FLDS buys Colorado property

May 15, 2008 | Posted by: lois sprague | Full story: www.scrippsnews.com

Members of a polygamous sect have been quietly buying up property in Colorado's Custer and Fremont counties and settling in, according to the Custer County sheriff.

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Westcliffe resident

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Thank you for your posts, I agree with you, Duane.
They are polygamists. Polygamy is against the law last time I checked!!! Seems like everyone forgets the reason they are being investigated. If you break the law you should be prosecuted like everyone else that breaks the law.
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<quoted text> They are polygamists. Polygamy is against the law last time I checked!!! Seems like everyone forgets the reason they are being investigated. If you break the law you should be prosecuted like everyone else that breaks the law.
Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't you sell your property to the lawbreakers and move? Get out while the gettin's good.We wouldn't want to see your property values go down.
Ava Mae Lewis

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your all a bunch of haters, who get no sex or freak perverts out screwing their farm animals. get a fffnnn life.
Um..... Did you do any research on the FLDS before you posted?

100 years of breaking our laws. Forcing pubescent girls to marry old men, forcing young men out into the desert without jobs, shelter, money, to starve to death if they can.

Women forced to use Ovulation kits to know when the most likely time for conception is, so they won't eat too much, or have too much shelter without producing a kid for their entry into heaven.

Warren Jeffs reassigned more than 250 families, that's 250 sets of children ripped out of their homes in the dark of night, waking up in Texas with new last names... Reassigned wives just grab their panties and go... they don't dare question. Husbands are excommunicated so their wives and kids can help one of the Prophet's favorites get into heaven.

A huge pedophiliac crime ring... fostered by LDS and others who p and moan about civil rights and the children when the FLDS don't even know what either of those terms mean.
Ava Mae Lewis

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<quoted text> They moved here to Westcliffe. Won't be long before my property value will go down.
You are prolly right... they built huge homes, 14 and 15 bedrooms and baths so all their sister wives can live together. They also put strain on whatever water supply their is, getting their own elected to all the local government posts so they don't have to worry about violating any laws, they occupy the space, and the tax rolls, but they home school their own kids and refuse to support public services. When families get reassigned, since the church owns the properties, they have to abandon them, and they sit for years unoccupied.

Yes... might want to be looking elsewhere.
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You are prolly right... they built huge homes, 14 and 15 bedrooms and baths so all their sister wives can live together. They also put strain on whatever water supply their is, getting their own elected to all the local government posts so they don't have to worry about violating any laws, they occupy the space, and the tax rolls, but they home school their own kids and refuse to support public services. When families get reassigned, since the church owns the properties, they have to abandon them, and they sit for years unoccupied.
Yes... might want to be looking elsewhere.
If they pay property taxes, then they support public services.If you are a property owner, then you yourself are very aware of that fact.If they did not pay property taxes which support public services, they would not have abandoned property to sit on for years, it would be auctioned off to pay the unpaid taxes.You say they occupy the tax rolls, so how are they refusing to support public services by paying their property taxes?
If anything, them homeschooling their children is a relief on the system, not a burden. Property taxes pay for public schools to operate, among other public things, police, fire, library, street lights and maintenance, etc.As property owners of these huge properties, which by the way, generate a huge amount of property taxes each year for the counties they are located in, these people are paying a lot more into the public services pot than the average person.By homeschooling, they are not taking any of the public school funds they are entitled to(in the form of attending the public schools) just like everybody else, but which they contribute to every year. There are a whole lot of people who do not own property, thus they do not contribute to public services, including public schools, and who take advantage of those benefits which are paid for by the property owners.

Homeschooling is legal in every state.Regulations vary state by state.

If they buy gasoline or diesel fuel for their vehicles, then they are supporting the public services, such as road maintenance:

http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/index.php/news...

They are also entitled to run for public office just like anybody else.You just don't like the fact that there are so many of them, so they just might win.

Yes, you might want to be looking elsewhere if these facts bother you so much.
Ava Mae Lewis

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If they pay property taxes,.
Oh - and no dogs allowed... Warren Jeffs had his enforcers kill them all, no one allowed a dog for a pet, not inside, not outside...

I read where some group wants to buy one of the larger abandoned homes in one of the twin cities and make it a home for the lost boys... the Federation is sitting on several vacant properties,
did not hear if the sale was approved..

What a Hoot that would be!

Imagine banishing a son and having to have him live next door!
Ava Mae Lewis

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If they pay property taxes, then they support public services..
Well....here you go... can't imagine people posting here like they keep up with the news and don't.

Fred Jessop and Taxes
Bruce Wisan, overseer of the United Effort Plan Trust, is having trouble collecting taxes again.

It has been a perennial problem in Short Creek, the old and still well-used name for the twin towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz. Most residents are FLDS members.

Jessop was the long-time bishop of the community. He was much loved and had his hand in everything, from the zoo to the health clinic.

Jessop talked about tax collections in a deposition he gave in 1989 as part of a lawsuit filed by residents who had been kicked out of their homes on trust land. The deposition is included in Elissa Wall's civil lawsuit against the UEP, in which she is seeking damages for her 2001 marriage at age 14.

Here is Jessop explaining tax collections:

Attorney Jeff Swinton: How often does Truman Barlow give you money for the payment of taxes?

Fred Jessop: Three times a year.

Swinton: You tell him how much you need?

Jessop: Yes.

Swinton: And he gives you that much?

Jessop: He gives me what he has. I don't recall that it has ever been enough.

Swinton: Where have you gotten the rest of the money if it hasn't been enough?

Jessop: From church funds.

http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/archives/2...
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Well....here you go... can't imagine people posting here like they keep up with the news and don't.
Fred Jessop and Taxes
Bruce Wisan, overseer of the United Effort Plan Trust, is having trouble collecting taxes again.
It has been a perennial problem in Short Creek, the old and still well-used name for the twin towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz. Most residents are FLDS members.
Jessop was the long-time bishop of the community. He was much loved and had his hand in everything, from the zoo to the health clinic.
Jessop talked about tax collections in a deposition he gave in 1989 as part of a lawsuit filed by residents who had been kicked out of their homes on trust land. The deposition is included in Elissa Wall's civil lawsuit against the UEP, in which she is seeking damages for her 2001 marriage at age 14.
Here is Jessop explaining tax collections:
Attorney Jeff Swinton: How often does Truman Barlow give you money for the payment of taxes?
Fred Jessop: Three times a year.
Swinton: You tell him how much you need?
Jessop: Yes.
Swinton: And he gives you that much?
Jessop: He gives me what he has. I don't recall that it has ever been enough.
Swinton: Where have you gotten the rest of the money if it hasn't been enough?
Jessop: From church funds.
http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/archives/2...
On the YFZ, they get away with paying taxes that range from $2.54 to somewhere around $500.00 for the land they managed to get taxed according to a different value than say someone would who owned a home.

The other part is taxed at around 154,000 per year, but when you look at the number of individuals and industry you have to pay that it's not a huge amount for the sheer number living there.

I don't know what they will do next year without the slaves to work in the industries to pay the taxes.

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Ava Mae, You can spout all the crap all you want!
These FLDS have as much right to property in Colorado as any other American citizen. If you have any evidence that they or anybody else is breaking the law, then call the police. They also have the right to vote and hold office. I hope they do get enough people to vote out the bigot scum who apparently in office right now. If you don't like the thought of "those" people living nearby. Then sell your property and get the F--- out! If you get a low price for it, tuff sh--! If it makes you unhappy, seek counseling!

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Westcliffe Resident, sames goes for you. Westcliffe sounds like a nice place, maybe all the bigot scum like you can leave and be replaced with decent tolerant folks who choose to ignore all the hate-mongering trash as well as FLDS, Amish, or any other religious group.

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Als Ava Mae, the "lost" boys are a myth. Most of them left to get jobs elsewhere and the rest left voluntarily. Many girl leave as well. By the way, ex-FLDS hate that term "lost boys". So go spew your putrid hate mongering filth elsewhere.
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Als Ava Mae, the "lost" boys are a myth. Most of them left to get jobs elsewhere and the rest left voluntarily. Many girl leave as well. By the way, ex-FLDS hate that term "lost boys". So go spew your putrid hate mongering filth elsewhere.
The FLDS certainly tell the story different than people who tell the truth about the lost boys, don't they?

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duaneh wrote:
Als Ava Mae, the "lost" boys are a myth. Most of them left to get jobs elsewhere and the rest left voluntarily. Many girl leave as well. By the way, ex-FLDS hate that term "lost boys". So go spew your putrid hate mongering filth elsewhere.
*roflmao*... Hitler had a fan club too!
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Dyann PACA West- CA wrote:
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*roflmao*... Hitler had a fan club too!
Dyann, people don't believe me about the taxes for the YFZ. They can look on the tax rolls themselves.

I don't know how someone in Round Rock would know about the Lost Boys.
Can they prove it is a myth? I used to live near Round Rock so I know where that is and it's not Eldorado or West Tx. It's in the Hill Country.

I don't think most people knew about the compound/ranch in Eldorado until the raid hit. I had seen things on Colorado City and Hilldale, polygamy in general and apparently they came here when things heated up and were under scrutiny in Utah and Arizona. There are some threads here on the Lost Boys who had charges against Warren Jeffs. Is that all made up too? I don't think so.

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The world according to Hannah would have us all believe the LDS/FLDS is so important to the govt, that it has little else to do than concentrate it's efforts on false information about them.

I'm pretty sure if the Feds are involved in ANYthing, they've got good reason. They don't generally screw up like the Andy of Salt Lake-Mayberry Sheriffs they keep firing for corrution regarding FLDS.

JMO
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I see the stupid games or games being played on the Latter Day Saints board that sometimes finds its way over here.

Looks like Larry has been sent on a mission to do research on the gold plates
while living on disability.

The "new" Hannah and Mad Libs Millie seem to be from the same place.

I was warned to ignore Saviourself, supposedly a male.

The Book of Mormon is online, so why do missionaries have to go door to door, handing them out? Big waste.

I don't know what Hannah's deal was with Catholics/Evangelicals or any religion not Mormon or LDS.

It's funny how people who say they are so interested in the civil rights of the FLDS run around trying to tell people on the board to "shut it" ....

Are there any women left defending over at the LDS site or is it just a
boys on disbability behaving badly club?

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Deguello, can you prove it is not a myth? At any rate, the FLDS, like the Amish, Mennonites or any other "strange" religious group, have as much right to own property and vote as any other citizen. I understand the locals in Westcliffe never see them anyway, so what is the problem? Are they infecting you with their "polygamy"? In the absence of evidence of crimes, the government default is to leave people alone. If you don't like the fact that your neighbors have "weird" beliefs, then sell your property to non-bigots and get the f*** out. Or just tend to your own affairs and mind your own god-damned business. If you don't want to sell, then seek therapy to help you cope with the fact that "weird" people are living nearby. Or you can attack them, face a mult-million dollar bill and perhaps your "bubba" sheriff will be out of a job. They kept out of local politics in Eldorado until they got attacked without provacation. It appears they are going to fight back the old-fashioned way by voting.
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Boo Hoo
Cry me a hand full.
The poor little FLDS FREAKS.
BOO HOO
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duaneh wrote:
Als Ava Mae, the "lost" boys are a myth. Most of them left to get jobs elsewhere and the rest left voluntarily. Many girl leave as well. By the way, ex-FLDS hate that term "lost boys". So go spew your putrid hate mongering filth elsewhere.
listen bran muffin. we are looking at buying property in westcliffe. i looked at a wonderful log home for sale next to the inbred mormons property..the agent told us about their compound adjacent to this property. we didn't buy it because of that reason. a deal breaker because i don't want to see my property values go into the toilet because of them.

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