Teen driver charged in fatal crash

Teen driver charged in fatal crash

There are 29 comments on the WWLP Massachusetts story from Dec 5, 2008, titled Teen driver charged in fatal crash. In it, WWLP Massachusetts reports that:

The driver of the car that crashed into a tree in Westfield last month, killing 16 year-old Carlos Montes de Oca, has been charged with motor vehicle homicide and operating under the influence of alcohol.

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Kristin

New Boston, NH

#1 Dec 5, 2008
In regard to the Brother s accident in 07. How in Gods name can they give someone Probation for taking someone elses life.
And for a 17 yr old to be driving under the influence what are these kids thinking. Cant vote until your 18 maybe you shouldnt be able to drive either.
unheim

United States

#2 Dec 5, 2008
Kristin wrote:
In regard to the Brother s accident in 07. How in Gods name can they give someone Probation for taking someone elses life.
And for a 17 yr old to be driving under the influence what are these kids thinking. Cant vote until your 18 maybe you shouldnt be able to drive either.
Umm hey stoopid? It was an accident, he didn't "take someones life".
skool

Southbridge, MA

#3 Dec 5, 2008
and here all the kids were saying......get the facts straight......there were no drugs or drinking.....and yet BAM the truth comes out
Jane

Easthampton, MA

#4 Dec 5, 2008
unheim wrote:
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Umm hey stoopid? It was an accident, he didn't "take someones life".
Um, who is stoopid? STUPID is spelled that way, and taking someones life is taking someones life, whether an accident or not!
In defense of comments

Fitchburg, MA

#5 Dec 5, 2008
unheim wrote:
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Umm hey stoopid? It was an accident, he didn't "take someones life".
Actually if the person decided to drink alcohol and drive it is not an accident its someone who made a very very bad decision and the person deserves whatever is coming to him.
Max

Westfield, MA

#7 Dec 5, 2008
it was a accident,i sure that he learned his lesson
confused

Alexandria, VA

#9 Dec 5, 2008
who else was drinking were they all drinking or was it just him?
Suzy

United States

#13 Dec 5, 2008
Walk a mile in the drivers shoes!!! How would you feel if you killed your friend! Yes, he does have to answer to the charges and yes, he was wrong to get behind the wheel while under the influence. Just remember this, he has to live with this the rest of his life!! He made a stupid choice and now he is paying the consequences!!
Just be happy that it wasn't you.... Be happy that you can learn from this! Next time you are at a party and are drinking remember this incident. Also remember driving is a responsibility not a given right.
DicknJane

United States

#14 Dec 5, 2008
Jane wrote:
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Um, who is stoopid? STUPID is spelled that way, and taking someones life is taking someones life, whether an accident or not!
Because stooopid they have censored certain words, and that's one way around it. Now don't you feel like an (_!_)hole? But hey, you're used to that.
And no stoooooopid, it is NOT the same thing. You are equating accidental (go look that one up) deaths with people who poinbt a gun and kills people. See that's the difference between MUDER and an ACCIDENT. Two more words you need to look up.
FaithnGrace

Florence, MA

#17 Dec 5, 2008
My heart goes out to both Carlos's mom and Alex's mom their both grieving the loss of one of their boys. An accident is just that an accident..BUT everyone makes a choice , and unfortunately in this case Alex made a poor judgement an the end product of this poor decision was the death of Carlos , and Eugene, Eric, and Jonathan will live with some kind of negative medical effect of what had occured as well..So much was loss that early morning of Nov.23,2008. Alex will never get rid of the image he saw that early morning when he called carlos's dad for help, before the cops even got there. BUT Alex needs to be judge now by our judicial system -he needs to be accountable for what occured . "buckle up your seat belts , this is gonna be one hell of a ride"-that statement will always be on replay for those that night that remember him saying that. It's a scarry thought -if it were my son i wouldnt want him to have to go to jail either..BUT if he in some way took the life of a friend BECAUSE he was not being responsible then i would still love him , miss him and visit and support him while he was in prison. sometimes a harsh punishment is the best lesson. We have been prayin that Alex comes to know our Lord and Saviour on a personel level- this will be the only person who will be able to help him throught this time and while he is prison. Alex i hope you and other teens will learn from your mistakes that early morning. "Accident is an Accident -BUT- DEATH IN THIS CASE IS VEHICULAR MANSLAUGHTER,NEGLIANCE AND M-U-R-D-E-R and yes even murder can be accidental; example the 16 yr old grl in the news that just killed her baby with a teddy bear because he wouldnt be quiet. Everyone always has an option "a right or wrong" a way out of a situation. Alex just wasnt listening ..... and now he will hear it everyday and night on replay his statements, his friends words and concerns possibly the screams, the cars exceleration, Carlos's dad's voice the police sirens.....All too sad and for what the thrill and showing off of driving fast in a car?????
those that support Carlos should show up in front of the court house this week at Alex's arraingment
We LOVE YOU, CARLOS MONTES DE OCA
9/10/92-11/23/08
MISSED BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN
"FAITH AND GRACE"-PHIL.4:9
FaithnGrace

Florence, MA

#18 Dec 5, 2008
Kristin wrote:
In regard to the Brother s accident in 07. How in Gods name can they give someone Probation for taking someone elses life.
And for a 17 yr old to be driving under the influence what are these kids thinking. Cant vote until your 18 maybe you shouldnt be able to drive either.
You are right probation is not good enought or equivalent in anyway in that of a life that was taken because of lack of control and judgement . he took the responsiblity to drive his friends home then he should have been responsible if he wanted to show off then he should have been driving by himself on a desolate road so that no one but himself would have been harmed. i think we are the right tract in regards to kids driving, they need to learn while there still in high school but... they also have to follow the law and those that break it get the punishment they deserve.. it shoulnt matter if their 17 or 40 or 72 if speed is a factor and you kill someone in an accident then you deserve to go to jail ESPECIALLY FACTORS LIKE THE AN EXTREMELY EXCESSIVE EXCELERATION FROM THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT... HE WAS NOT JUST SPEEDING OVER 10MPH BUT MORE LIKE 50 OVER THE MARKED MPH. HE WOKE UP TO REALITY.... REALITY OF WHAT HE DID TO NOT ONLY TO CARLOS BUT TO EUGENE, ERIC, AND JONATHAN !!!!!!!!!! Lets hope our judicial sytem finds him accountable for his actions.
JanesAnIdiott

United States

#19 Dec 6, 2008
FaithnGrace wrote:
Lets hope our judicial sytem finds him accountable for his actions.
Man here come the religion freeks. Interesting thing is they spout love and forgiveness, but they'd burn that kid at the stake given half the chance. Religion in moderation is a good thing, christianity and organized religions are just evil and out of control.
Jane

Easthampton, MA

#21 Dec 6, 2008
Gee, you admire me so much you take my name. Thanks. Again, when you take someone's life because you were driving under the influence and had an accident, the life is still lost. That is what I meant. Accident or not, his irresponsible actions cause someone's death, and he is being held accountable.
Kyle Rowan

United States

#23 Dec 7, 2008
I can easily say that disagree with pretty much every comment on this page. My name is Kyle Rowan, I am currently 18 years old and in college, and on April 7, 2007 I was also in a serious accident in which I was the driver (no drugs or alcohol involved, look the accident up in the news archives if you wish). A fence came through the window of the passenger side and went through my BEST friends head. It is an absolute miracle that he is alive today, but in a way he is gone, he lost an eye and his facial structure was altered, he also doesn't seem to be the same best friend that I grew up with. Either way, we both got through it together, and although the ACCIDENT was my fault, he didn't blame me, and we're still best friends to this day. April 7th was easily the worst day of my life and I will never forget a single second of it. The punishments that followed didn't include anything as serious as jail but I felt I was already punished before I even went to court. I paid for my bad decision that very night, and I will be paying for it everyday for the rest of my life, as will Alex. I can only imagine what it must have been like to actually lose his best friend. I do not believe in our judicial system when it comes to accidents, I believe Alex has payed for what he's done. All of you who think he should go to jail for this, realize Carlos agreed to get in the car with a drunk driver in the first place. I assume none of you have ever been in Alex's position or anything like it, I can say that I've experienced something a little bit like it, therefore I feel I have the right to say that jail is the wrong punishment by a long shot. He's feeling more pain and guilt right now than you can imagine, if you think he needs to go to jail etc. and ruin his life even more, that's okay, think what you want, just know you deserve no more sympathy and understanding than you're giving Alex if something like this happens to you. Which believe me, it can, no matter how in control and right you think you are.
honesty

Florence, MA

#24 Dec 7, 2008
Kyle Rowan wrote:
I can easily say that disagree with pretty much every comment on this page. My name is Kyle Rowan, I am currently 18 years old and in college, and on April 7, 2007 I was also in a serious accident in which I was the driver (no drugs or alcohol involved, look the accident up in the news archives if you wish). A fence came through the window of the passenger side and went through my BEST friends head. It is an absolute miracle that he is alive today, but in a way he is gone, he lost an eye and his facial structure was altered, he also doesn't seem to be the same best friend that I grew up with. Either way, we both got through it together, and although the ACCIDENT was my fault, he didn't blame me, and we're still best friends to this day. April 7th was easily the worst day of my life and I will never forget a single second of it. The punishments that followed didn't include anything as serious as jail but I felt I was already punished before I even went to court. I paid for my bad decision that very night, and I will be paying for it everyday for the rest of my life, as will Alex. I can only imagine what it must have been like to actually lose his best friend. I do not believe in our judicial system when it comes to accidents, I believe Alex has payed for what he's done. All of you who think he should go to jail for this, realize Carlos agreed to get in the car with a drunk driver in the first place. I assume none of you have ever been in Alex's position or anything like it, I can say that I've experienced something a little bit like it, therefore I feel I have the right to say that jail is the wrong punishment by a long shot. He's feeling more pain and guilt right now than you can imagine, if you think he needs to go to jail etc. and ruin his life even more, that's okay, think what you want, just know you deserve no more sympathy and understanding than you're giving Alex if something like this happens to you. Which believe me, it can, no matter how in control and right you think you are.
thanks for sharing your first hand experience. Carlos was his friend NOT best friend and as we know of now only Alex was drinking and prior to him being with Carlos and he had alcohol in his system but not enough to be obviousely drunk, there was no bottles in the car. i can see where the similarity to your story and alex's is similar both of you were the drivers BUT your best friend LIVED and alex's friend was KILLED. im sure you both replay the sounds,and nightmares that you were part of on a daily basis... atleast i think i would . Did you have a history of driving too fast as well? alot of whs students said alex drove way too fast and way too frequently things eventually catch up to you..... soooo sad it had to happen this way and with the four other passengers in his car that all have altered lives from here on out. CARLOS KILLED, Eric, Eugene, and Jonathan disabled for life. AND ALEX WALKS AWAY....AND LIVES WITH THE NIGHTMARE OF WHAT HE DID FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. CARLOS ATLEAST DIED INSTANTLY AND PROBABLY FELT LITTLE PAIN I HOPE . I FEEL SORRY FOR THE SURVIVORS WHO WILL SLOWLY REGAIN THE MEMORY OF THE ACTUAL ACCIDENT THE SOUNDS , THE SIGHTS. HE KILLED THEM ALL -
AGAIN , thanks for your insight...... not sure that will help carlos's family and his aunt while she is caring for her only boys who are suffering from this accident and Eugene's family- he was on his way to being a pro skate boarder, not anymore he'll be lucky if he walk right again. Do you ever wish it was you who had died?-do you look at your best friends face and feel the pain everytime you look at him and say why? why not me?. i ask everyday why Carlos.....and the answer--- because his lord and saviour needed him more than we here on earth do . we miss and love Carlos very much.
Kyle Rowan

United States

#25 Dec 7, 2008
honesty wrote:
<quoted text>thanks for sharing your first hand experience. Carlos was his friend NOT best friend and as we know of now only Alex was drinking and prior to him being with Carlos and he had alcohol in his system but not enough to be obviousely drunk, there was no bottles in the car. i can see where the similarity to your story and alex's is similar both of you were the drivers BUT your best friend LIVED and alex's friend was KILLED. im sure you both replay the sounds,and nightmares that you were part of on a daily basis... atleast i think i would . Did you have a history of driving too fast as well? alot of whs students said alex drove way too fast and way too frequently things eventually catch up to you..... soooo sad it had to happen this way and with the four other passengers in his car that all have altered lives from here on out. CARLOS KILLED, Eric, Eugene, and Jonathan disabled for life. AND ALEX WALKS AWAY....AND LIVES WITH THE NIGHTMARE OF WHAT HE DID FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. CARLOS ATLEAST DIED INSTANTLY AND PROBABLY FELT LITTLE PAIN I HOPE . I FEEL SORRY FOR THE SURVIVORS WHO WILL SLOWLY REGAIN THE MEMORY OF THE ACTUAL ACCIDENT THE SOUNDS , THE SIGHTS. HE KILLED THEM ALL -
AGAIN , thanks for your insight...... not sure that will help carlos's family and his aunt while she is caring for her only boys who are suffering from this accident and Eugene's family- he was on his way to being a pro skate boarder, not anymore he'll be lucky if he walk right again. Do you ever wish it was you who had died?-do you look at your best friends face and feel the pain everytime you look at him and say why? why not me?. i ask everyday why Carlos.....and the answer--- because his lord and saviour needed him more than we here on earth do . we miss and love Carlos very much.
Dear "honesty,"
Thank you for responding to my comment, I'm glad to see your feedback. I realized soon after I wrote the comment, it was definitely leaning towards Alex's side and not taking Carlos' family into consideration as much as I should have. I want you to know that just as much of my sympathy goes out to the other kids in the car as well as those who knew Carlos very well. I only expressed so much for Alex because it was after I read all of the comments on the article which consisted mostly of attacks on Alex, kind of a heat of the moment thing. I still believe I meant everything I said however.
I know the fact that Carlos passed away and that my friend was just severely injured is a HUGE difference, it's almost incomparable. Right after the accident my friend wasn't breathing and I instantly assumed that he was gone, and I had I feeling that I would be gone soon after if that was true. Thank god it wasn't true and instead he was left blind in one eye, and yes I have wished that I was the one who got hurt a countless amount of times. I can't say I know how Alex feels. I believe the way you're looking at the loss of Carlos is one of the better ways to see the situation. As I said before, I feel strongly to all of those affected, I spoke for Alex because I feel a connection due to our companionship and our incidents. All I ask is that you and everyone who is suffering from this understands that Alex is suffering with you. Putting Alex in jail does not change the fact that the accident occurred, it will only make his and his families suffering worse. As you may not know, his father was also killed in a car accident.
Whether or not we end up seeing eye to eye on this, I apologize for the loss which you and others have had to face. I wish you all best of luck in the healing process.

Just_Me

Ludlow, MA

#26 Dec 7, 2008
To honesty (and every body else):
Do not make your own story, just get the right info and then talk like you are sure and know all the facts right. Yes, Carlos was killed, but the rest of the passengers are in the good, no life threatening, conditions, now. They are not disabled for the rest of their life or anything like that, like “honesty” said (maybe for some reason you hate Alex so much that you wish all of them were disabled so that Alex could spend big portion of his life in the jail), but thank God all of them are OK. Eugene is walking and recovering very well, as well as Eric and Jonathan (one of them is at home already). So do not make it even worse than it is. And don't confuse killing with an accident. There is a big difference. Just wait for the court decision. There are many more facts that we do not know of. But we are people, we just love to judge… anything... anyone... judging... judging... Have some sympathy, you do not know where you might be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow! We all make bad choices sometimes in our lives. Alex’s bad choice costed a life of another teenager. So people just learn your lesson and you better say a prayer for those families which are going through a difficult time right now instead of judging and acting like you are the most perfect person of the Earth!
Kyle Rowan

United States

#27 Dec 7, 2008
Just_Me wrote:
To honesty (and every body else):
Do not make your own story, just get the right info and then talk like you are sure and know all the facts right. Yes, Carlos was killed, but the rest of the passengers are in the good, no life threatening, conditions, now. They are not disabled for the rest of their life or anything like that, like “honesty” said (maybe for some reason you hate Alex so much that you wish all of them were disabled so that Alex could spend big portion of his life in the jail), but thank God all of them are OK. Eugene is walking and recovering very well, as well as Eric and Jonathan (one of them is at home already). So do not make it even worse than it is. And don't confuse killing with an accident. There is a big difference. Just wait for the court decision. There are many more facts that we do not know of. But we are people, we just love to judge… anything... anyone... judging... judging... Have some sympathy, you do not know where you might be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow! We all make bad choices sometimes in our lives. Alex’s bad choice costed a life of another teenager. So people just learn your lesson and you better say a prayer for those families which are going through a difficult time right now instead of judging and acting like you are the most perfect person of the Earth!
Well said whoever you are.
honesty

Florence, MA

#29 Dec 9, 2008
Just_Me wrote:
To honesty (and every body else):
Do not make your own story, just get the right info and then talk like you are sure and know all the facts right. Yes, Carlos was killed, but the rest of the passengers are in the good, no life threatening, conditions, now. They are not disabled for the rest of their life or anything like that, like “honesty” said (maybe for some reason you hate Alex so much that you wish all of them were disabled so that Alex could spend big portion of his life in the jail), but thank God all of them are OK. Eugene is walking and recovering very well, as well as Eric and Jonathan (one of them is at home already). So do not make it even worse than it is. And don't confuse killing with an accident. There is a big difference. Just wait for the court decision. There are many more facts that we do not know of. But we are people, we just love to judge… anything... anyone... judging... judging... Have some sympathy, you do not know where you might be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow! We all make bad choices sometimes in our lives. Alex’s bad choice costed a life of another teenager. So people just learn your lesson and you better say a prayer for those familiesi which are going through a difficult time right now instead of judging and acting like you are the most perfect person of the Earth!
for the most part you are very right , and im not makin up stories... disabled can also mean emotionally disabled.... i believe that if you or i were in their situation and remembered what we saw and heard that day that we would also have some huge heavy baggage for the rest of our life! so even if you or they can now walk.... life for them will never be the same... "post traumatic disorder"... i pray for all involved in this tragic incident. we are close family to carlos's family i mean no harm to any of them or to insult you. it sounds like you might have some personal insight as well-or close relationship to them too. bottom line we love carlos and jessyka ,angel sashi,domi,jessie and our love and support along wiyh prayers are with them!!!!! ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HEALING FROM THIS AND IT DOESNT MEAN THAT ALL OF THE PAIN -WELL IT MAY NEVER GO AWAY THE ONLY RELIEF WILL BE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST AND LYING IT ALL DOWN AT HIS FEET
thats it

Southbridge, MA

#30 Dec 9, 2008
unheim wrote:
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Umm hey stoopid? It was an accident, he didn't "take someones life".
IT IS NO ACCIDENT if the driver was DRUNK which he was
IT WAS NO ACCIDENT if there speeding

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