Online schools add teachers, students...

Online schools add teachers, students | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 91 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jul 10, 2011, titled Online schools add teachers, students | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

The state's largest online charter school will hire 100 new employees - 75 of them teachers - as enrollment surges there.

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Tomorrow

Naperville, IL

#1 Jul 10, 2011
Ohio Connections Academy is the ONLY E-School rated "Excellent" by the Department of Education, a distinction earned by only a handful of schools in all of Ohio. They have graduates accepted to many of the Ivy League Colleges, as well as in state schools including OSU. Quite an achievement for a community school.
Anon

Columbus, OH

#2 Jul 10, 2011
Not surprising given the myriad problems in the public schools...and the remediation rates.
P-burg

Iuka, MS

#3 Jul 11, 2011
Tomorrow wrote:
Ohio Connections Academy is the ONLY E-School rated "Excellent" by the Department of Education, a distinction earned by only a handful of schools in all of Ohio. They have graduates accepted to many of the Ivy League Colleges, as well as in state schools including OSU. Quite an achievement for a community school.
Please clarify "handful." Is that referring to public schools or charter schools. Also, how do you know the colleges students are attending? Is there a web site with any data for this. To future comments...please stop grouping all public schools together. Yes, some struggle, but many are excellent or excellent with distinction.
Y-City Jim

Zanesville, OH

#4 Jul 11, 2011
Standardized testing score indicate very little and are destroying education:

http://fora.tv/2011/06/29/Kopp_and_Ravitch_Wh...
Y-City Jim

Zanesville, OH

#5 Jul 11, 2011
Using standardized testing in the wrong ways is keeping American education from the kind of reform it needs to make our students into cutting edge thinkers:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.c...
trying

Saint Marys, OH

#6 Jul 11, 2011
I would be interested in knowing what percentage of e-school students graduate. It sounds as if Ohio Connections may be an exception, but the students I know who have chosen to go the e-school route are usually lazy ones who think it will be easier than traditional schools. They certainly aren't looking for a better education, just one they thing will be easier. I don't know of anyone who has graduated from one.
Big Government

Panama City, FL

#7 Jul 11, 2011
Sign me up for the physical education class. I don't want to break a sweat.
Old Timer

AOL

#8 Jul 11, 2011
If online education is the panacea for education today, then technology must be the basis for all intellectual endeavor, as well as physical. There is no need for brick and mortar schools, so therefore, there is no need for public libraries, courthouses, hospitals, or business centers. Everything is virtual.

When we call online or charter schools an alternative, they are actually an escape route from reality for most. School today is tough work as a student given the requirements of advanced curriculum. If you believe genetics play a role in learning, most of our ancestors were kicked out of their countries because they were poor, uneducable, or religious fanatics. In America, those who exhibit the worst of these traits find themselves in the House of Representatives.

Back on topic...the kids I know who participate in these schools need the alternative because they don't possess the necessary social skills to survive, and end up being bullied. Some are bullies themselves, who are kept away from regular students.Some are credit deficient, who never placed any value on education, and given the passage rates on state testing, still don't. But some, due to health issues, or trauma in their lives do benefit from this type of schooling, though they are in the minority.
How are their test scores

Columbus, OH

#9 Jul 11, 2011
On-line school enrollment may be increasing, but how do their test scores and graduation rates compare to Gahanna, Reynoldsburg, Worthington, Dublin and Westerville?

Personally, I'm glad when students leave to join these schools - it means a better student to teacher ratio in the schools they leave.
Honors

Columbus, OH

#10 Jul 11, 2011
My relative went to ECOT and graduated with honors after moving to Columbus from out-of-state in the middle of a school year. She then went on to college and graduated with honors. Also passed the state graduation boards in the 10th grade while attending ECOT. No drugs, bullying or peer pressure. She did what ECOT expected of her and succeeded at it. Her other alternative was to attend an inner city school where someone was shot on the playground where the children riding the school buses saw it. Thank God there was an alternative school where she could go!!!!!
Anon

Columbus, OH

#11 Jul 11, 2011
P-burg wrote:
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Please clarify "handful." Is that referring to public schools or charter schools. Also, how do you know the colleges students are attending? Is there a web site with any data for this. To future comments...please stop grouping all public schools together. Yes, some struggle, but many are excellent or excellent with distinction.
Here's a fact and a for instance: SWCS is rated Excellent yet it hit only 13 of the 26 metrics on the state's report card. Inside the school that would be average at best and be a C. Outside of the school it clearly means something else.

So when you toss around words like Excellent and Excellent with Distinction, MOST of us understand that that's just a propoganda tool and not the real picture. But we can suppose that the rating is applied to both brick and mortars and eschools evenly. Therefore, this particular eschool isn't actually any better than SWCS where only 36% of the kids even attempt college and a whopping 50% of them need remediated.

That's the thing about the union mentality. It freely redefines common concepts, like all day kindergarten which would require more duespaying members, and smaller classroom size which also requires more personnel as beneficial to both kids and taxpayers. In reality, it helps ONLY the LABOR union because it takes competition out of the classroom and turns it into a snorefest.
Ohioan

Grove City, OH

#12 Jul 11, 2011
What does an ecot teacher earn?
Anon

Columbus, OH

#13 Jul 11, 2011
Old Timer wrote:
If online education is the panacea for education today, then technology must be the basis for all intellectual endeavor, as well as physical. There is no need for brick and mortar schools, so therefore, there is no need for public libraries, courthouses, hospitals, or business centers. Everything is virtual.
When we call online or charter schools an alternative, they are actually an escape route from reality for most. School today is tough work as a student given the requirements of advanced curriculum. If you believe genetics play a role in learning, most of our ancestors were kicked out of their countries because they were poor, uneducable, or religious fanatics. In America, those who exhibit the worst of these traits find themselves in the House of Representatives.
Back on topic...the kids I know who participate in these schools need the alternative because they don't possess the necessary social skills to survive, and end up being bullied. Some are bullies themselves, who are kept away from regular students.Some are credit deficient, who never placed any value on education, and given the passage rates on state testing, still don't. But some, due to health issues, or trauma in their lives do benefit from this type of schooling, though they are in the minority.
Clearly, you're not a philosopher nor do you possess much in the way of computer skills. How are the debates in this forum any different than one held in class, if that even happens any longer?

Where is you 'evidence' that most kids who attend these schools are losers, or does that simply fit your arguement? And also, which system TODAY as opposed to 30 years ago when you were so successful, is offering anything beyond the state minimum standards with just a few AP courses sprinkled in to make it look good?
teacher of 26 years

Clyde, OH

#14 Jul 11, 2011
I have students that have returned from Ecot with terrible credit deficiencies back at the high school. These students return in the middle of the school year, so ECOT has already been paid by the state of Ohio for the student for the year. We work very hard on credit recovery to catch them, prepare for OGT tests, resocialize with peers. Many of these students are always potential drop candidates. Very few of them stay in school. It was hard to say why they went to ECOT in the first place, but when there return to us they are never in good shape at either the middle school or high school levels.
I have only seen 2-3 in the past 7-8 years graduate from ECOT, and do I understand that many of these are at risk students in the first place. Online schooling is very difficult.
I wonder how many people have gone through a module.
I have worked through the ALgebra II, health and the Senior Government modules with a student who needed to graduate. You need to be able to read, comprehend, take notes and pace yourself. How many students can teach themselves Algebra II?
Algebra II is now required to graduate in Ohio. You must be a highly motivated student to complete all your courses in ECOT or any virtual school.

This is not an easy alternative.
Reasonable

Columbus, OH

#15 Jul 11, 2011
I just checked ECOT's state report card...they are in school improvement year 8..meaning they have never met all the state indicators!
Lolita Shih Tzu

Columbus, OH

#16 Jul 11, 2011
Unfortunatelly, with a growing population raised in a virtual reality, this is the trend: virtual education.
I cannot see how the on-line education could replace what's happens in a classroom.

Welcome to this new anti-social, isolated and distant world.

Can we do our work from home too?
Jim Flack

Zanesville, OH

#17 Jul 11, 2011
As a retired educator, I see the benefits of online education and am glad to see this trend.
what a waste

Grove City, OH

#18 Jul 11, 2011
The test scores are PATHETIC and the graduation rate is a whopping 35%. What a waste of tax payers dollars so children can get a free computer and be lazy.
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/20...
trying wrote:
I would be interested in knowing what percentage of e-school students graduate. It sounds as if Ohio Connections may be an exception, but the students I know who have chosen to go the e-school route are usually lazy ones who think it will be easier than traditional schools. They certainly aren't looking for a better education, just one they thing will be easier. I don't know of anyone who has graduated from one.
teacher

Lewis Center, OH

#19 Jul 11, 2011
That is funny, because we at on-line charter schools, get the same thing from the brick and mortar schools! The students that come to us from the brick and mortar are terribly credit deficient, and most often, scarred by the horrifying experiences they have endured at the hands of brick and mortar teachers and administrators. On-line charter schools operate at the same standards as the brick and mortar, and we work with ALL students. We take the ones who brick and mortar "threw away" and discounted as not worthy of a public education. On-line charters serve a purpose: they serve the children of Ohio who demand a choice in their education.
teacher of 26 years wrote:
I have students that have returned from Ecot with terrible credit deficiencies back at the high school. These students return in the middle of the school year, so ECOT has already been paid by the state of Ohio for the student for the year. We work very hard on credit recovery to catch them, prepare for OGT tests, resocialize with peers. Many of these students are always potential drop candidates. Very few of them stay in school. It was hard to say why they went to ECOT in the first place, but when there return to us they are never in good shape at either the middle school or high school levels.
I have only seen 2-3 in the past 7-8 years graduate from ECOT, and do I understand that many of these are at risk students in the first place. Online schooling is very difficult.
I wonder how many people have gone through a module.
I have worked through the ALgebra II, health and the Senior Government modules with a student who needed to graduate. You need to be able to read, comprehend, take notes and pace yourself. How many students can teach themselves Algebra II?
Algebra II is now required to graduate in Ohio. You must be a highly motivated student to complete all your courses in ECOT or any virtual school.
This is not an easy alternative.
Mom

Pickerington, OH

#20 Jul 11, 2011
trying wrote:
I would be interested in knowing what percentage of e-school students graduate. It sounds as if Ohio Connections may be an exception, but the students I know who have chosen to go the e-school route are usually lazy ones who think it will be easier than traditional schools. They certainly aren't looking for a better education, just one they thing will be easier. I don't know of anyone who has graduated from one.
You need to do more research. Students may be looking to escape bullying, drugs, molester teachers from their lovely public school. May want more rigorous curriculum than what they are currently able to get from public school. Families may want to supplement homeschooling and instill religious values (gasp!) in their kids.

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