No place for quasi-private school

No place for quasi-private school

There are 39 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from Dec 26, 2009, titled No place for quasi-private school. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

I just found myself agreeing with Alan Chartock, , so the science must surely be settled.

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ResponsibleParty

Berne, NY

#21 Dec 29, 2009
Charter schools are PUBLIC... why don't you learn a bit? So, to answer your scenerio, if Tommy also wants to go HE CAN! Educate yourself before posting!
i say

Syracuse, NY

#22 Dec 30, 2009
IF my kid wants to apply herself and learn something she should not be dragged down by Johnny-give-a-crap who could care less about learning how to add and subtract..
the whole idea of mixing kids who want to learn with kids who don't is bringing everyone down

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#23 Dec 30, 2009
ResponsibleParty wrote:
Charter schools are PUBLIC... why don't you learn a bit? So, to answer your scenerio, if Tommy also wants to go HE CAN! Educate yourself before posting!
Ok Jr, you need to take a reading comprehension course becuase you can't read worth a crap.I know the schools are public my response was to the points made in the post I was answering ....and no Jr Tommy can't go, charter schools don't take just anyone moron it was the point I was trying to make,if they did they would be no different then a regular public school.

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#24 Dec 30, 2009
i say wrote:
IF my kid wants to apply herself and learn something she should not be dragged down by Johnny-give-a-crap who could care less about learning how to add and subtract..
the whole idea of mixing kids who want to learn with kids who don't is bringing everyone down
See you're one of those parents that I was talking about.The ones that their child is the brightest and smartest ,if you kid is so smart send her or him to a better school but I won't pay for it other then what I pay for now ......make the schools better.Stop cutting things from the schools that are all ready there and make them better ....then every kid has the same chance,not just your perfect kid.
i say

Syracuse, NY

#25 Dec 30, 2009
Giantone wrote:
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See you're one of those parents that I was talking about.The ones that their child is the brightest and smartest ,if you kid is so smart send her or him to a better school but I won't pay for it other then what I pay for now ......make the schools better.Stop cutting things from the schools that are all ready there and make them better ....then every kid has the same chance,not just your perfect kid.
the only difference between my kid and your kid is that mine was taught that the more you know the better you can get along in life. Obviously, you have taught your kid that if he stays lazy and fat like his dad other people will do his work for him and he can live on welfare when he gets old enough.
it is you who is not giving your kid a fair chance...not the charter school
changing times

Chesterfield, MA

#26 Dec 30, 2009
Giantone wrote:
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They have options,if the child is above his class move to where he or she can be challenged but your way of thinking won't work.Lets say Johnny goes to a charter school well now his best friend Tommy wants to go also,his grades are good but not great why doesn't he deserve the right to be challenged like the other students.Lets not even mention Parents who ...and yes all are like this ....think their child is the smartest or brightest,Schools are not here for the tax- paying Families as you say ,there here for the kids and teachers are doing the best they can with what they have which is very little.
You say that when a families needs are not being met by the local school district that they should move that is both improper logic and when its the only option its part of the current problem.

Why should a family bear thousands of dollars in costs and inconvenience when their school district fails?

Across Massachusetts parents have moved to the suburbs and out of urban areas to escape failing school districts. Has this helped the cities they abandoned?

Charter Schools allow parents to have more say in their children's education AND can provide stability to the neighborhoods they would otherwise abandon.
changing times

Chesterfield, MA

#27 Dec 30, 2009
Giantone wrote:
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Ok Jr, you need to take a reading comprehension course becuase you can't read worth a crap.I know the schools are public my response was to the points made in the post I was answering ....and no Jr Tommy can't go, charter schools don't take just anyone moron it was the point I was trying to make,if they did they would be no different then a regular public school.
You need to get informed about the admissions rules the state has established for Charter Schools. Students can get into if they apply. Parent involvement is the big difference not admissions requirements.(If the school is full the must have a three tiered lottery for admission favoring first the local school district, then siblings, then others from out of district.)

Are you a member of of the MTA (Mass Teachers Association)? The MA teachers union is opposed to charter schools because most of them are not unionized.

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#28 Dec 31, 2009
i say wrote:
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the only difference between my kid and your kid is that mine was taught that the more you know the better you can get along in life. Obviously, you have taught your kid that if he stays lazy and fat like his dad other people will do his work for him and he can live on welfare when he gets old enough.
it is you who is not giving your kid a fair chance...not the charter school
Ahhh,here come the insults.LOL.....I'seem to have hit a nerve.Proves my point.

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#29 Dec 31, 2009
changing times wrote:
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You need to get informed about the admissions rules the state has established for Charter Schools. Students can get into if they apply. Parent involvement is the big difference not admissions requirements.(If the school is full the must have a three tiered lottery for admission favoring first the local school district, then siblings, then others from out of district.)
Are you a member of of the MTA (Mass Teachers Association)? The MA teachers union is opposed to charter schools because most of them are not unionized.
No not a memeber and this has nothing to do with Unions so try and stay on track .You're saying grades don't matter in admissions and you're dead wrong,noone is talking about what happens when the school is full,again my post was saying fix the schools we have just don't start new ones and expect me to pay for them.
teacher

Syracuse, NY

#30 Dec 31, 2009
Giantone wrote:
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No not a memeber and this has nothing to do with Unions so try and stay on track .You're saying grades don't matter in admissions and you're dead wrong,noone is talking about what happens when the school is full,again my post was saying fix the schools we have just don't start new ones and expect me to pay for them.
That is the whole point dude! They have been "fixing" the schools forever...school budgets have quadrupled but the kids are coming out dumber than ever. You are a case in point.
That is why we need options...if you do not want to help at least get out of the way
HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC

Silver Spring, MD

#31 Dec 31, 2009
teacher wrote:
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That is the whole point dude! They have been "fixing" the schools forever...school budgets have quadrupled but the kids are coming out dumber than ever. You are a case in point.
That is why we need options...if you do not want to help at least get out of the way
Exactly!
Case in point, Tom Consolati, Jr., when he was head of Southern Berkshire Regional School District, would come to Monterey's Annual Town meeting always with a forlorn look on his face and bald-face lie to voters whenever questions were asked about why the local school budget was so high.
Consolati even would lie about his salary.
(Based on those lies, Monterey's voters were then asked to vote to approve SBRSD's budget).
Administrators like Consolati and those like him simply cannot be taken at their word when giving answers about anything about the running of the school district.
The sooner that a charter school can provide real competition to the entrenched hacks who run these local school districts, the better.
ResponsibleParty

Berne, NY

#32 Dec 31, 2009
Giantone wrote:
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Ok Jr, you need to take a reading comprehension course becuase you can't read worth a crap.I know the schools are public my response was to the points made in the post I was answering ....and no Jr Tommy can't go, charter schools don't take just anyone moron it was the point I was trying to make,if they did they would be no different then a regular public school.
Excuse me but .. YES THEY DO TAKE ANYONE!!!!!!!!!! if they have an opening in that grade they DO I repeat DO take anyone-Hense its PUBLIC. Idiot. I am no junior,DB. Again get your facts straight.
ResponsibleParty

Berne, NY

#33 Dec 31, 2009
You have no idea the spew coming from your mouth and I'm the moron? Get a clue buddy-and maybe check your fact. EDUCATION is the key to survival. Oh wait maybe you need a charter school to educate you.
Thinking is allowed

Easthampton, MA

#34 Dec 31, 2009
One of the Boston charters only takes kids in Kindergarten because they build a "culture". So when a 4th grader shows up who does not speak english, they won't accept him and he ends up in the real public school, where they take everyone. This is just one way the chaters skim the cream. Are they really, truly public schools?

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#35 Jan 1, 2010
ResponsibleParty wrote:
You have no idea the spew coming from your mouth and I'm the moron? Get a clue buddy-and maybe check your fact. EDUCATION is the key to survival. Oh wait maybe you need a charter school to educate you.
LOL.......your ignorance is just mind boggeling.I know I'm right since you've started name calling and throwing insults.My facts are fine ,fix the schools we have ...no need to create "brand new schools "just to make losers like you feel better.You are right about one thing "EDUCATION" is the key and every child should have that option just not a select few .

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#36 Jan 1, 2010
teacher wrote:
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That is the whole point dude! They have been "fixing" the schools forever...school budgets have quadrupled but the kids are coming out dumber than ever. You are a case in point.
That is why we need options...if you do not want to help at least get out of the way
...dude,again with the dude stuff,how old are you? It's no wonder you can't understand how the real world works.Places like NJ and VA can do it,the voters just need to educate themseleves(try it)and bring in people (the right peopl) to do the job.

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#37 Jan 1, 2010
Thinking is allowed wrote:
One of the Boston charters only takes kids in Kindergarten because they build a "culture". So when a 4th grader shows up who does not speak english, they won't accept him and he ends up in the real public school, where they take everyone. This is just one way the chaters skim the cream. Are they really, truly public schools?
Thank You.
changing times

Chesterfield, MA

#38 Jan 2, 2010
Giantone wrote:
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No not a memeber and this has nothing to do with Unions so try and stay on track .You're saying grades don't matter in admissions and you're dead wrong,noone is talking about what happens when the school is full,again my post was saying fix the schools we have just don't start new ones and expect me to pay for them.
Every child in Massachusetts is eligible to switch to a Charter School regardless of grades or language. Charters tend to be small school in comparison to urban and suburban districts and do not offer the same services as these much larger schools. That is no different than public schools which send children to regional cooperatives or out of district for services they can not provide.

Since they by law are in fact public schools and designed to offer alternatives to parents they are fulfilling their mission to the taxpayers of Massachusetts.

For every Charter School example you could point out I could point out twenty examples of where the Public Schools have failed students, denied services and otherwise done things far worse than the worse Charter School.

There is a Charter School in trouble in Springfield and they will either be rechartered or closed. That is how failures should be dealt with, if they were a public school they would just continue onward with little consequence.

Since: May 07

Stockbridge Mass

#39 Jan 2, 2010
changing times wrote:
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Every child in Massachusetts is eligible to switch to a Charter School regardless of grades or language. Charters tend to be small school in comparison to urban and suburban districts and do not offer the same services as these much larger schools..
This is not true in every case,and if it were then the Charter school would be the same as the other public school.We can't keep building new schools just becuase some parent's are pissed at a teacher for telling them their child is not Einstein,we have good schools and good teachers.....fix the schools we have.

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