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aiki_mcr

Modesto, CA

#41 May 28, 2006
FLIRTING WITH FASCISM wrote:
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Wow, that was some hard hitting truth you just spoke.
Yes, it was. But the people who most need to hear it won't.

This particular discussion consists of two diametrically opposed factions:

1) Bush apologists.

2) Bush persecutors.

Neither side is much interested in what the other side has to say.

On the whole, I'm not surprised.

The pro-Bush people have their minds made up and are not concerned about facts like illegal wire-tapping, acquisition of phone records or records of internet searches.

They label anyone who *is* concerned about those things liberal intelligentsia.

One guaranteed way to wind up dead or in prison under Chairman Mao was to be labeled "intelligentsia". Pol Pot just shot anyone he thought was intelligentsia without even a trial. A little digging will find other regimes taking the same attitude.

You'll forgive me if calling me "intelligentsia" does nothing to bolster your credibility with me.
Wellington

Philadelphia, PA

#42 May 28, 2006
Comparisons between the Bush Administration and Nazi Germany is kook stuff. Phone records are business records and are not protected as something private. The 1979 Supreme Court case of Smith v. Maryland is quite instructive (and definitive) here. Abraham Lincoln exercised far more authoritarian powers during the Civil War than Bush has and even FDR and Wilson engaged in executive actions that were more draconian than anything Bush has done Hell, Clinton's Echelon program was more intrusive than what has occurred in the last few years. Aldrich Ames' home, let alone his phone records, was searched without a warrant. These things are within the prerogative of the Executive branch when national security matters are at stake. If you want a large majority of Americans to ignore what you're saying, just keep lumping President Bush with Hitler. We're at war, not that many on the Left realize this, which, by the way, is one of the things Islamic terrorists are counting on, convinced, as Osama bin Laden himself has maintained, that we do not have the stomach to fight him and his ilk. The allusions to Nazism only help the Islamic terrorists' cause. Learn the law, learn history, learn the Constitution and realize we are in a war with an inveterate enemy that has as its design the conversion of the entire world to Islam, violently if necessary. I'm glad Bush is doing what he has done and do not think my civil liberties have been compromised in any meaningful way. Hey, have any of yours? And, if so, how? I also give him credit for keeping us safe here at home for almost five years now. That's not just dumb luck, you know. That's all for now. But, if you wish, keep up the Nazi comparison crap. It's good for laughs and partial evidence that some people are determined to think of themselves as victims no matter what.
King George

Gdansk, Poland

#43 May 29, 2006
The list of laws broken by Bush is surprisingly long, including domestic law
constitutional laws, international laws and international conventions. Whether you like the leader or not, leaders who break national laws are by definition criminals in their own country, leaders responsible for launching invasions based on big lies(even if they later shrug it off as a mistake)in violation of international laws and conventions, are by definition war criminals.

Facts are facts, I got respect for conservatives, up to the point where they avoid the facts regarding a systematic cirminal/war-criminal leader who destroys our constitution and so many lives. Yep, Iraq is free, you are a free Iraqi now if you are dead, because if you are alive there it is a hell Bush made it into. Dump the bum, or better send him to Guantanomo and let him taste his own medicine.
BrainSmashR

United States

#44 May 29, 2006
Or better yet. Ignore the opinions of politically stupid foreigners.

Stick with democracy and cast your vote for the person you consider to be the best candidate for the job, and respect the outcome of the election even if your candidate loses.
aiki_mcr

Modesto, CA

#45 May 29, 2006
'Course there's the little detail that he's right.

But I here Oceania is a beautiful place. No crime. No criminals.

Nah, but it could never happen here.

http://www.truthout.org
http://www.moveon.org
aiki_mcr

Modesto, CA

#46 May 29, 2006
metoo

Salisbury, MD

#47 May 29, 2006
go to bed
Wellington

Philadelphia, PA

#48 May 29, 2006
King George wrote:
The list of laws broken by Bush is surprisingly long, including domestic law
constitutional laws, international laws and international conventions. Whether you like the leader or not, leaders who break national laws are by definition criminals in their own country, leaders responsible for launching invasions based on big lies(even if they later shrug it off as a mistake)in violation of international laws and conventions, are by definition war criminals.
Facts are facts, I got respect for conservatives, up to the point where they avoid the facts regarding a systematic cirminal/war-criminal leader who destroys our constitution and so many lives. Yep, Iraq is free, you are a free Iraqi now if you are dead, because if you are alive there it is a hell Bush made it into. Dump the bum, or better send him to Guantanomo and let him taste his own medicine.
The list of laws broken by Bush is long? Yeah, name some of them. And Bush didn't lie about WMDs. This is itself a lie. It's one of the great lies of our time. He went on the assumption, a quite reasonable one, that because Saddam Hussein had WMDs in the past, had used them and had not adequately explained what he had done with all of them (otherwise how would a 14-0 vote in the UN Security Council, Resolution 1441, have been obtained telling Hussein to come clean once and for all?), he needed to be held once and for all to account. Coupled with this was the fact, dear King George, that not a single major intellignece agency, not one, maintained that Hussein no longer had WMDs. In fact, no one can produce a single document which maintained that Saddam Hussein no longer possessed WMDs and that document was withheld by Bush to Congress and the world. Now, you have Saddam saying he no longer had these terrible weapons, but he was still acting as though he did (what about the 12,000 page phony report he put out in December of 2002 as an example?) And what should the leader of the world's super power do? Take the word of a brutal dictator? Follow the lead of cowardly and corrupt countries like France and Germany? Iraq presently has a chance (though not a guarantee----it seems it's only the Left who want guarantees about life, not realizing basic fundamental truths such as the fact that freedom isn't free) at liberty and prosperity. Saddam's death pits and torture chambers are gone. So are his psychopathic sons. Where were you , King Geroge, when Saddam was putting his nation's population in hell? Did you speak out? Now the Americans and their allies are trying to change the entire landscape of the great dysfunctional Middle East and because it's a very difficult job, and people have died, you pontificate about America's wrongs. Lilliputian is a word that comes to mind when I think about people like yourself. I have come to the conclusion that the anti-war crowd, speaking in the aggregate, is an idiot. This doesn't mean that Bush and his administration can't be criticized. Mistakes have been made. But mistakes have been made in virtually every war. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln made many in the wars they waged. But these two men were about as great as human beings can be. I'm sick and tired of George Bush's character being attacked daily by the ignorant and shallow. Some criticism of him is legitimate but most of it is off the wall and made by people like yourself who understand little and learn nothing.
spuds

United States

#49 May 29, 2006
Sick and tired aye? That accounts for 70% of us.....
BrainSmashR

United States

#50 May 30, 2006
aiki_mcr wrote:
'Course there's the little detail that he's right.
But I here Oceania is a beautiful place. No crime. No criminals.
Nah, but it could never happen here.
http://www.truthout.org
http://www.moveon.org
Laughing Out Loud

If you could tell the difference between the truth and a big steaming pile of crap, you wouldn't be referencing moveon.org

BTW, I hear there are these new fangled inventions called airplanes, and they will take you just about anywhere else on the planet you want to go, that assuming you really be[b]lie[/b]ve you'd be better off in a different country.

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