WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#988 Jan 3, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
above is written by an IQ of 25.
all you sheep hear him scream his nonsense.
above is about as far from fact as any post could ever be.
prove any of it nonsense! When the L.A. riots happened, did you read or see any suburbs or rural counties there burning? Did West Hollywood, or Beverly Hills catch any hell from gangsters or criminals during that time, No, because bathe cops protect the upper class at all cost.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#989 Jan 3, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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To use this data effectively to make a point, you need to collect a bit more.
Showing 5 companies using union labor doesn't really make a point. Asking [and answering for your readers] basic questions like...
At what rate have union jobs been lost in the past X years?
How does this compare to non union jobs in the same market in the past X years?
At what rate have companies using union labor closed operations or ceased trading in the window of X years?
At what rate have companies not using union labor closed operations of ceased trading in the same window?
Would render the currently useless anecdotal information you've offered very, very relevant.
If I say Mary, Sue and Tomoki are all failing math and they're all women with dark hair, this alone wouldn't have you assume that there is a link between the two variables, without other data, would it?
hey genius....it does not matter

the jobs moved

what was useless.....your input.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#990 Jan 3, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> prove any of it nonsense! When the L.A. riots happened, did you read or see any suburbs or rural counties there burning? Did West Hollywood, or Beverly Hills catch any hell from gangsters or criminals during that time, No, because bathe cops protect the upper class at all cost.
who pays the bill genius?

would it not be intelligent to take care of the hand that feeds you?
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#991 Jan 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Way back, my grandfather worked for an oil company as a driver. He was a young man. Some union came in and made a bid to 'organize' the employees. They'd have goons outside the yard every morning. My grandfather was leaving the yard in his truck and a brick was thrown through the window and hit him in the shoulder. He never went back. He took his family to New England and started training race horses. He did very well and so did two of his sons, his grand-nephew, my brother and two of his sons. In my job, I work with thoroughbreds and I live on what was Dad's horse farm.
I will never forget that story of the brick. What if it had hit him in he head?
Blacks have experianced far worse treatment from bigoted union members who blocked them from unemployment back then.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#992 Jan 3, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
hey genius....it does not matter
the jobs moved
what was useless.....your input.
Let's try to talk this through with a somewhat more basic example.

If I were to point out that Hostess, Timken, Goodyear, Firestone and BF Goodrich were all led by male CEOs, would it be reasonable for me to try and make a point that male CEOs are bad for business, absent any other data?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#993 Jan 3, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> Blacks have experianced far worse treatment from bigoted union members who blocked them from unemployment back then.
use paint then

tired of your worn out excuses

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#994 Jan 3, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
everyone wants to be like you....broke, gay, living in Mom's basement., school dropout, and unable to provide for themselves.
Speak for yourself, RS.

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#995 Jan 3, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Try thinking about workplace discrimination vs religious freedom.
BTW--I see that Hobby Lobby wants to be treated as a religious organization--for health care purposes.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#996 Jan 3, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's try to talk this through with a somewhat more basic example.
If I were to point out that Hostess, Timken, Goodyear, Firestone and BF Goodrich were all led by male CEOs, would it be reasonable for me to try and make a point that male CEOs are bad for business, absent any other data?
you are attempting to make a flawed stupid point.

all 5 of the corporations left Ohio due to Union troubles.

It has been extremely well documented; and now northern Ohio is vacant of thousands of good jobs.

keep denying fact........more job losses to follow your dream.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#997 Jan 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Speak for yourself, RS.
in jest honey.

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#998 Jan 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Is is a flat fine or per employee fine, Tone? They can cut their employees back to under 50 or cut the hours per employee to under 28 per week to avoid any employer provided health insurance, but that will cost the individual a fortune and many of them will chose to pay the fine.
Quality of care is going to drop as doctors leave medicine or just refuse to accept medicare and Obamacare.
Or they can restructure the company into several smaller ones, each with only 49 employees and skirt it. What a friggin nightmare this is going to be. Stay well.
I suppose it would be asking too much for American business to contribute to the health care expenses of their employees, given our preference for workplace based health insurance.

I mean, ya know, do the right thing.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#999 Jan 3, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> prove any of it nonsense! When the L.A. riots happened, did you read or see any suburbs or rural counties there burning? Did West Hollywood, or Beverly Hills catch any hell from gangsters or criminals during that time, No, because bathe cops protect the upper class at all cost.
speaking of my neighborhood ........not one person would burn down their own or neighbors house in a riot.

or because the local basketball team won.

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#1000 Jan 3, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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I know. My dad was almost killed trying to cross a picket line. All he wanted to do was work and support his family. I have DESPISED unions ever since. If YOU want to join one, that's your right, but you shouldn't be able to FORCE someone that doesn't want to to join.
Crossing a picket line is roughly equivalent to taking advantage of a contract dispute to steal somebody else's job.

And companies who hire scabs count on the hunger of someone to spur them to do in their fellow workers.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#1001 Jan 3, 2013
Goodyear and Timken are still here.

Hostess ... the unions got them.

Firestone and BF Goodrich ... gut reactions here only ... bought out by Bridgestone and Continental ... another Wall Street robber baron move.

As I said before, in no other country in the world do they give so much power to Wall Street types to uproot people's lives. In Germany or Japan the way the ownership is structured, there is no way a robber baron could do what they do in this country. And there is no way the Germans would ever allow Mercedes to go bankrupt.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#1002 Jan 3, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> Blacks have experianced far worse treatment from bigoted union members who blocked them from unemployment back then.
Though they definitely work at the correct pace to be in a union ...

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#1003 Jan 3, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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you are attempting to make a flawed stupid point.
all 5 of the corporations left Ohio due to Union troubles.
It has been extremely well documented; and now northern Ohio is vacant of thousands of good jobs.
keep denying fact........more job losses to follow your dream.
I'm very patiently trying to show you how to make points effectively.

Saying simply that 5 union companies have closed doesn't alone make the correlation between union labor and company fitness.

Here, I love this example. Here is a chart of autism diagnoses and the sale of organic foods. http://boingboing.net/2013/01/01/correlation-... Clearly, these factors are unrelated. Only a moron would try and link them, lacking outside meaningful data supporting a claim. Just because a relationship exists within a sample, doesn't mean that there is correlation.

This is especially true in cases where the example has been cherry picked!

If I took you to the pound and showed you 5 orange cats that bite, could you be expected to think that the cats bite because they are orange, or that only orange cats bite without looking at the other orange cats and potentially bitey cats of other colors?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#1004 Jan 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose it would be asking too much for American business to contribute to the health care expenses of their employees, given our preference for workplace based health insurance.
I mean, ya know, do the right thing.
it is not the place of business to be a provider for anyone except owners of the business.

others are paid for service rendered.

why is this so difficult to understand?

some businesses prefer to compensate employees to limit turnover because training is very expensive.

above is 100% fact.

Now if the situation you are in at the workplace seems unfair to you..........

then get busy fixing the situation by getting another job while employed, or starting your own gig.

quite simple.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#1005 Jan 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Crossing a picket line is roughly equivalent to taking advantage of a contract dispute to steal somebody else's job.
And companies who hire scabs count on the hunger of someone to spur them to do in their fellow workers.
it is called ambition; and employers love to hire ambitious people.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#1006 Jan 3, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm very patiently trying to show you how to make points effectively.
Saying simply that 5 union companies have closed doesn't alone make the correlation between union labor and company fitness.
Here, I love this example. Here is a chart of autism diagnoses and the sale of organic foods. http://boingboing.net/2013/01/01/correlation-... Clearly, these factors are unrelated. Only a moron would try and link them, lacking outside meaningful data supporting a claim. Just because a relationship exists within a sample, doesn't mean that there is correlation.
This is especially true in cases where the example has been cherry picked!
If I took you to the pound and showed you 5 orange cats that bite, could you be expected to think that the cats bite because they are orange, or that only orange cats bite without looking at the other orange cats and potentially bitey cats of other colors?
you dizzy?

years of talks between owners and unions produced owners moving the business.

years

should minimum wage be raised to $86.50 an hour?

your analogies work only in fiction.

Reality is that the owners of the companies gave the union the finger; and Stark and Summit counties in Ohio now have far lees opportunity for the citizens to earn a living.

keep spinning....maybe you will hit oil or water.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#1007 Jan 3, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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should minimum wage be raised to $86.50 an hour?
And the Wendy's combo that was $3 a few years ago, now $6 would be $86 and the libs would still be whining about how someone still owes them a living.

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