Lesbian cadet quits West Point, cites...

Lesbian cadet quits West Point, cites 'don't ask'

There are 46 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Aug 12, 2010, titled Lesbian cadet quits West Point, cites 'don't ask'. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

A lesbian cadet asked to resign from the U.S. Military Academy because she said she can no longer lie about her sexuality and was troubled by the anti-gay attitudes of some around her.

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“End the War on Arizona”

Since: Jan 08

El Paso, TX

#30 Aug 13, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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Same friggin' reason Blacks would have not bee conductive to the close quarters functional of the military....raw & rank illogical prejudice and hate.
There is not one single god reason for keeping the volunteers from serving their country if the are qualified. I'd be a hell of a lot more comfortable with some gays on board a ship, in a barracks, or in a foxhole than a bunch of red-neck racist ****.
Actually Roy, no one "kept" her from serving- she opted out. And when she decided she had to more highly value her libido than her oath of enlistment (or whatever they administer there), she disqualified herself.
curious cat

Watsonville, CA

#31 Aug 13, 2010
Rey wrote:
Gays have served in the military for many years and served honorably.
The difference today is people feel a need to flaunt their sexuality, yes, that includes Heteros.
Do I really care who you sleep with, just shut up and do your job.
you got it all wrong.

"Underneath this policy lies a military institution that is unwilling to protect the basic human and civil rights of its members". homophobia is in the military culture:

http://www.cyberspacei.com/jesusi/focus/co/co...

"The murder of a gay soldier has brought to light a disturbing pattern of harassment and poor leadership. Is the military serious about stopping hate crime?

AT A GLANCE: Facts about Military Homophobia

Anti-gay harassment has been on the rise.

Service members who harass or improperly investigate gay service members are rarely held accountable.

The military has never committed its resources to creating an atmosphere free of homophobia.

"Don't Ask; Don't Tell" has created new dangers for lesbian and gay service members.

July 4th marked the first anniversary of the violent death of Pfc. Barry Winchell at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Winchell, a young gay soldier and a member of the Army’s 101st Airborne Division (the "Screaming Eagles"), was bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat by two fellow soldiers as he slept. So severe was the beating – Winchell’s head was swollen and his eyes were completely black – that his corpse was almost unrecognizable to his mother. Two soldiers were later convicted of crimes related to his murder.

This anniversary has been marked by another troubling event: the release of an Army Inspector General’s report which largely exonerates military leadership in its handling of homophobia at Fort Campbell.

This case, perhaps more than any other single incident, has brought new attention to the mistreatment of gay and lesbian service members (and to others who are alleged to be gay) in today’s military. Most of that attention has focused on the policy known as "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell." Among the questions being asked are these: Is this situation an aberration? Is the military’s policy itself flawed or is it simply not being implemented?

There can be little doubt that "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell," which has been in effect for six years, has had disastrous consequences for the lives of many service members. Yet the problems didn’t start and don’t end there. "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell" has created new uncertainties and risks for service members compared to the preexisting ban. Underneath this policy lies a military institution that s unwilling to protect the basic human and civil rights of its members."

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#32 Aug 13, 2010
Bikerknight wrote:
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Actually Roy, no one "kept" her from serving- she opted out. And when she decided she had to more highly value her libido than her oath of enlistment (or whatever they administer there), she disqualified herself.
The Cadets Oath of Honor "A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do" would not allow her to serve. By hiding her sexuality she was living a lie.

It's a sham the Army's bigoted polices deprived the country of he service.

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Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#33 Aug 13, 2010
curious cat wrote:
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you got it all wrong.
"Underneath this policy lies a military institution that is unwilling to protect the basic human and civil rights of its members". homophobia is in the military culture:
http://www.cyberspacei.com/jesusi/focus/co/co...
"The murder of a gay soldier has brought to light a disturbing pattern of harassment and poor leadership. Is the military serious about stopping hate crime?
AT A GLANCE: Facts about Military Homophobia
Anti-gay harassment has been on the rise.
Service members who harass or improperly investigate gay service members are rarely held accountable.
The military has never committed its resources to creating an atmosphere free of homophobia.
"Don't Ask; Don't Tell" has created new dangers for lesbian and gay service members.
July 4th marked the first anniversary of the violent death of Pfc. Barry Winchell at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Winchell, a young gay soldier and a member of the Army’s 101st Airborne Division (the "Screaming Eagles"), was bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat by two fellow soldiers as he slept. So severe was the beating – Winchell’s head was swollen and his eyes were completely black – that his corpse was almost unrecognizable to his mother. Two soldiers were later convicted of crimes related to his murder.
This anniversary has been marked by another troubling event: the release of an Army Inspector General’s report which largely exonerates military leadership in its handling of homophobia at Fort Campbell.
This case, perhaps more than any other single incident, has brought new attention to the mistreatment of gay and lesbian service members (and to others who are alleged to be gay) in today’s military. Most of that attention has focused on the policy known as "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell." Among the questions being asked are these: Is this situation an aberration? Is the military’s policy itself flawed or is it simply not being implemented?
There can be little doubt that "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell," which has been in effect for six years, has had disastrous consequences for the lives of many service members. Yet the problems didn’t start and don’t end there. "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell" has created new uncertainties and risks for service members compared to the preexisting ban. Underneath this policy lies a military institution that s unwilling to protect the basic human and civil rights of its members."
Excellent article. thanks for posting it. just waiting for the bigots and homophobes deny the facts or to blame th victims.

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Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#34 Aug 13, 2010
curious cat wrote:
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you got it all wrong.
"Underneath this policy lies a military institution that is unwilling to protect the basic human and civil rights of its members". homophobia is in the military culture:
http://www.cyberspacei.com/jesusi/focus/co/co...
"The murder of a gay soldier has brought to light a disturbing pattern of harassment and poor leadership. Is the military serious about stopping hate crime?
AT A GLANCE: Facts about Military Homophobia
Anti-gay harassment has been on the rise.
Service members who harass or improperly investigate gay service members are rarely held accountable.
The military has never committed its resources to creating an atmosphere free of homophobia.
"Don't Ask; Don't Tell" has created new dangers for lesbian and gay service members.
July 4th marked the first anniversary of the violent death of Pfc. Barry Winchell at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Winchell, a young gay soldier and a member of the Army’s 101st Airborne Division (the "Screaming Eagles"), was bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat by two fellow soldiers as he slept. So severe was the beating – Winchell’s head was swollen and his eyes were completely black – that his corpse was almost unrecognizable to his mother. Two soldiers were later convicted of crimes related to his murder.
This anniversary has been marked by another troubling event: the release of an Army Inspector General’s report which largely exonerates military leadership in its handling of homophobia at Fort Campbell.
This case, perhaps more than any other single incident, has brought new attention to the mistreatment of gay and lesbian service members (and to others who are alleged to be gay) in today’s military. Most of that attention has focused on the policy known as "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell." Among the questions being asked are these: Is this situation an aberration? Is the military’s policy itself flawed or is it simply not being implemented?
There can be little doubt that "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell," which has been in effect for six years, has had disastrous consequences for the lives of many service members. Yet the problems didn’t start and don’t end there. "Don’t Ask; Don’t Tell" has created new uncertainties and risks for service members compared to the preexisting ban. Underneath this policy lies a military institution that s unwilling to protect the basic human and civil rights of its members."
I remember the murder of Pfc. Barry Winchell. One of the things that precipitated this vicious murder was that he had gotten into a fistfight with another servicemember. The fight took place in front of most, if not all, of his platoon, and Pfc. Winchell whupped the guy decisively. Unable to beat Pfc. Winchell, in a fair fight, he crept up on him in the middle of the night, while Pfc. Winchell was asleep, and murdered him.
Section 8 LGBT people

Watsonville, CA

#39 Aug 13, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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I remember the murder of Pfc. Barry Winchell. One of the things that precipitated this vicious murder was that he had gotten into a fistfight with another servicemember. The fight took place in front of most, if not all, of his platoon, and Pfc. Winchell whupped the guy decisively. Unable to beat Pfc. Winchell, in a fair fight, he crept up on him in the middle of the night, while Pfc. Winchell was asleep, and murdered him.
cowardly haters always attack in gangs when someone is vulnerable. that's their MO. from racist bigots to LGBT bigots. all the same.

“End the War on Arizona”

Since: Jan 08

El Paso, TX

#40 Aug 17, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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The Cadets Oath of Honor "A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do" would not allow her to serve. By hiding her sexuality she was living a lie.
It's a sham the Army's bigoted polices deprived the country of he service.
You are wrong. The honor code does not extend to voluntary self-incrimination. Which is what she did. Nor did the DADT policy allow anyone in an official capacity to ask her a question that would require her to incriminate herself. Your high-sounding "living a lie" comment sounds impressive, but does not apply.

And by the way, DADT was the policy in place before she ever sought or received her appointment to the Academy. This is a self-serving career suicide, not a crucifixion.
Buzz

Emeryville, CA

#41 Aug 17, 2010
Bikerknight wrote:
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You are wrong. The honor code does not extend to voluntary self-incrimination. Which is what she did. Nor did the DADT policy allow anyone in an official capacity to ask her a question that would require her to incriminate herself. Your high-sounding "living a lie" comment sounds impressive, but does not apply.
And by the way, DADT was the policy in place before she ever sought or received her appointment to the Academy. This is a self-serving career suicide, not a crucifixion.
Replying to PlacitasRoy or CuriousScat is a waste of time. They haven't one original thought between them.

Trying to reason with either is like wrestling with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it!

“End the War on Arizona”

Since: Jan 08

El Paso, TX

#43 Aug 19, 2010
Section 8 LGBT people wrote:
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cowardly haters always attack in gangs when someone is vulnerable. that's their MO. from racist bigots to LGBT bigots. all the same.
We have common ground! I actually agree with you!
You LGBT people are bigots!
Finepix

Pflugerville, TX

#44 Aug 19, 2010
That dirty little pig couldn't cut it in a man's world and used being homosexual to quit.
curious cat

Watsonville, CA

#45 Aug 19, 2010
Finepix wrote:
That dirty little pig couldn't cut it in a man's world and used being homosexual to quit.
could you make this into a legible English sentence. i would like to understand it.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#47 Aug 19, 2010
Bikerknight wrote:
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You are wrong. The honor code does not extend to voluntary self-incrimination. Which is what she did. Nor did the DADT policy allow anyone in an official capacity to ask her a question that would require her to incriminate herself. Your high-sounding "living a lie" comment sounds impressive, but does not apply.
And by the way, DADT was the policy in place before she ever sought or received her appointment to the Academy. This is a self-serving career suicide, not a crucifixion.
If you read her quotes or listen to her interiors, she states she was having to LIE to cover her sexual orientation.

When she accepted the appointment it would have been realistic to assume she thought the homophobic POS law would be overturned.

It is a damn shame the country lost out on this young lady's service.
Section 8 LGBT people

Watsonville, CA

#49 Aug 19, 2010
Bikerknight wrote:
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We have common ground! I actually agree with you!
You LGBT people are bigots!
homophobic bigots assume everyone who supports LGBT rights is LGBT themselves. i am not LGBT, although i have been threatened and harassed by LGBT haters -- at the Mission Gardens Apartments in Santa Cruz, California -- who perceive me to be LGBT.
YourDaughtersBan ger

United States

#50 Aug 20, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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If you read her quotes or listen to her interiors, she states she was having to LIE to cover her sexual orientation.
When she accepted the appointment it would have been realistic to assume she thought the homophobic POS law would be overturned.
It is a damn shame the country lost out on this young lady's service.
Didn't miss out in much, women don't really do anything in the military, aside from giving up the clam and crying sexism.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#51 Aug 20, 2010
Section 8 LGBT people wrote:
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homophobic bigots assume everyone who supports LGBT rights is LGBT themselves. i am not LGBT, although i have been threatened and harassed by LGBT haters -- at the Mission Gardens Apartments in Santa Cruz, California -- who perceive me to be LGBT.
Absolutely true. Probably their latent projection.

As my wife of 43 years says - I'm straight, but damn sure not narrow.

“End the War on Arizona”

Since: Jan 08

El Paso, TX

#52 Aug 20, 2010
Section 8 LGBT people wrote:
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homophobic bigots assume everyone who supports LGBT rights is LGBT themselves. i am not LGBT, although i have been threatened and harassed by LGBT haters -- at the Mission Gardens Apartments in Santa Cruz, California -- who perceive me to be LGBT.
Why are you advertising your location? I certainly have no desire to arrange a date with you; or is that location supposed to mean something to the whole world outside Santa Cruz county?

“End the War on Arizona”

Since: Jan 08

El Paso, TX

#53 Aug 20, 2010
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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If you read her quotes or listen to her interiors, she states she was having to LIE to cover her sexual orientation.
When she accepted the appointment it would have been realistic to assume she thought the homophobic POS law would be overturned.
It is a damn shame the country lost out on this young lady's service.
When she accepted the appointment, the law of the land, the UCMJ, and the DADT policy were all quite clear. So we are back to her lying, of her own accord, to get soemthing she wanted. If she knew she could not discharge her responsibilities as an officer under the current policy and law, then she just plain lied to get in.
Rey

AOL

#54 Aug 20, 2010
Buzz, you got it wrong.

As tragic as his death was, murder of a Gay or a Hetero is not the norm in the military. I served with Gays, men and women, but again they were discreet enough, no one paid attention to them.

As I have already stated, the problems today arise from the lack of discreetness and the obession of today's generation to flaunt their sexuality. Look at how many people, using Facebook, have ruined their careers ands personal lives.

What you do on your time is YOUR business, I am only concerned with whether you CAN do the job and not be disruptive.

Since: Jul 08

United States

#55 Aug 20, 2010
West Point will not be affected by her choice to opt out. She has revealed her true motives for accepting the appointment.
Soquel Local

Hollister, CA

#56 Aug 20, 2010
Too bad she took a spot from some other candidate knowing what the rules were going in. Selfish, just plain selfish.

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