Warning others to not get suckered into FHTM pyramid scheme!

[alf]

i find this company to be misleading. They talk about all these great companies but they dont tell you that the Canadian arm is still too young to make money. Where are the partners for gas, hydro, internet, cell etc ?

They keep stressing why not pay the bills and receive a commission. I guess there are a lot of dumb people

[alf]

to Netsurfer

you may be smart and educated....but the bigger question----are you wise ?

[Netsurfer]

To Alien Life Form; depends on your definition of Wise. As a wise man once said:

"When the mind is thinking it is talking to itself."

I like to ponder over things; if this makes me a wise man then so be it, one thing I do know for sure is that I am not a foolish man.

[Plain and Simple]

Show me your check! I don't want your words or opinion. I want to see your check(s).

[Uni Student]

the fact that FHTM requires a substantially LARGE sign up fee and for you to pay monthly for their "tools" to manage your "business" (i love it how they call it your business) makes it obvious what this company is all about.

Recruitment.

It's such a typical pyramid i can't believe there is even debate about this.
Sure, if you're lucky enough to be at the top and you screw your friends and family into joining you'll make some not so honest money. I guess it's honest money but its at the disadvantage of others.

I was just at a "meeting" my, i thought, friend brought me to and I had to try very hard to be respectful and not laugh out loud during the presentation.

I don't even know why im saying anything anymore.
$400 sign up fee + you have to buy our services monthly = scamtastic.

[Chris]

To anyone & everyone that has seen new reps first hand:

Did you get the impression the biggest decision the newbie is trying to make is what color pick-up to buy? They will have to have a new pick-up to pull their new ski boat to the lake. The same lake that joins the new vacation house they are going to buy, and pay for it in cash.

Ok, this may sound a little absurd, but don't you get the impression that they have (in their mind) already 'spent' that big money that's talked about in the meetings?

This should be a BIG RED FLAG to anyone. If you are approaching a business decision from this point of view, you are going off emotions more than reality. Making a business decision based on emotions is not a good thing to do with any business. And you definitely don't want to do that with this one.

[J_James]

truthexposer wrote:

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These negative people here are all just failures because they weren't trainable, or they didn't have what it takes to make this business work; heck they can't even take responsibility for their own failure.

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You either get it or you don't. If it takes this much to convince you then you obviously don't have what it takes either, which is strong desire, strong will, hard work and effort, and belief in yourself and what you're doing. These people here were most likely afraid of rejection or they didn't know how to be themselves when approaching people. They are losers in this business because they don't have the skills and knowledge that it takes, period. And because they failed miserably they have to make sure that no one else gets a chance at it either. If you're going to look at all the negative things then you'll attract the negative. I can almost guarantee that they failed because they didn't have the inner confidence in themselves. They were going to TRY to do it rather than just DO it. It's either DO or DO NOT, there is no try.
This is going to be my last post because frankly, if it takes this much to convince you then you obviously can't see the potential and we're just wasting our time here. Like I said, you either see it or you don't; you either believe in yourself or you don't. YOU make your life happen, not everyone else. Good luck! I'm off to make mine and will not be wasting any more time debating with these losers here.

This is freaking hilarious and just more FHTM recruitment NONSENSE.

If it doesn't work for you, you're a slacker/too stupid/not a hard worker.

If I'm negative about FHTM, I'm a Failure!!

C'mon.. sing me another rousing rendition of "I got that FHTM spirit down in my heart!"

Once again, I'll put up the challenge.

PROVE IT TO ME. I love all the "Mother of 3's making thousands of dollars" and "one person who retired from their job because they were making so much money" yet...yet...no names. No Proof.

PROVE IT TO ME and I will join your downline or whatever.

Again, I am NOT a failure. I work maybe 4 hours a day make a six-figure income, employ a minimum of 6 people at any time AND I'M NOT WANTING YOU TO JOIN ME!!!! I don't want the competition. Moreover, my employees DON'T PAY ME TO WORK!!! I PAY THEM FOR THEIR WORK!!!

Oh, but I'm a failure. That's right.

Gee, I hope some day I get successful like that FHTM'er...uh...whatshisname. Or that other one who, you know, quit his job. And maybe that mother of six who will be dining with the Queen of England and having tea and crumpets with the King of Never-Neverland. Their names escape me, somehow...but I swear they're real!

Swear! I promise.

[Netsurfer]

Oh Nathan come out come out where ever you are. What I want to know is where are all the big mouth Bass, oops, I mean where are all the big mouth FHTM REP cult members and all their big money. seems that they come in here and talk tough and make big claims and then disappear. Whats up with that

[dave]

Kerin Gayner wrote:

<quoted text>I attended a meeting tonight in Kalispell, MT. and was told by the speaker not to expect residual income significant from products for at least 3 years. Clearly FHTM is selling downloaded memberships.

Whats a downloaded membership?????

[Janice]

99.9% of the reps involved in FHTM build their business on lies and misrepresentation. Many of the FHTM reps that have come on here to try and make FHTM something that we all know it’s not, have been shown to lie. FHTM is truly a unique pyramid scheme, making money from recruiting, nothing more. If you ever wonder why the top pyramid scammers can’t retire from the business, well it’s because the business is built around enrollment fees. The heck with useless products they offer, they are lured into the devils den of money.

It’s just awful how Madoff schemes like FHTM are able to still operate. Not enough people are making their complaints to the Attorney General.

FHTM = 21st Century Pyramid Scheme

[LOL mlm fanboys]

Is MLM a scam? No. It can make you money. However, it has some major flaws.
1. You are a private contractor. 1099. You pay fees every month, AND pay extra tax. Look it up. Call the IRS. Why pay more when you don't have to?
2. Everything you can do on these MLM programs, can be done for free. They require you to sell a good or service, through a very unprofessional and poor performing web portal,(your website they give you.) You could do the SAME thing with Amazon, sign up for FREE to become an affiliate, embed product links in your blogs, and retain ALL the commissions on the sales, as well as not pay monthly fees. Amazong also sells all of the products you could buy from most of the MLM providers anyway, and it's more legitimate looking, and doesn't add any roadblocks in the e-commerce journey.
Which brings up another point. If half of you pro MLM people used your brain, you'd figure out that you're essentially becoming a broker for services, but given no recourse or control over customer satisfaction, meaning that you have no plan for retention.
RED FLAG: No retention = no continuing profit. This exposes the true nature of these schemes, because they are mostly reliant on new reps signing up beneath you, NOT selling these services. Sure, you can sell them, but that's not where you make the money. The selling of goods and services is a beard to entice a potential rep to sign on, thinking they can sell based on commission, only to later realize the money is made in networking and signing new reps.
The other great thing is that reps claim that your typical job is just as much of a pyramid as their MLM scheme. This is flawed, because while any corporate structure is a pyramid (our government are too, in some ways) the variation of performance awards is completely different. In the private sector, a CEO negotiates and signs a predetermined salary, based on their track record, or predicted value. The commissions of the sales people below them, however, do NOT go to the CEO. If he has a team of well performing individuals, a sales manager is essentially the head of the pyramid.
This is a significant different between MLM, because while there is room for growth and expansion within a typical commission sales job, where you could theoretically surpass your management with income, and climb to a higher position, in MLM, it's a mask. You don't actually gain any more authority, they are essentially portraying that you are a part of their team, when in reality, you are forming your own pyramids below a section of their pyramid, and there is no escape. You can never surpass the individuals who are above you in MLM schemes.
Comparing business infrastructures is one thing, but MLM pyramids are nothing like your pyramids at work.
And lastly, they prove it themselves. The reason why celebrities, former politicians, and other higher ranking members of society have success at MLM, is because their profession has been networking and influence. If you possess these same abilities, and you have a large network of people you can directly influence to take action, you can make a LOT of money in these systems. If, however, you are like most people, and have a normal network and normal sales skills (or you feel uncomfortable about exaggerating to your friends and family) you will "fail" within the MLM schemes, and be called lazy by heartless reps who are feeding the system with their checks.
It's so pathetic, really. In the end, of course these work, so does selling cocaine, or flipping houses, or hedging the stock market...but look what eventually happens. If you don't do it 100% right, you will lose, lose big, and potentially ruin your life. So don't pour your money into schemes that try to tell you they can help you. Everything you get from these MLM programs you can do yourself, and you'll even educate yourself along the way, which is way more beneficial.

[Have Hope]

Hi,
I just read about FHTM.
I was interested. But I don't like the $200. up front and the monthly fees. I do like the .....
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I see very little difference in the 2 companies. Except blastoff is free, more corporations to shop with and there is no monthly fee.
Check it out, I hope you like what you see.
Good Luck,

My.Blastoffnetwork.com/TimetoShop

[BWilson]

My sister is involved in FHTM and even she can't explain it in a way that would make anyone want to participate. What do you even sell other than memberships? I would rather have a real job with a purpose, thank you. Wasting my time in extremely boring get-rich-quick meetings doesn't interest me in the slightest. Plus, fast money is never worth it. My husband is a soldier and I am a teacher and we both have chances to make a real difference with our jobs, and money is the least of our concerns in this life.

[John Dix]

Got invited to a FHTM event by a "friend" and thought I would check it out before committing. Real eye opener if you do your homework.
This is a classic pyramid scam made legal by the access to products which are not owned by FHTM and can be purchased for less by the general public and those at the top of this alleged company know that. Prey on the weak and desperate. They should be put in jail.

Hopefully FHTM will not be around for long.

[FHTM Regional]

BBB attorney wrote:

<quoted text>
Wow Sarah, glad to see you've made so much money
with FHTM you can afford a fax. I have personally
worked against FHTM on behalf of Arkansas BBB.
Will their legal dept tell you what happened there?
Of course not they settled out of court with a gag
order mandatory to prevent legions of fools like
yourself googling their defeat. Instead of some other posters full name why don't you show us your tax return with all your fhtm money, OR ARE YOU STILL ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PYRAMID ?
First Hand Total Monopoly - Remember this acronym

Your a poor dumb ass! lol. You just hold people back and your family around you from making all this fortune money, how sad :: Good Job! Go work for PrePaid Legal! Bafoon.

[Netsurfer]

Fhtm Regional Not sure who's the dumb ass, but I do know one thing if FHTM is so great it shouldn't matter what us Dumb Ass, poser want to be's, losers, agnostic, broke ass people think about it and why should you care unless FHTM is such a SH*T Hole of a company that it bothers you to have been scammed

[Moral Values]

LOL mlm fanboys wrote:

Is MLM a scam? No. It can make you money. However, it has some major flaws.
1. You are a private contractor. 1099. You pay fees every month, AND pay extra tax. Look it up. Call the IRS. Why pay more when you don't have to?
2. Everything you can do on these MLM programs, can be done for free. They require you to sell a good or service, through a very unprofessional and poor performing web portal,(your website they give you.) You could do the SAME thing with Amazon, sign up for FREE to become an affiliate, embed product links in your blogs, and retain ALL the commissions on the sales, as well as not pay monthly fees. Amazong also sells all of the products you could buy from most of the MLM providers anyway, and it's more legitimate looking, and doesn't add any roadblocks in the e-commerce journey.
Which brings up another point. If half of you pro MLM people used your brain, you'd figure out that you're essentially becoming a broker for services, but given no recourse or control over customer satisfaction, meaning that you have no plan for retention.
RED FLAG: No retention = no continuing profit. This exposes the true nature of these schemes, because they are mostly reliant on new reps signing up beneath you, NOT selling these services. Sure, you can sell them, but that's not where you make the money. The selling of goods and services is a beard to entice a potential rep to sign on, thinking they can sell based on commission, only to later realize the money is made in networking and signing new reps.
The other great thing is that reps claim that your typical job is just as much of a pyramid as their MLM scheme. This is flawed, because while any corporate structure is a pyramid (our government are too, in some ways) the variation of performance awards is completely different. In the private sector, a CEO negotiates and signs a predetermined salary, based on their track record, or predicted value. The commissions of the sales people below them, however, do NOT go to the CEO. If he has a team of well performing individuals, a sales manager is essentially the head of the pyramid.
This is a significant different between MLM, because while there is room for growth and expansion within a typical commission sales job, where you could theoretically surpass your management with income, and climb to a higher position, in MLM, it's a mask. You don't actually gain any more authority, they are essentially portraying that you are a part of their team, when in reality, you are forming your own pyramids below a section of their pyramid, and there is no escape. You can never surpass the individuals who are above you in MLM schemes.
Comparing business infrastructures is one thing, but MLM pyramids are nothing like your pyramids at work.
And lastly, they prove it themselves. The reason why celebrities, former politicians, and other higher ranking members of society have success at MLM, is because their profession has been networking and influence. If you possess these same abilities, and you have a large network of people you can directly influence to take action, you can make a LOT of money in these systems. If, however, you are like most people, and have a normal network and normal sales skills (or you feel uncomfortable about exaggerating to your friends and family) you will "fail" within the MLM schemes, and be called lazy by heartless reps who are feeding the system with their checks.
It's so pathetic, really. In the end, of course these work, so does selling cocaine, or flipping houses, or hedging the stock market...but look what eventually happens. If you don't do it 100% right, you will lose, lose big, and potentially ruin your life. So don't pour your money into schemes that try to tell you they can help you. Everything you get from these MLM programs you can do yourself, and you'll even educate yourself along the way, which is way more beneficial.

Amen!

[J_James]

FHTM Regional wrote:

<quoted text>
Your a poor dumb ass! lol. You just hold people back and your family around you from making all this fortune money, how sad :: Good Job! Go work for PrePaid Legal! Bafoon.

OK, FHTM Regional:
Put up or shut up!
PROVE that you're making this money! Your title claims that you're an FHTM Regional Rep. You should be PROUD to put your name up here so more people can see how successful you are!
Your success would then push others, including myself, to join your downline.
SHOW ME THE MONEY!! PROVE to me that I can make so much more money than I am now (Six figures, less than 4 hours a day, 6 employees under me making in excess of $35,000 a year.. OH, and they didn't have to PAY me to work for me and no one breaks a sweat unless someone forgets to turn the airconditioner on).
Why hide your name? C'mon...SHOW ME THE MONEY!

[Kitten]

I just joined FHTM. My mother joined a week ago. She has already made her money back, and everything she makes from now on will be pure profit. Even if she doesn't make thousands of dollars every month, she will still have more money than she did before. What is so wrong with that? You don't only make money for joining other people, you make money off of using their partners' products and services. Its not like we are hurting anyone. And if you don't think your job is a pyramid, make a chart. put your boss at the top, his assistants beneath him, the people beneath them, etc. draw a straight line around either side and tell me what shape it is.

[Moral Values]

Kitten wrote:

I just joined FHTM. My mother joined a week ago. She has already made her money back, and everything she makes from now on will be pure profit. Even if she doesn't make thousands of dollars every month, she will still have more money than she did before. What is so wrong with that? You don't only make money for joining other people, you make money off of using their partners' products and services. Its not like we are hurting anyone. And if you don't think your job is a pyramid, make a chart. put your boss at the top, his assistants beneath him, the people beneath them, etc. draw a straight line around either side and tell me what shape it is.

Common Kitten, are you serious?

“And if you don't think your job is a pyramid, make a chart. put your boss at the top, his assistants beneath him, the people beneath them, etc.”

Are you not following along? You know how pathetic you just made your self out to be? Read the past couple of post. You sound like a broken record repeating the same old subliminal cult jargon that clearly shows your ignorance. Turn that broken record off! Learn about economics before spewing your MLM sales pitch. In a real job, you can make more than your boss, and you don’t have to pay to work.

Put fourth the same effort in working the FHTM scheme into a college education. In the end, it will cost the same, but the education and degree will last a lifetime, FHTM will not. The MLM industry itself has seen a 97% failure rate amoung reps, which is almost a 100% dropout. Are people so gullible to risk their future on pyramid schemes? Your odds are better in Vegas if your money hungry!

The “make a chart” scenario is just another method to trick the desperate and the wary to sign into the scheme.