Fight to legalize gay marriage in Rhode Island

Jan 15, 2013 Read more: New York Daily News 524

Supporters of same-sex marriage rights plan to assemble at the Rhode Island Statehouse to urge lawmakers to make the smallest state the 10th to allow gay and lesbian couples to wed - and the last to do so in New England.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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#473 Jan 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Judging from the most recent elections in Maine, Maryland, & Washington where voters approved same-sex couples marrying, I'd say "a lot of us" includes a significant number of heterosexuals who don't think same-sex couples should be denied the right to marry just because they don't provide both genders in that marriage.
Perhaps, but there's still the fact of 31 states voted the other way. Is that the only reason for the support? Certainly not the sole reason. Do heterosexual supporters of SSM put in the same terms as you do? Of the ones you know, naturally.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#474 Jan 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Perhaps, but there's still the fact of 31 states voted the other way. Is that the only reason for the support? Certainly not the sole reason. Do heterosexual supporters of SSM put in the same terms as you do? Of the ones you know, naturally.
One state at a time, one vote at at time. It's only a matter of time before we start overturning those 30 state constitutional bans, likely starting with Oregon.

Yes, the heterosexual supporters of marriage equality whom I know put it essentially in the same terms I do- the freedom to marry the person of your choice, without regard to gender.
Quest

Woodford, VA

#475 Jan 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Perhaps, but there's still the fact of 31 states voted the other way. Is that the only reason for the support? Certainly not the sole reason. Do heterosexual supporters of SSM put in the same terms as you do? Of the ones you know, naturally.
Some do, some do not. But you can't possibly believe that even the states that passed amendments out of hatred or irrational fears will maintain then forever.
The trends just don't support that outcome.
It's only a matter of how much pain will be caused to good gay folks and their families in those states, and for how long such harm will continue.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#476 Jan 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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or anti conjugal marriage
or legalized gender segregated marriage
or redefined marriage
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There may be some benefits that can apply to SSCs as well, that doesn't mean they all will. Again, as an example, a study that shows a married man lives longer because of his wife, how would that be applicable to a lesbian couple?
Is it because his wife has a vagina, or because she is a loving, caring, nurturing person?
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#477 Jan 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Perhaps, but there's still the fact of 31 states voted the other way.
When DOMA goes down it won't matter. States will have to recognize marriages performed in another State.

The jig is up. You can either adapt or you can join the dinosaurs.

Here is when you bring up religion. We know that religious animus is the reason behind your prejudice. Fortunately, that helps our side.

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#478 Jan 25, 2013
Osama Obama wrote:
Wonder why the country is so perverted?And going to hell!Look closely at all of these ugly faces.
Don't you have a Ku Klux Klan meeting to attend? Make sure you put on white robes.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#479 Jan 26, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text> When DOMA goes down it won't matter. States will have to recognize marriages performed in another State.
The jig is up. You can either adapt or you can join the dinosaurs.
Here is when you bring up religion. We know that religious animus is the reason behind your prejudice. Fortunately, that helps our side.
Religion?
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#480 Jan 26, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Religion?
Did I misspell it? Religion. What other argument do you have left?

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#481 Jan 26, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Did I misspell it? Religion. What other argument do you have left?
Hmmmmm......did I mention religion as the reason to oppose reefing marriage?

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#482 Jan 26, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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yes, I specifically put it there...
In GENERAL, children of straights will fare better...
now watch as you highlight children of gay couples who have done just fine...
see what I am doing here?
However, the facts and stats don't show that to really be the case. There is nothing that shows that - in general - that the children of straight couples do better - in general - then the children of gay couples.

That's the point.

The most popular studies used to promote your ideas compared ONLY single parents to straight married parents. Gay folks were excluded from the studies intentionally. Then the anti-gay crowd tried to put gay couples in the SAME category as single parents to prove a point.

They failed.

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#483 Jan 26, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Hmmmmm......did I mention religion as the reason to oppose reefing marriage?
I don't think that one came out quite right.

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#484 Jan 26, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Religion?
Which groups are the most likely to oppose gay folks legally marrying?

Statistically, they are religious groups. For religious reasons.

That explains the complete lack of rational and logical reasons against gay folks legally marrying.

If you have "faith" that you are right, even in the face of proof that you are wrong - religion is usually behind your views.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#485 Jan 26, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Which groups are the most likely to oppose gay folks legally marrying?
Statistically, they are religious groups. For religious reasons.
That explains the complete lack of rational and logical reasons against gay folks legally marrying.
If you have "faith" that you are right, even in the face of proof that you are wrong - religion is usually behind your views.
Is the flip side of that true as well? Is atheism behind the lack of rational and logical reasons for redefining marriage, or to put it another way, for claiming there is a compelling need for SSM?
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#486 Jan 26, 2013
Have you ever stood in the court of law with Medical review board and old teachers and school district and church members, to perform a sex act infront of all to constimate your attempt to matrimony of a same sexed partner?

It happens and is proof in court and not considered crual and inhame mistreatment as aresult people spent to much time with best friend and believe they missed the boat to accessibility of matrimony BY LAw of a heterosexual relation.

Others had to proof as a result of FRAUD on tax filing which is a huge maximum sentenceing to matrimony or claim a false sexual fetish for conjoined taxes.

Others had to PROOF that the feelings were always mutual and not just in a close space and someone suggested and manipulated the brain in a developmental crucial time and faultered a brianwashing inadvertantly or purposefully partner goes to prison for suggesting sexual style or partner not of social norm or legal and then you go to rehabilitation to take out extra curricular information and reentered in society, with comprehension as to how you were brainwashing(BRAIN DEATH)and you can not affiliate wioth that person or mutual affiliates again and suggested to relocate to assume normal life again.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#487 Jan 26, 2013
Jaimie wrote:
Have you ever stood in the court of law with Medical review board and old teachers and school district and church members, to perform a sex act infront of all to constimate your attempt to matrimony of a same sexed partner?
It happens and is proof in court and not considered crual and inhame mistreatment as aresult people spent to much time with best friend and believe they missed the boat to accessibility of matrimony BY LAw of a heterosexual relation.
Others had to proof as a result of FRAUD on tax filing which is a huge maximum sentenceing to matrimony or claim a false sexual fetish for conjoined taxes.
Others had to PROOF that the feelings were always mutual and not just in a close space and someone suggested and manipulated the brain in a developmental crucial time and faultered a brianwashing inadvertantly or purposefully partner goes to prison for suggesting sexual style or partner not of social norm or legal and then you go to rehabilitation to take out extra curricular information and reentered in society, with comprehension as to how you were brainwashing(BRAIN DEATH)and you can not affiliate wioth that person or mutual affiliates again and suggested to relocate to assume normal life again.
HI Rhode Island, I almost met you. I worked for Great LAkes Inc. Clarion Suites LTD training headquarters, I was Housekeeping Supervisor/housekeeper float. I was promoted by COrporate head to my own Luxery Suites either in Minnesota or Iowa development in 2002-2003.

Patty told me that they were moving me for the training experience to Rhode ISland to prepare for my own hotel, and I was the only Manager that had rights to PICK furnature and all room decor and hotel for my own staff, ALTHOUGH, PAtty said you guys on the PIER were haneous killers and ran out of housekeeping deprtment and brutally assualted her on the pier after she went to audit your department one day.

Patty has a all illegal staff they were auditted once and begged for me to call INS AND IRS again, Jamie and Crescencio were big cocaine smugglers, and GAIL AND PATTY got hooked on phonics.......I quit and had a vein clogged and had to have it remove, heart was irregularity in beating and circulation was disrupted, They shaved smooth the area for surgical procedure, I went to show the naighbors the stiches and had no clue the left side was bald. SICK isn't it. BUt I am alive and had compliments form anestisiologist for its dainty appearence and nice coloring with out any black heads or blemishes and color distrubances like other females my age. Sick huh

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#488 Jan 26, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Is the flip side of that true as well? Is atheism behind the lack of rational and logical reasons for redefining marriage, or to put it another way, for claiming there is a compelling need for SSM?
Why must the flip side NEED to be true?

You can't deny that religious folks are the spearhead of the anti-marriage movement, spurred on by their belief that God Himself is putting the wind beneath their wings.

That's where most of the dollars for the anti-marriage campaigns are coming from.

While there are non-religious folks who don't like the idea of gay folks marrying for all sorts of reasons, do you really think their interest and money-making machines are anywhere near as strong and well organised as those from the religious community? Are they as driven?

Doubtful. They don't believe their creator demands their drive and efforts to stop gay folks from marrying.

As to a compelling NEED for marriage. No couple today is required to prove such a thing.

We all know, and stats show, that it helps to provide financial and emotional security to the couples who successfully navigate it. And that provides added security for children, and elderly couples as well. These facts apply equally to gay couples, for all the same reasons.

Is that a "compelling need"?

You would need to ask several thousand straight and gay couples to find out their take.

But it's not hard to understand that the "need" is exactly the same for those straight and gay couples who choose marriage as their calling and lifestyle.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#489 Jan 26, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Is the flip side of that true as well? Is atheism behind the lack of rational and logical reasons for redefining marriage, or to put it another way, for claiming there is a compelling need for SSM?
Considering the overwhelming majority of those who support marriage for same-sex couples are self-described christians, I'd have to say that's a big fat no.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#490 Jan 26, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Why must the flip side NEED to be true?
You can't deny that religious folks are the spearhead of the anti-marriage movement, spurred on by their belief that God Himself is putting the wind beneath their wings.
Yes, there is a religious element to opposing redefining marriage. That's not surprising.
That's where most of the dollars for the anti-marriage campaigns are coming from.
Where do most of the dollars come from in support of the redefine marriage movement?
While there are non-religious folks who don't like the idea of gay folks marrying for all sorts of reasons, do you really think their interest and money-making machines are anywhere near as strong and well organised as those from the religious community? Are they as driven?
Doubtful. They don't believe their creator demands their drive and efforts to stop gay folks from marrying.
Annnnnd all the money that went into the marriage redefinition movements in the past election came from where?
As to a compelling NEED for marriage. No couple today is required to prove such a thing.
Why would they have to? There's been enough studies that show that marriage, the union of husband and wife, oriented around the procreative aspect of the male female physical union, provides stability to each other, their children, and society as a whole.
We all know, and stats show, that it helps to provide financial and emotional security to the couples who successfully navigate it. And that provides added security for children, and elderly couples as well.These facts apply equally to gay couples, for all the same reasons.
Not quite the same.....see above.
You would need to ask several thousand straight and gay couples to find out their take.
But it's not hard to understand that the "need" is exactly the same for those straight and gay couples who choose marriage as their calling and lifestyle.
Why not ask those same couples why marriage exists in the first place? Why not ask them if its important to society that children are born to, and raised by, their own biological married Mom and Dad in a stable marriage. How does redefining marriage support that objective? If marriage can be redefined by one group, is it acceptable for another group to do that as well?

“John Averitt is a molester.”

Since: Nov 08

Cookeville

#491 Jan 26, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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That wouldn't be an issue in a same sex sibling marriage if those were allowed.
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Not quite sure where you were going with that one, some clarity perhaps.
Man has a innate fear of the consequences of such relationships, so much, in fact, that such a relationship would be rare to begin with. the warning/fear manifests itself in an uneasy feeling that we get when i tell you that women's nipples must be erect when they're breast feeding their young. I dislike incest, and i dislike pedos/animal abusers who hunt children and non human beasts,and wed/orgasm with them by way of molestation/rape and arrested development.

“John Averitt is a molester.”

Since: Nov 08

Cookeville

#492 Jan 26, 2013
Annny who, gay couples are just fine with me. They just want to enjoy love and liberty as everyone else does, what's the hold up?As i said, it isnt a constitutional issue its just some scared religionists who dont believe gays can live normal lives, many do. Now, if there is a rational explanation for the fear some have when applies to homosexuallity, it's that it IS deviant behavior to begin with, in other words, if you'll smoke a joint, what else would your crazy butt do? Kinda like their prone to trying something different anyway and that standard may be a bad one to set.As for me, i want fruitcakes to marry and be happy.

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