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Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#1 Jan 14, 2013
From Cato Institute:

The Neocons' Fight Over Chuck Hagel

By Christopher Preble - January 14, 2013

By nominating Chuck Hagel to be the next secretary of defense, after an excruciatingly long period of uncertainty and speculation, President Obama has demonstrated that he is disinclined to follow the advice of the neoconservatives who have been his harshest critics. Bill Kristolís aggressive campaign to dissuade Obama from picking Hagel failed. Now the attention turns to a fight over his confirmation in the Senate. In the end, I believe he will be confirmed.

After all, such fights are rare. Presidents are generally granted wide latitude in picking members of their cabinet, and it is unlikely that many of the 55 Senators who caucus with the Democrats (including independents Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Angus King of Maine) will pick a fight with a just-re-elected Democratic president. Such a fight would erode Obamaís political capital, capital that he will need to push through hisóand theiródomestic agenda.

The remaining unknown, therefore, is whether the neoconservativesí grip over the Republican Party has finally been broken. Kristol and the neocons will argue that Hagel should not be confirmed. Will Republicans, aside from the predictable voices in the Senateís interventionist caucus, listen?

It is remarkable that the party continues to consult with the same people who championed the wars that have so tarnished the GOPís once stellar brand. But consider the case against Hagel on its merits. Hagel is not a pacifist, and certainly not the dove that his critics have claimed he is. He remains firmly within the foreign policy mainstream in Washington, and has supported past wars that I have opposed. But his general inclination, hardened after the debacle of Iraq, is to avoid foreign crusades, and to resist pressure to send U.S. troops into harmís way in pursuit of unclear objectives that do not advance U.S. interests. That is a mindset that the neoconservatives cannot abide.

But there are broader principles at play, including traditional deference to a presidentís wishes with respect to nominees, a deference that is warranted when the person only serves at the discretion of the president (unlike, for example, judges who serve for life). Even conservative commentators who have questions about some of Hagelís views, including George Will, have signaled that Hagel should be confirmed. Other respected foreign policy hands who came out in favor of Hagel before the nomination was announced include: Brent Scowcroft and Anthony Zinni (and nine other retired senior military officers), nine former ambassadors, including Nicholas Burns, Ryan Crocker Daniel Kurtzer, and Thomas Pickering. In a separate op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Crocker reaffirmed the groupís support for the Hagel nomination, praising Hagel ďas a person of integrity, courage and wisdom.Ē The neocons, therefore, by picking a fight over Hagel, have also taken on a distinguished roster of foreign policy experts. Republican senators wishing to put distance between the party and the neocons should be happy to confirm a nominee who shares their views on most issues, and who is supported by people who have not been so badly wrong, so often.

I donít believe that Barack Obama chose Chuck Hagel in order to humiliate the Republican Party. I donít think he intended to shine the light on the bitter divide between the neoconservatives and traditional foreign policy realists. I think he picked Hagel because he likes him, and trusts him. But I agree with an anonymous Obama administration official about what the Hagel fight could mean for the GOP (via BuzzFeed):ďIf the Republicans are going to look at Chuck Hagel, a decorated war hero and Republican who served two terms in the Senate, and vote no because he bucked the party line on Iraq, then they are so far in the wilderness that theyíll never get out.Ē
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#2 Jan 14, 2013
REPEAT:

The remaining unknown, therefore, is whether the neoconservativesí grip over the Republican Party has finally been broken. Kristol and the neocons will argue that Hagel should not be confirmed. Will Republicans, aside from the predictable voices in the Senateís interventionist caucus, listen?

It is remarkable that the party continues to consult with the same people who championed the wars that have so tarnished the GOPís once stellar brand.

Hagel is not a pacifist, and certainly not the dove that his critics have claimed he is. He remains firmly within the foreign policy mainstream in Washington, and has supported past wars that I have opposed. But his general inclination, hardened after the debacle of Iraq, is to avoid foreign crusades, and to resist pressure to send U.S. troops into harmís way in pursuit of unclear objectives that do not advance U.S. interests. That is a mindset that the neoconservatives cannot abide.

I think he (Barry) picked Hagel because he likes him, and trusts him. But I agree with an anonymous Obama administration official about what the Hagel fight could mean for the GOP (via BuzzFeed):ďIf the Republicans are going to look at Chuck Hagel, a decorated war hero and Republican who served two terms in the Senate, and vote no because he bucked the party line on Iraq, then they are so far in the wilderness that theyíll never get out.Ē

http://dyn.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/...
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#3 Jan 14, 2013
REPEAT ONE MORE TIME:

REPEAT:

It is remarkable that the party continues to consult with the same people (neocon Jews) who championed the wars that have so tarnished the GOPís once stellar brand.

Since: Oct 10

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#4 Jan 14, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
REPEAT ONE MORE TIME:
REPEAT:
It is remarkable that the party continues to consult with the same people (neocon Jews) who championed the wars that have so tarnished the GOPís once stellar brand.
You are aware that a majority of Jewish folks vote democrat I assume....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/jewi...

Please don't construe this as an endorsement of your insane antisemitism, but I thought I would point it out.

carry on then.....allah approves......
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#5 Jan 14, 2013
6was9 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are aware that a majority of Jewish folks vote democrat I assume....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/jewi...
Please don't construe this as an endorsement of your insane antisemitism, but I thought I would point it out.
carry on then.....allah approves......
When you can prove to me what I posted about -the Christians in Palestine; -Who gave us communism and socialism; and -Who gave us the sexual revolution is incorrect, you can call me anti-semetic.

But make no mistake Krystol, Wolfowitz, and a bunch of other neocon movers and shakers along with their Bible Banger puppets Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney are a big reason the word Republican leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

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#6 Jan 14, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
When you can prove to me what I posted about -the Christians in Palestine; -Who gave us communism and socialism; and -Who gave us the sexual revolution is incorrect, you can call me anti-semetic.
But make no mistake Krystol, Wolfowitz, and a bunch of other neocon movers and shakers along with their Bible Banger puppets Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney are a big reason the word Republican leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.
ROTFLMAO

I don't need to prove anything to you bobby boy.....
You made the comment about "tarnishing" the GOP brand, I made a point..
Outside of that point as I said, carry on with your rant....allah approves......
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#7 Jan 14, 2013
6was9 wrote:
<quoted text>

You made the comment about "tarnishing" the GOP brand, I made a point..
Outside of that point as I said, carry on with your rant....allah approves......
Cato and I are on the same page - true libertarians and true fiscal conservatives.

You and the rest of the idiots of the bible banger class feel free to spill your double digit IQ blood on behalf of the jews. Just don't use my tax dollars to fund your jihads.

You conservatards have no shame. You would have the likes of Wolfowitz, Krystol and Frum be your puppetmasters?

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#8 Jan 14, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Cato and I are on the same page - true libertarians and true fiscal conservatives.
You and the rest of the idiots of the bible banger class feel free to spill your double digit IQ blood on behalf of the jews. Just don't use my tax dollars to fund your jihads.
You conservatards have no shame. You would have the likes of Wolfowitz, Krystol and Frum be your puppetmasters?
What the fugue...can you read bobby boy........

Long ago I have said that I am an atheist........

Blow it out your ayse rag boy.........

Then get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness to your Jewish messiah.......
Ben

Cincinnati, OH

#9 Jan 14, 2013
6was9 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are aware that a majority of Jewish folks vote democrat I assume....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/jewi...
Please don't construe this as an endorsement of your insane antisemitism, but I thought I would point it out.
carry on then.....allah approves......
All jewish people are Diversity, victim cult people.

In fact, the state of Israel is BASED on the principles of Diversity, where a gigantic victim cult is the majority of voters by design.

The US has been re-made in the same image as Israel, where a gigantic victim cult majority of voters rules the nation.

Neoconservatives are jewish people that promote Diversity and Democracy as a national foreign policy.

Progressives promote Democracy and Diversity as a national domestic policy.

Because Diversity is also a gigantic crony system, crony capitalism is a normal feature of Diversity too.

Celebrate Diversity:

http://www.israelsituation.com/embracing-isra...

http://www.israelexperience.org.il/taglit//sa...

http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/20...

http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/5237FBC4-9...
Chuck

Cincinnati, OH

#10 Jan 14, 2013
Ben wrote:
<quoted text>
All jewish people are Diversity, victim cult people.
In fact, the state of Israel is BASED on the principles of Diversity, where a gigantic victim cult is the majority of voters by design.
The US has been re-made in the same image as Israel, where a gigantic victim cult majority of voters rules the nation.
Neoconservatives are jewish people that promote Diversity and Democracy as a national foreign policy.
Progressives promote Democracy and Diversity as a national domestic policy.
Because Diversity is also a gigantic crony system, crony capitalism is a normal feature of Diversity too.
Celebrate Diversity:
http://www.israelsituation.com/embracing-isra...
http://www.israelexperience.org.il/taglit//sa...
http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/20...
http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/5237FBC4-9...
The long-dead ancestor spirit of judaism, yahweh, frequently lectures the common folk that all:

gentile oppress jewish
men oppress women
white oppress black
straight oppress LGBTQ
healthy oppress disabled
gringo oppress hispanic
occidental oppress asian
settler oppress native

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#11 Jan 14, 2013
errrr.. who cares??????
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#12 Jan 14, 2013
Ben wrote:
<quoted text>
All jewish people are Diversity, victim cult people.
In fact, the state of Israel is BASED on the principles of Diversity, where a gigantic victim cult is the majority of voters by design.
The US has been re-made in the same image as Israel, where a gigantic victim cult majority of voters rules the nation.
Neoconservatives are jewish people that promote Diversity and Democracy as a national foreign policy.
Progressives promote Democracy and Diversity as a national domestic policy.
Because Diversity is also a gigantic crony system, crony capitalism is a normal feature of Diversity too.
Celebrate Diversity:
http://www.israelsituation.com/embracing-isra...
http://www.israelexperience.org.il/taglit//sa...
http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/20...
http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/5237FBC4-9...
Agree 100%, but the rest of our compatriots can't see it. They are the ones who demanded everybody become colorblind. To be fair, there are some good aspects to that, but for the most part they have turned white people into a bunch of braindead zombies who can't see the truth even when it's displayed right in front of them.

The Jews gave us the sexual revolution, porn, communism, socialism and the jihad against Christianity.

These lemmings can't see that (meaning: a significant percentage of them) they have been at war against us for the last 100 years.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#13 Jan 14, 2013
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
The long-dead ancestor spirit of judaism, yahweh, frequently lectures the common folk that all:
gentile oppress jewish
men oppress women
white oppress black
straight oppress LGBTQ
healthy oppress disabled
gringo oppress hispanic
occidental oppress asian
settler oppress native
I'm glad someone else can see the truth.

"Colorblindness" is there invention and primarily serves their interests.

If what I know became widely known, people would be livid. It's because "colorblindness" is enforced with zealotry that these kinds of conversations can only happen in the home.

It's time people knew the truth.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#14 Jan 14, 2013
I should issue my normal disclaimer that I am not calling for anybody to be genocided. I am calling, however, for an honest discussion of cause and effect.

The ACLU is Jewish, primarily funded by rich Jews. They have been at war with us for the last 75 years.

That is the irrefutable truth.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#18 Jan 14, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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David Frum isn't a conservative, he was fired from National Review and blames the problems of the GOP on what you denigrate as "bible bangers"
Libertarians don't shed blood for squatters. Libertarians don't want to waste money playing masters of the universe. Libertarians don't give two shits about abortion or the bible.

I am right in that camp.

You are the one like Kosmik. Kosmik tries to project his leftist definitions on libertarians, you buffoons on the right want to coopt it (and the Tea Party) and make it about abortion.

Did you see how your clownshow of presidential candidates started trying to force their way into the Tea Party and try to make it about abortion?

NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ANYMORE.

Libertarians are about economics, not abortions and certainly not spending trillions of dollars defending squatters.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#19 Jan 14, 2013
Among outside political watchers, some consider Libertarians to be conservative (primarily because of their support of the right to bear arms and because of their view on taxes and states rights); while others consider them liberal because of their advocacy of a non-interventionist foreign policy, the repeal of Drug Prohibition, and the elimination of laws that interfere with private consensual acts (such as prostitution and gambling).

Within the framework of libertarian politics, the Libertarian Party's platform falls roughly in the realm of free market minarchism. The party advocates limiting the government as much as possible, within the confines of the United States Constitution. As in any political party, there is some internal debate about the platform, and not all the party's supporters advocate its complete or immediate implementation, but most think that the USA would benefit from most of the Libertarian Party's proposed changes. However, under a policy known as the Dallas Accord, the national Libertarian Party does not favor any particular approach, leaving individual candidates and other advocates of Libertarian solutions free to determine how that message will be presented.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#20 Jan 14, 2013
I score 80% libertarian, toadie!

==========

The RED DOT on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

Libertarians support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

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#21 Jan 14, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Libertarians don't shed blood for squatters. Libertarians don't want to waste money playing masters of the universe. Libertarians don't give two shits about abortion or the bible.
I am right in that camp.
You are the one like Kosmik. Kosmik tries to project his leftist definitions on libertarians, you buffoons on the right want to coopt it (and the Tea Party) and make it about abortion.
Did you see how your clownshow of presidential candidates started trying to force their way into the Tea Party and try to make it about abortion?
NOBODY GIVES A DAMN ANYMORE.
Libertarians are about economics, not abortions and certainly not spending trillions of dollars defending squatters.
ROTFLMFAO ...

What would your Jewish messiah say bobby boy?

Get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness for your sins......

You've been a bad boy and sister says you need to make amends......

Laughing my fuquein ayse off.........
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#24 Jan 14, 2013
6was9 wrote:
<quoted text>
ROTFLMFAO ...
What would your Jewish messiah say bobby boy?
You mean the one from your FAKE King James' Version Bible?

The official "word" of the same Anglican Church that gave us women priests and gay bishops?

The "word" that doesn't include all the books of worship used by other churches that came before it?

The "word" written 1600 years after the fact?

LMAO!

Go spill your blood for squatters toad. Leave me and my wallet alone.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#25 Jan 14, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
If no one gives a damn, then it isn't really worth saving the country anymore.
Says who? You and Michelle Bachmann the nutcase who runs through staff like toilet paper and who wanted to turn the Tea Party into her abortion soap box?

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