Police charge teen in pedestrian death

Police charge teen in pedestrian death

There are 75 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Aug 27, 2009, titled Police charge teen in pedestrian death. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

A 16-year-old Westerville youth has been charged with a delinquency count of vehicular homicide in the death of a pedestrian on July 2. William L. Hall Jr.

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Law Student

Columbus, OH

#62 Sep 2, 2009
Insider wrote:
While I'm sure he wasn't trying to kill anyone, he certainly wasn't doing his best to make sure nobody got killed. A CD? Was it THAT important that he had to change it right there and then?
I hope his parents are proud. They certainly seem to be irresponsible.
I would like to clarify something: He was not changing a CD. He was dropping a CD off to someone and was picking the CD up in order to be prepared. No, not the smartest of moves, he could have done it when he was parked and the car was off, but he was not changing the CD.
Law Student

Columbus, OH

#63 Sep 2, 2009
NEED MORE TRAFFIC TICKETS wrote:
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Do you have a "source"? The home address listed in the paper has an owner name different than the juvenile's last name which means it could be a rental property. If it is a rental property, there's another illegality which is that if you look at records at Franklin County Auditor's office the property is not so classified (there is owner occupied tax deduction on property). Frankly, my own finding after looking at volumes of evidence (I mean thousands of documents andinterviews over 35 YEARS!!!) is that the whole country at this point constitutes one GIGANTIC SCAM, from coast to coast, and so it would not surprise me in the least if they were uninsured. More than 10% are driving uninsured and the cops could CARE LESS. I absolutely despise this country: the people you run into here (no pun intended) are just materialistic filth, totally consumed by acquiring the next and greatest "status symbol" all while yakking away (yak, yak, yak) mindlessly on these blasted cell phones. Did you ever hear, ever, a cell phone conservation that had ANY importance. America: Go To Hell!!!
If you hate this country so much, why do you live here? Why don't you go move to China or Russia where you have no freedom? Seems like a pretty simple solution to me.
NEED ENFORCEMENT

Somerset, KY

#64 Sep 2, 2009
Law Student wrote:
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I completely agree. This kid's name and address should NOT have been put in the newspaper. Now, he is being harrassed at school and his family is being harrassed in thier home. They have had to change their phone number because of all the the harrassing calls they have been getting. That was a mitake that was made by the Columbus Dispatch.
And I agree that every driver, at some point or another, is distracted on the road. I don't care if you've had your license for 1 year or 50. At some point, you realize you're human and not perfect.
I would NOT personally harass anyone or "advocate" the same but the fact of the matter is we have 43,000 deaths annually due to motor vehicle crashes and an additional 3 million injuries, some of which are just horrific. Under circumstances such as that almost any tactic is justifiable to get the murder, mayhem, and property destruction stopped. In other words, anybody in this national mass murder campaign (43,000 dead is MASS MURDER) deserves utter and absolute condemnation. Only that tack will get the problem RESOLVED.

Accordingly, your concern about privacy, harrassment, and related issues is not only not particularly relevant but it is not compelling nor is it even rational given the weight of evidence. In fact your concerns are about equivalent, morally, to what the concerns of a "child" would be.

43,000 dead...that's the only salient fact you need to memorize and repeat to your neighbors. Unfortunately, with a mass of bodies like that, whoever is involved in these deaths could potentially endure harrassment. My personal pacificism dictates that I get involved with words only.

Society has a serious problem...you're just not smart enough to perceive it. Also, you evidently (no pun intended) have little true understanding of the law and the purpose of laws. Your focus on the least relevant and the least compelling aspects of the problem well demonstrate that fact.
NEED ENFORCEMENT

Somerset, KY

#65 Sep 2, 2009
Law Student wrote:
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If you hate this country so much, why do you live here? Why don't you go move to China or Russia where you have no freedom? Seems like a pretty simple solution to me.
Here again, you focus on the LEAST relevant aspect of the argument and, worse, one which will never help you gain any understanding. The issue is not the practical, or mechanical one, of where one resides. The issue rather is whether reliable evidence exists that substantiates my point that the country stinks, is a gigantic scam, and so forth. Frankly, and this is almost uniformly the case, arguing with a person like yourself is a wasteful exercise because you've been socialized via "enough" brainwashing that it makes it difficult for you to prioritize FACTS and focus on fundamental causes or underlying phenomena. You basically parrot what the schools told you to parrot over decades and you can't think for yourself. And, the degree of brainwashing we see in people who parrot statements like, "America is Great" (or in case, the hackneyed VARIANT, why don't you move to Russia) is just a remarkable testament to the prevalence of moronism. In fact, the capitalists are counting on the existence of people like yourself in vast numbers because without the naive, the gullible, the manipulable, it would be hard indeed for the capitalists to maintain their iron grip on you. Or, put another way: the QUALITY of your thinking about the problem at hand is pathetic.
NEED ENFORCEMENT

Somerset, KY

#66 Sep 2, 2009
mina schatzie wrote:
Executing the aleady-found-guilty on death row doesn't seem to be stopping murders, rapes, white collar crime, etc. And those crimes were intentional. You can use big words and you can arrange them in a gramatically correct way, but your bottom line is so silly that none of the rest matters.
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I agree, to use your small words, the bottom line is 43,000 deaths per year is "silly", so we don't need to introduce any big words or complex concepts to solve the silly problem. What a riot.
NEED A LIFE

New York, NY

#67 Sep 2, 2009
NEED ENFORCEMENT wrote:
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Here again, you focus on the LEAST relevant aspect of the argument and, worse, one which will never help you gain any understanding. The issue is not the practical, or mechanical one, of where one resides. The issue rather is whether reliable evidence exists that substantiates my point that the country stinks, is a gigantic scam, and so forth. Frankly, and this is almost uniformly the case, arguing with a person like yourself is a wasteful exercise because you've been socialized via "enough" brainwashing that it makes it difficult for you to prioritize FACTS and focus on fundamental causes or underlying phenomena. You basically parrot what the schools told you to parrot over decades and you can't think for yourself. And, the degree of brainwashing we see in people who parrot statements like, "America is Great" (or in case, the hackneyed VARIANT, why don't you move to Russia) is just a remarkable testament to the prevalence of moronism. In fact, the capitalists are counting on the existence of people like yourself in vast numbers because without the naive, the gullible, the manipulable, it would be hard indeed for the capitalists to maintain their iron grip on you. Or, put another way: the QUALITY of your thinking about the problem at hand is pathetic.
No seriously, get out of our country you communist.
mina schatzie

Ellicott City, MD

#68 Sep 2, 2009
Wish you could hear the people laughing at you. I have this image of you...so self-rightous and convinced of your superior intelligence...and people are laughing at what an ass you are. You have a lot of friends, moron?
NEED ENFORCEMENT wrote:
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I agree, to use your small words, the bottom line is 43,000 deaths per year is "silly", so we don't need to introduce any big words or complex concepts to solve the silly problem. What a riot.
NEED ENFORCEMENT

Somerset, KY

#69 Sep 2, 2009
mina schatzie wrote:
Wish you could hear the people laughing at you. I have this image of you...so self-rightous and convinced of your superior intelligence...and people are laughing at what an **** you are. You have a lot of friends, moron?
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Not sure what your point is but your statement that "people are laughing" reveals YOUR own subconscious fear of what other people might think about you. That is, your own concern about people laughing at you tranfers into your speech ABOUT OTHERS. Your statement reveals that you are highly susceptible to "peer pressure" and on account of that I could guess, probably very accurately, what your behavioral profile is. The fact that you are highly susceptible to peer pressure is consistent with my earlier observation that you cannot think independently about the type of problem we have at hand with the child whjo killed the guy. That is, you can only process, indeed parrot, what you have been programmed, over the years, to say. At any rate, most people respond in this fashion so you don't have to feel unusual. In fact you are the norm. The biggest risk, of course, is that the program you are operating under is not particularly consistent with reality...this is where most robots end up with difficulties and that is the issue that you should pay most attention to. That'll be $100 for psychoanalysis time.
NEED ENFORCEMENT

Somerset, KY

#70 Sep 2, 2009
NEED A LIFE wrote:
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No seriously, get out of our country you communist.
What a riot...as if Communists are lepers! Actually most capitalists are communist these days on actual of government subsidies!

The part about get out of the country is equally funny. I get out ocassionally, thanks!
Law Student

Columbus, OH

#71 Sep 2, 2009
NEED ENFORCEMENT wrote:
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I would NOT personally harass anyone or "advocate" the same but the fact of the matter is we have 43,000 deaths annually due to motor vehicle crashes and an additional 3 million injuries, some of which are just horrific. Under circumstances such as that almost any tactic is justifiable to get the murder, mayhem, and property destruction stopped. In other words, anybody in this national mass murder campaign (43,000 dead is MASS MURDER) deserves utter and absolute condemnation. Only that tack will get the problem RESOLVED.
Accordingly, your concern about privacy, harrassment, and related issues is not only not particularly relevant but it is not compelling nor is it even rational given the weight of evidence. In fact your concerns are about equivalent, morally, to what the concerns of a "child" would be.
43,000 dead...that's the only salient fact you need to memorize and repeat to your neighbors. Unfortunately, with a mass of bodies like that, whoever is involved in these deaths could potentially endure harrassment. My personal pacificism dictates that I get involved with words only.
Society has a serious problem...you're just not smart enough to perceive it. Also, you evidently (no pun intended) have little true understanding of the law and the purpose of laws. Your focus on the least relevant and the least compelling aspects of the problem well demonstrate that fact.
As a prosecutor, I have a grasp of what the laws are. And rather than preserving the harshest of punishment for a mistake, accident, whatever you want to call it, I choose to give it to the truly depraved--those who kill productive members of society with purpose and knowlegdge. Those who harm people because they want to. Not 16 year old kids who are just inexperienced.
Yes, 4300 people dead is a terrible thing. But not every one of those people was killed intentionally, and, as a prosecutor, I know for a fact that everybody who committed the act would NEVER receive the death penalty. Perhaps you should read up on some Supreme Court cases, as I have spent the last two and a half years of my life doing.
BIG USA

Warren, NJ

#72 Sep 3, 2009
Who wants to bet this kid screamed out "THAT'S 100 POINTS!" after he plowed into the pedestrian?
NEED ENFORCEMENT

Somerset, KY

#73 Sep 3, 2009
Well, if you're a prosecutor you're not doing a very good job. Here, we have an obvious situation of widespread (daily, hourly) death and destruction attributable to operation of these vehicles. We daily witness about 120 deaths PER DAY PLUS 8,000 injuries PER DAY (that's 8,000 per day, get it?? imagine a pile of 8,000 beat up bodies)(all data are nationwide) are at issue. I have yet to hear even a single prosecutor, LET ALONE YOU, come forth with a clear plan, or even one half-witted statement, indicating how you would get the death and property destruction stopped. Yes, you're not a prosecutor...that means you're a gov't bureaucrat who gets a check every week and performs a prescribed task. Outside of that function which frankly is usually carried robotically and perfunctorily, I doubt you have much INTEREST in the underlying serious issue (that's evident from your reply which is devoid of substance and adds no new information; btw, the irony is I have actually read more Sup. Ct. cases than you ever will in your entire life!!).

You'd first have to have a moral awareness of the problem and then the MOTIVE to actually do something about the problem. So, if you're a prosecutor, let us know EXACTLY when you are planning to open your big mouth, articulate a solution to 120 deaths and 8,000 injuries PER DAY, and get the problem solved for society, which society by the way is paying the bills to keep you alive. Is that clear enough? If not, I can actually make it even clearer, indeed comprehensive.
New York City

Somerset, KY

#74 Sep 3, 2009
BIG USA wrote:
Who wants to bet this kid screamed out "THAT'S 100 POINTS!" after he plowed into the pedestrian?
At least in NY, people STOP after they hit you (even in the South Bronx). Here in the Midwest, they hit you and just blithely continue like it was their right. I think the solution is to get rid of these blasted motor vehicles. Probably the biggest benefit, in addition to saving tens of thousands of lives, would be that the grotesquely obese in Amerika would FINALLY get some needed exercise. And, being as the Prosecutor (see message traffic, no pun intended,...LOL) has already indicated his unwillingless to open his mouth and get the murder and mayhem stopped, outlawing the vehicles would seem to be the only logical recourse. People are dumb...have you looked around you lately?
BIG USA

New York, NY

#75 Sep 3, 2009
New York City wrote:
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At least in NY, people STOP after they hit you (even in the South Bronx). Here in the Midwest, they hit you and just blithely continue like it was their right. I think the solution is to get rid of these blasted motor vehicles. Probably the biggest benefit, in addition to saving tens of thousands of lives, would be that the grotesquely obese in Amerika would FINALLY get some needed exercise. And, being as the Prosecutor (see message traffic, no pun intended,...LOL) has already indicated his unwillingless to open his mouth and get the murder and mayhem stopped, outlawing the vehicles would seem to be the only logical recourse. People are dumb...have you looked around you lately?
Yeah, I try to hit stupid people with my car everyday. If they dent it, then I back up over them. BO-BO-BO BONUS ROUND!
corie

Marion, OH

#76 Sep 7, 2011
Think things thru 1st wrote:
The comments all seem to be out of touch. No one seems to understand that this kid is going to have a horrible life. He probably won't be able to go to college, or even finish high school; so, he is going to have no education. He won't have a good job, and he will live with the fact that he caused to die. Trying him as an adult will not help the family. This was an accident. Harsher penalties and more traffic tickets will not give a solution, because this is not a result of fast driving. It is a result of inexperience, and the fact that distracted driving is common on today's roads.
And JLA ESQ's proposed solution will never happen, 1984 much?
Also NEED MORE TRAFFIC TICKETS's seems to think that drug users cannot operate normally within society. There is absolutely no reason why some people who work at a minimum wage job cannot make your food, and deal. Assuming marijuana (my guess is that this is substance in question) was legalized, then the two employees would not be dealing drugs. A user would go to a dispensary and act in a safe and responsible manner without the fear of legal troubles.
My condolences go out to both families involved.
he did graduate and got a job and is doing very well!

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