2 of the step increases (those eligible still get 1/2 of their step increase). This only applies for one year. It doesn't help the future budget beyond this year at a time when we see many other local districts, freezing ALL salaries for up to two-three years. Don't for get also that the administration still gets a free ride on health care and public retirement contributions.
As for the walmart I think the local group is just mad that they may not have a parking lot to watch the fireworks from.
You can't see the fireworks that well from that parking lot...?;^P
Westervill gal

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#16 Aug 30, 2011
NoMoreTaxesInWesterville wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to have your WEA union organization do a MUCH better job of articulating this very issue so taxpayers know that teachers sacrifice just as much or more than most. Westerville teachers cut one pay cycle out of this years payroll but you did not GIVE IT UP so there is a distinction as to what is a sacrifice and what is a delay...But I personnaly appreciate what you and the other members of WEA did to help out. But the bottom line is that I simply can not afford another levy increase or a school district income tax. I am being taxed out of my home. I have gone from a mid 70k salary to a mid 40k due to the ecomony but my expenses have not gone down accordingly. I have endured tax increase after tax increase until I know longer can afford to support a levy increase. I, like all non-union households, do not get automatic increase (step) or even a consideration of an increase if I continue or improve my education. There ARE NO guarantees if you are not a union member or covered by a union contract. I would die to the opportunity to be a union member but that ain't going happen in my lifetime so I have no choice but to say "NO" to any new taxes. This is not reflection on the WEA or the WSB. Both have done an excellent job. This is a reflection of what our economy is like and will be for the foreseeable future..no hope...no change and no chance that this levy will succeed...
That was very well said.
Had enough

Westerville, OH

#17 Aug 30, 2011
I am voting NO for all tax levies or initiatives on the ballot.
Especially in Columbus, where money was spend on $60 million dollars bridges when it could have been repaired for $9 million.
City Center Park (Coleman Commons) is ugly, has no special appeal and has cost tax payers near $100 million.
And when the City of Columbus Police and Firefighters endorsed Coleman, that did it for me. I will NEVER support their levies.
Hopefully SB5 will rid us of the union goons that are killing the Ohio economy.

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