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Do Democrats Destroy Cities?

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“Zuzu's Petals”

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Portion of article

Do Democrats Destroy Cities? Independent Journal

Jul 2012

Here’s a little nugget you can chew for a bit. The following list is the top ten cities (over 250,000 population) with the highest poverty rate. The year and the percentage of the population at or under the government-defined poverty level are included.

Can you guess what all of these cities have in common? They all have had Democratic mayors for at least the last two decades (note most of the cities have had Democratic mayors for more than 50 years).

So, can we conclude that Democrats and their policies have lead to the cesspool cities we see here on the list? Not definitively. The correlation, however, is striking.

It’s no secret that a major component to democratic policies is to enlarge the number of citizens that rely on government handouts. This is accomplished by depressing the economy, creating new entitlement programs or by changing qualifying requirements for entitlements already in place. Regardless of the approach and the “save society” rhetoric, it always boils down to taxing productive members of society and then redistributing that money to the less productive or to the outright unproductive.

Those that receive something for nothing, in theory, get used to their situation. They want it, or better yet for the politicians, they need it to continue and will then re-elect the re-distributors. There’s no saving society. How can there be if you’re intentionally depressing the economy to create more dependency? That is a sales pitch. And there’s no genuine attempt at improvement for the individual and his or her situation. Again, how can there be when you re-define or create new programs that allow for or actually promote levels of unproductive behavior? It is money shuffling and nothing more. You and I know it as buying votes. This is all well and good for the politicians but over the longer term, buying votes creates significant problems for society.

The most obvious is, what happens when there are more people living off the government teat than are producing the milk? America is heading for that situation faster than any Liberal or Democrat will admit. The productive know however, and perhaps that is why the partisan rhetoric has been so shrill. But there is a second problem with vote buying that gets very little lip service and it is what leads to large percentages of poverty in our cities. It is known as the Curley Effect.

Named after James Curley, a highly successful yet notoriously corrupt mayor of Boston, the Curley Effect describes the conditions wherein taxes or other government policies are targeted to the detriment of particular populations to the point where they head for the hills. In Curley’s case, as a Democrat he excessively taxed well to do yankee “Brahmins”. Curley not only bought Irish votes with the cash but chased the wealthy yankees out of the city. Raise taxes again and again and again and eventually those that can escape will do just that, leaving behind the poor and those reliant on entitlements. Less wealthy people in the city to tax also means less money for upkeep. Add these together and you get city cesspools with large populations of poor.

Although Baltimore, MD, is not on our list, it is another real world example of the Curley Effect running out of control. Steve Hanke and Stephen Walters write,

The city has lost 30,000 residents and 53,000 jobs since 2000, marking the sixth consecutive decade of population and employment exodus. About 47,000 abandoned houses crumble while residents suffer a homicide rate higher than any large city except Detroit. The poverty rate is 50% above the national average…

“Zuzu's Petals”

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Dec 26, 2013
 
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In modern Baltimore, the (political) machine has exploited class divisions, not ethnic ones. Officials raised property taxes 21 times between 1950 and 1985, channeling the proceeds to favored voting blocs and causing many homeowners and entrepreneurs—disproportionate ly Republicans—to flee. It was brilliant politics, as Democrats now enjoy an eight-to-one voter registration advantage and no Republican has been elected mayor in 48 years.

But Baltimore’s high property taxes have repelled investment in physical capital for decades. As that capital decayed and became scarce, labor became less productive and less prosperous. In 1950, the city’s median family income was 7% above the national average. Today it is 22% below it.”

The practice of buying votes through taxation and entitlements, rather than sound government policy, is ultimately flawed. This is not to imply that all Democratic politicians intentionally try to run a city, a state or society into the ground. Clearly, for love of power, some do...

This article was written by I.M. Citizen. Check out his blog at www.imcitizen.net .

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Dec 26, 2013
 
I think the issue here might be that large cities tend to be overwhelmingly democrat led, due to the nature of urban and metro voters.

Taking a look at the wealthiest cities in the US and those with the lowest rates of poverty on this scale, and we see the same trend. I'm not sure I would point to them being overwhelmingly Democrat led as being due to their choice of leadership, though that's just me and me love of nuances in the data.

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Dec 26, 2013
 
Though, looking at the 2012 Census data, with the political affiliation of the mayorship listed. I'm seeing:

Detroit, Michigan 42.3% D
Cleveland, Ohio 36.1% D
Cincinnati, Ohio 34.1%D
Miami, Florida 31.7% R
Fresno, California 31.5% R
Buffalo, New York 30.9% D
Newark, New Jersey 30.4% D
Toledo, Ohio 30.1% I
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 29.9% D
St. Louis, Missouri 29.2% D

Listed as the cities of scale with the highest rate of poverty. While, as would be expected from the higher rate of democratic leadership in urban and metro areas, this list does trend D, it does show very clearly why you always want to check to see if data has been cherry picked in articles that seem to have a clear bias!

Do you have a link to the original article? Would love to see what data set they used to get their results.

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Dec 26, 2013
 
Heh, they pull their data from 2009. Which makes sense, as that's the last year Miami had a democratic mayor.

I'm not really sure why it's being run as late as 2012, when the 2012 data is as I've reported above. I hope it's just lazy editors, not folks trying to intentionally twist data to make a political point...?
dunadd

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Dec 26, 2013
 
Yeah, all the kin I had in the Baltimore area moved to such dumb places as Wytheville, Chilhowie, and Rural Retreat, Virginia in the Virginia highlands, no, not all are retired. some are working in those places. granddaughter of mine lives in Hillsville, Virginia and works in Galax. You know, them depressed hillbilly places, they actually are working.
All my kin in Virginia and West Virginia not retired are working. How can that be. those areas are depressed. NO, places like Detroit are the depressed areas.
Whole lot more depression in Baltimore than West Virginia.

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Dec 26, 2013
 
dunadd wrote:
Yeah, all the kin I had in the Baltimore area moved to such dumb places as Wytheville, Chilhowie, and Rural Retreat, Virginia in the Virginia highlands, no, not all are retired. some are working in those places. granddaughter of mine lives in Hillsville, Virginia and works in Galax. You know, them depressed hillbilly places, they actually are working.
All my kin in Virginia and West Virginia not retired are working. How can that be. those areas are depressed. NO, places like Detroit are the depressed areas.
Whole lot more depression in Baltimore than West Virginia.
WV is still run by the Democrats. Most are fairly conservative, but when they go to DC they vote socialist like Joe Manchin.
Oliver Canterberry

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"White flight" destroys cities (and nations). Whites move to the suburbs taking with them initiative and intelligence leaving Black in charge to do what they always do, be it in Haiti or Harlem.

Blacks live in the moment like children or are bitter about the long ago past during antebellum slavery.

Sad.

However IF White stays the nation will flourish, example South Africa where Whites are less than 10% but the nation is in great shape (by African standards).
Oliver Canterberry

Columbus, OH

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White flight leads to urban blight (larger ghettos, more dependency on big government). Blacks were better off to remain in the Deep South with family values rather than move to big cities where the nuclear family has completely disappeared in the majority Negro ghetto (Linden, Harlem, South Central Los Angeles, Chicago).
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State democrats are definitely different than national democrats. Once they escape into the Beltway Conservatory, they are never the same even if they retire before they die.
The greater number of true democrat are those on the county level and most stay true to form at the state level.
Duke for Mayor

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I'm confused although maybe they do, kinda looks like the evidence is substantial.

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Duke for Mayor

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
I'm confused although maybe they do, kinda looks like the evidence is substantial.
woof
You are confused alright. You cannot even figure out who you are.

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Duke for Mayor

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You are confused alright. You cannot even figure out who you are.
woof
Now I'm confused.

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Dec 27, 2013
 
I don't think it's Democrats, I believe it to be liberal policies that eliminate the rational thought of their actions. It is one thing to want things to be better but many times the actions of the libs have the opposite effect of their intent.

A great example is Oblamocare. Requiring everyone to have health insurance is a good idea. However, the requirements of the law have discourage hiring of full time workers and business expansion.
Duke for Mayor

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Now I'm confused.
woof
I already told you that. You're also not very creative.

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dunadd

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The discouraging of hiring full timers should be a boon to the temp services.
Business expansion is not hurting in my area. Matter of fact it's occurring.
Thinking of it from the business side, it would be less business expense for a company to hire 80 part timers than 40 full timers.
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Do Democrats destroy cities!
Is there a cow in Texas!
Yes, Yes, a resounding YES to both statements/questions.
Duke for Mayor

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dunadd wrote:
Do Democrats destroy cities!
Is there a cow in Texas!
Yes, Yes, a resounding YES to both statements/questions.
Agree, the evidence is overwhelming.

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substituting one word for another, we'd say in the military, Democrats would mess up a wet dream!
Can you surmise which word I changed?
Duke for Mayor

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Agree, the evidence is overwhelming.
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Disagree.

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