Report: Nuclear Power Won't Solve Global Warming

Nov 21, 2009 Full story: WSAW 45

A new report says nuclear power plants would take too long to build and are too expensive to make any impact on global warming.

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jeppen

Motala, Sweden

#1 Nov 21, 2009
Since nuclear is half the cost of the best non-fossil alternative - wind - and nuclear still isn't cheap and fast enough, I guess we are doomed. Doomed, I tell you!

(Actually, cost and speed is the same thing, as we have limited funding. And I happen to disagree, of course nuclear is fast enough if we want it to be.)
tjostemj

United States

#2 Nov 21, 2009
Not only is nuclear only half the cost of wind it requires ten times less concrete and steel than wind and it has a projects life span three to five times that of wind.
While LWRS can replace fossil full short term, we should complete the R and D on advance generation unpressurized reactors which show promise of being cheaper and faster to build. The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) is a particularly intriguing option. A promising thorium molten salt reactor was operated at Oak Ridge National Lab for about five years in the 1960s.

The electricity rates in Sweden are the envy of the world. The carbon footprint is small too,owing to you nuclear and hydro power. Congrats on lifting the moratorium on building nuclear power.
Dan

Centereach, NY

#3 Nov 21, 2009
These are the kind of stories that burn me up.
Wisconson Environmental identifies that greenhouse gas emission s need to be curtailed but now where on there website to they even recognizr nuclear as an alternative which accomplishes this goal. There website which as a matter of fact only addresses Wisconson state electric/environmental issues only supports what they call renewable energy and essentially they want to put all their eggs in the wind power basket. Their own website stated that if the Wisconson legislature takes their recommendations that by 2025 Wisconson will have 25% of power from non greenhouse gas sources. That is great but their arguement against nuclear is they believe the first plant won't be online until 2016 but the difference according to them needs to be completed before 2020. Damn that is 5 years after they will only reach 25% in Wisconson only based on their own numbers.
Listen their is no individual who supports nuclear who says it is the magic bullet when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions however it is a very viable source to assist in the reduction of gas production and unlike the other renewable sources is actually a baseload power supplier. I wish these knuckle heads would just wake up and smell the coffee.
BDV

Decatur, GA

#4 Nov 24, 2009
Actually I agree:

Nuclear power won't solve Global Warming.

Nuclear power could solve many things resulting from lack of energy but not this one. Because global warming doesn't exist. So there is no way on Earth NP could solve a non-existing problem.
Radio

Hartford, CT

#5 Aug 11, 2010
Nuclear Power won't solve Global Warming. But it will have increase effect on the greenhouse gas emissions. Paticulary the Water vapour it is the most dominant greenhouse gas. NASA
SATELLITE FINDS WARMING "RELATIVE" TO
HUMIDITY
Since water vapor is the most important heat-trapping greenhouse gas in our atmosphere.
Ken Minschwaner, a physicist at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, Socorro, N.M., and Andrew Dessler, a researcher with the University of Maryland, College Park, and NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, did the study. It is in the March 15 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate. The researchers used data on water vapor in the upper troposphere (10-14 km or 6-9 miles altitude) from NASA's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS).

Their work verified water vapor is increasing in the atmosphere as the surface warms.
koz

Shippingport, PA

#6 Aug 11, 2010
Radio wrote:
Nuclear Power won't solve Global Warming. But it will have increase effect on the greenhouse gas emissions. Paticulary the Water vapour it is the most dominant greenhouse gas. NASA
SATELLITE FINDS WARMING "RELATIVE" TO
HUMIDITY
Since water vapor is the most important heat-trapping greenhouse gas in our atmosphere.
Ken Minschwaner, a physicist at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, Socorro, N.M., and Andrew Dessler, a researcher with the University of Maryland, College Park, and NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, did the study. It is in the March 15 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate. The researchers used data on water vapor in the upper troposphere (10-14 km or 6-9 miles altitude) from NASA's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS).
Their work verified water vapor is increasing in the atmosphere as the surface warms.
The increase in water vapor is a function of surface warming, it is not a function of the vapor that is released from thermal power stations, hot tubs, air-conditioning cooling towers, animal breath or "swamp coolers" on residential buildings. Do you even know where the "upper troposphere" is?
Radio

Hartford, CT

#7 Aug 11, 2010
Do you know what evapotranspiration is? The transpiration aspect of evapotranspiration is essentially evaporation of water from plant leaves. Studies have revealed that transpiration accounts for about 10 percent of the the moisture in the atmosphere, and a tiny amount coming from sublimation (ice changing into water vapor without first becoming liquid). Where does the other 90 percent come from allegedly released from thermal power stations?
koz

Broadview Heights, OH

#8 Aug 12, 2010
Radio wrote:
Do you know what evapotranspiration is? The transpiration aspect of evapotranspiration is essentially evaporation of water from plant leaves. Studies have revealed that transpiration accounts for about 10 percent of the the moisture in the atmosphere, and a tiny amount coming from sublimation (ice changing into water vapor without first becoming liquid). Where does the other 90 percent come from allegedly released from thermal power stations?
No. Thermal power stations make clouds, then the water vapor later falls as rain. Do you really think that there is no evaporation from the millions of square kilometers of natural water surfaces; such as ponds, wetlands, lakes, creeks, rivers and oceans? After it rains, where do you think the water from the puddles goes? At the base of Niagra Falls a tourist boat called the "Maid of the Mist" operates. Where do you think that name came from? You must work hard to maintain your ignorance.
Radio

Hartford, CT

#9 Aug 12, 2010
koz wrote:
<quoted text> No. Thermal power stations make clouds, You must work hard to maintain your ignorance.
I paid good money to get to the way I am, some people it comes natural. lol
tjostemj

Fergus Falls, MN

#10 Aug 12, 2010
The evaporation/precipitation cycle is the largest naturally occurring process, from an energy point of view, on earth. Photosynthesis, which uses only about 0.25% of the sun's incident energy is in second place. Evapotranspiration helps plants to get water up to the leaves. It is a mechanism by which soil moisture passes through plants on the way to becoming atmospheric water vapor. Stomates in leaves are pores that regulate the size of their openings so as to take in carbon dioxide needed for photosynthesis and also minimize the loss of water vapor. The role of water use and evaporation by power stations is trivial when compared to natural cycles. Where nuclear power can make a major contribution is in desalination to make potable water available to mass of people.
Radio

Hartford, CT

#11 Aug 17, 2010
Thermal power stations make WARM clouds!
Millions of square kilometers of natural water surfaces; such as ponds, wetlands, lakes, creeks, rivers and oceans make COLD clouds!
Clouds are formed as air parcels are forced to rise, cool and condense.
In warm clouds, growth by condensation slows as the droplet radius increases. There must be another means for warm clouds to produce precipitation. Warm cloud droplets grow and form precipitation by the collision-coalescence process. In cold clouds, precipitation forms by deposition, riming, and aggregation. " NASA
SATELLITE FINDS WARMING "RELATIVE" TO
HUMIDITY
Since water vapor is the most important heat-trapping greenhouse gas in our atmosphere."
koz

Shippingport, PA

#12 Aug 17, 2010
Radio wrote:
There must be another means for warm clouds to produce precipitation.
Yes, it is called "cold air". I have felt water droplets from thermal power station clouds in the parking lot of the plants.
Radio

Hartford, CT

#13 Aug 19, 2010
koz wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, it is called "cold air". I have felt water droplets from thermal power station clouds in the parking lot of the plants.
On the global scale, Venusís climate is strongly driven by the most powerful greenhouse effect found in the Solar System. The greenhouse agents sustaining it are water vapour, carbon dioxide and sulphuric acid aerosols.
BDV

Decatur, GA

#14 Aug 20, 2010
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Yes the Venus greenhouse is driven by sulphuric acid clouds, the Earth greenhouse by water clouds, and the Mars greenhouse by Carbon Dioxide clouds.
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The Sun's thermal flux is what allows each one to function. Simple as that.
Radio

Hartford, CT

#15 Aug 21, 2010
BDV wrote:
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Yes the Venus greenhouse is driven by sulphuric acid clouds, the Earth greenhouse by water clouds, and the Mars greenhouse by Carbon Dioxide clouds.
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The Sun's thermal flux is what allows each one to function. Simple as that.
The temperature and pressure on the surface of Venus are so extreme that none of the armored Russian spacecraft of the Venera series lasted more than an hour on the surface. Within that short period, they and the multiprobe of the Magellan mission have provided us with all the direct data we have about the harsh Venusian surface. Being closer to the Sun and having the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the atmosphere continued to heat, perhaps with enhanced trapping of heat due to water vapor. With sufficiently high temperatures, the water vapor could rise high enough in the atmosphere for the water molecules to be broken up by ultraviolet radiation from the Sun. The freed hydrogen could then escape from the atmosphere, leaving the oxygen only in the form of carbon and sulfur oxides.
BDV

Decatur, GA

#16 Aug 23, 2010
No, it's the sulphuric acid.
Radio

Hartford, CT

#17 Aug 23, 2010
BDV wrote:
No, it's the sulphuric acid.
Are we supposed to believe you, what evidence do you offer?
BDV

Decatur, GA

#18 Aug 23, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfuric_acid#Ve...

"In the upper, cooler portions of Venus's atmosphere, sulfuric acid exists as a liquid, and thick sulfuric acid clouds completely obscure the planet's surface when viewed from above. The main cloud layer extends from 45Ė70 km above the planet's surface, with thinner hazes extending as low as 30 km and as high as 90 km above the surface."
Radio

Hartford, CT

#19 Aug 24, 2010
BDV wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfuric_acid#Ve...
"In the upper, cooler portions of Venus's atmosphere, sulfuric acid exists as a liquid, and thick sulfuric acid clouds completely obscure the planet's surface when viewed from above. The main cloud layer extends from 45Ė70 km above the planet's surface, with thinner hazes extending as low as 30 km and as high as 90 km above the surface."
Maybe hearing from the Great Wiki Godís own mouth that Wikipedia and blogs should not be taken on faith, and are not considered reliable sources, will bring them out of Digital Barbarism and into the Enlightenment.

So below, brothers and sisters in Reason, are chapter and verse from the Wikipedia Scriptures themselves, warning the faithful not to rely on Wikipedia, blogs, other wikis, forums, self-published books, or textbooks for research. I'll ask again what test prove it?
BDV

Decatur, GA

#20 Aug 24, 2010
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