terre haute firefighters
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#45 Jun 22, 2012
got ya wrote:
he got it while he could, must be just a little smarter than you
You got me there. Norm is the MAN!!
WTF

Terre Haute, IN

#46 Jun 22, 2012
So much for brotherhood in either of the careers!! This is a disgrace to the fire service community and the law enforcement community. In both careers, all you guys have is each other. It doesn't matter if your a volunteer firefighter, paid firefighter, merit officer or a reserve officer. You ALL should work together and not against one another. I believe that because, when either professions needs help, you don't call Joe Blow to help, you call next available agency or the closest unit. The unit, engine company, squad or officer maybe the guy you just trashed talkd you about some stupid rumor or something petty or the guy that was banging you ole lady. You all should look after one another and not be doing things to hurt one another. YOU ALL SHOULD FOLLOW THE BROTHERHOOD AND LIVE BY IT. If you don't, it could dramatically change the out come of an incident one day and if you don't, what do we have? I'll tell you what we have, nothing but a bunch of guys and gals hurting themselves. Again, this is bullshit and you all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Know first hand

United States

#47 Jun 22, 2012
Hootie wrote:
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Then run for a position and change things, become an investigator and bring proof of the corruption to light.
It's funny that you say to run for a position because I've seriously considered that but I'm not up to par with election fraud skills nor do I have any relatives that are in any positions or members in good standing with the klan/good ol' boyz club.
Now about having proof, would it even matter? No amount will convince a few of you anyway no matter how concrete the evidence was.
Hootie

Clinton, IN

#48 Jun 22, 2012
Know first hand wrote:
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It's funny that you say to run for a position because I've seriously considered that but I'm not up to par with election fraud skills nor do I have any relatives that are in any positions or members in good standing with the klan/good ol' boyz club.
Now about having proof, would it even matter? No amount will convince a few of you anyway no matter how concrete the evidence was.
Who doubted it? I just suggested you do something to make a change. You don't have to be one of the "good ol' boyz" to make an effort. FYI: the Klan isn't nearly as popular or strong as it once was in this area. Maybe a couple of counties north but not as much in Vigo county.
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#49 Jun 23, 2012
Momma wrote:
Firefighters are not paid an hourly wage. I believe it's a set amount per year like most county and city employees.
The approximate annual salary for Firefighters in Terre Haute is about $35,000. Entry level is about $22,000 while a more experienced firefighter gets approximately $46,000.
These are just the base pay levels. But check that entry level. It's more than $35k, not $22k. See Article 43 of the IAFF Contract. The contract goes on, lavishing each brave firefighter with: Training and Certification Pay, HazMat Pay, EMS Cert pay, Free day off before all training, driver pay,$7,500 clothing allowance (but can wear Union T Shirts as much as they want), longevity pay, give only $1 a year for pension, free group life insurance, health insurance, retiree health insurance including spouse, dental insurance, cash buyout of overtime, free time off for all city council business, free 24 hour Drug, Alcohol, and marriage counseling, free legal defense, replacement of personal items lost on duty, and finally, six pages of procedures to protect firefighters against anyone saying they ever did something wrong. The total cost to the taxpayer to compensate firefighters is way, way more than the figures you show.
Agreed

Terre Haute, IN

#50 Jun 23, 2012
Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>These are just the base pay levels. But check that entry level. It's more than $35k, not $22k. See Article 43 of the IAFF Contract. The contract goes on, lavishing each brave firefighter with: Training and Certification Pay, HazMat Pay, EMS Cert pay, Free day off before all training, driver pay,$7,500 clothing allowance (but can wear Union T Shirts as much as they want), longevity pay, give only $1 a year for pension, free group life insurance, health insurance, retiree health insurance including spouse, dental insurance, cash buyout of overtime, free time off for all city council business, free 24 hour Drug, Alcohol, and marriage counseling, free legal defense, replacement of personal items lost on duty, and finally, six pages of procedures to protect firefighters against anyone saying they ever did something wrong. The total cost to the taxpayer to compensate firefighters is way, way more than the figures you show.
I like the term "volunteer". These people used the 911 tragedies to convince the world they deserve more than they do. This is Terre Haute, not NYC.
Momma

Clinton, IN

#51 Jun 23, 2012
Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>These are just the base pay levels. But check that entry level. It's more than $35k, not $22k. See Article 43 of the IAFF Contract. The contract goes on, lavishing each brave firefighter with: Training and Certification Pay, HazMat Pay, EMS Cert pay, Free day off before all training, driver pay,$7,500 clothing allowance (but can wear Union T Shirts as much as they want), longevity pay, give only $1 a year for pension, free group life insurance, health insurance, retiree health insurance including spouse, dental insurance, cash buyout of overtime, free time off for all city council business, free 24 hour Drug, Alcohol, and marriage counseling, free legal defense, replacement of personal items lost on duty, and finally, six pages of procedures to protect firefighters against anyone saying they ever did something wrong. The total cost to the taxpayer to compensate firefighters is way, way more than the figures you show.
Entry level firefighters do not rack up all the additional certifications that increase their pay the first week they are in the department. The experience they acquire during the rookie years will eventually add increases but again, it takes time so their pay is closer to the figure I quoted.
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#52 Jun 23, 2012
Momma wrote:
<quoted text>
Entry level firefighters do not rack up all the additional certifications that increase their pay the first week they are in the department. The experience they acquire during the rookie years will eventually add increases but again, it takes time so their pay is closer to the figure I quoted.
Be careful. The Union fought hard to get Private base pay above $35k. If you are trying to get it back down to $22K again, the Union might take that as a sign of disrepect.
Momma

Clinton, IN

#53 Jun 23, 2012
I did a little more looking and found a local news article that supports your facts; however the first source I quoted does support what I first posted. I'll accept the news article info as correct and most current.
Thanks for the heads up but I didn't need the warning.
Taxpayer

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#54 Jun 23, 2012
Momma wrote:
Thanks for the heads up but I didn't need the warning.
Just remember, firefighters put out fires, but their Union extinguishes careers.
Momma

Clinton, IN

#55 Jun 23, 2012
Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>Just remember, firefighters put out fires, but their Union extinguishes careers.
Couldn't make it past the eliminations?
Dragon Fly

United States

#56 Jun 23, 2012
WTF wrote:
So much for brotherhood in either of the careers!! This is a disgrace to the fire service community and the law enforcement community. In both careers, all you guys have is each other. It doesn't matter if your a volunteer firefighter, paid firefighter, merit officer or a reserve officer. You ALL should work together and not against one another. I believe that because, when either professions needs help, you don't call Joe Blow to help, you call next available agency or the closest unit. The unit, engine company, squad or officer maybe the guy you just trashed talkd you about some stupid rumor or something petty or the guy that was banging you ole lady. You all should look after one another and not be doing things to hurt one another. YOU ALL SHOULD FOLLOW THE BROTHERHOOD AND LIVE BY IT. If you don't, it could dramatically change the out come of an incident one day and if you don't, what do we have? I'll tell you what we have, nothing but a bunch of guys and gals hurting themselves. Again, this is bullshit and you all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Even if one of your brothers is subpar on drugs and drunk you should allow him to f-up so he can kill you on the job all in the name of the brotherhood.
WTF

United States

#57 Jun 23, 2012
Dragon Fly wrote:
<quoted text>Even if one of your brothers is subpar on drugs and drunk you should allow him to f-up so he can kill you on the job all in the name of the brotherhood.
No, of course not. That's were the brotherhood comes in. Look after each other to be sure they don't. Get them out or home and replaced with another guy. Help the individual with the problem and get the help they need.
Hedy Lamarr

United States

#58 Jun 23, 2012
Government and politics play a big role in all of our lives. ; some more than others but when it cones down to it, when these men and women put their lives on the line to save our sorry asses
From house fires, auto accidents, etc. They Do It because that's what they do best!
Anyone of them that puts their life on the line to save mine deserves my respect and gratitude for their unselfish acts .
Hootie

United States

#59 Jun 23, 2012
You said it Hedy!
Thcitizen

United States

#60 Jun 23, 2012
Hedy Lamarr wrote:
Government and politics play a big role in all of our lives. ; some more than others but when it cones down to it, when these men and women put their lives on the line to save our sorry asses
From house fires, auto accidents, etc. They Do It because that's what they do best!
Anyone of them that puts their life on the line to save mine deserves my respect and gratitude for their unselfish acts .
I am on a different FD than Terre Haute but thank you very much for posting that. people like to complain alot and say just anyone can do it and were all a bunch of lazy trash and it is really not the case. citizens like you make the risk worthwhile.
street smarts

Terre Haute, IN

#61 Jun 24, 2012
Firefighters are often seen grocery shopping in huge fire trucks. How much gas does that take and what does it cost the taxpayers?
Momma

Clinton, IN

#62 Jun 24, 2012
street smarts wrote:
Firefighters are often seen grocery shopping in huge fire trucks. How much gas does that take and what does it cost the taxpayers?
I seriously doubt they stop at the store on the way back from a fire call out in the huge ladder truck. If by "huge fire truck" you're talking about the rescue unit you're even dumber than you sound.
Agreed

Terre Haute, IN

#63 Jun 24, 2012
Hedy Lamarr wrote:
Government and politics play a big role in all of our lives. ; some more than others but when it cones down to it, when these men and women put their lives on the line to save our sorry asses
From house fires, auto accidents, etc. They Do It because that's what they do best!
Anyone of them that puts their life on the line to save mine deserves my respect and gratitude for their unselfish acts .
Sorry, but when you get paid to go into that fire, it's not an unselfish act. You have motivation to do so. Now, if an auto accident takes place and a random citizens stops, calls 911 and pulls a victim from the burning wreck, that is an unselfish act. He will not get his picture in the paper receiving an award from Don Smith. He will not recieve financial compensation in the mail. No motivation other than helping someone out. "Volunteer"!
Wife of a firefighter

Terre Haute, IN

#64 Jun 24, 2012
My husband sacrifices his life for every single citizen of TH. We have car wrecks, house fires, and overdoses that he goes to daily. We have people in TH who use the city firefighters for medical care. Talking about a waste of money! We also have people on meth starting hazardous fires and environments.

Many people do not realize firefighters in TH work 24 hours shifts. They have 48 hours off. They work EVERY holiday. Unlike most of you. They also do not get paid extra for that. My husband misses out on special family celebrations, school functions, and extra curricular events.

As for seeing a fire engine at the grocery, how do you think they eat while working? They decide together what will be served for brunch and dinner. They then drive to the closest grocery store and shop. They drive the fire engine in case they catch a run.

My husband works as a firefighter because that is what he has always wanted to do. It upsets me that there are people that must make it out to be a less than admirable career choice. As for me, my heart flutters every time I know he is fighting a fire. There is always the chance he may no make it out. There really isn't a price that can replace the husband and father that my children and I love so much!

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