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Branson, MO

#46 Apr 7, 2013
parent wrote:
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Your generalization of teachers is amusing. If your google results mean so much to you try googling "brave teacher" 50,600,000 results or "hero teacher" 87,400,000 results we could do this for ever but I don't think the number of google results proves anything.
You may think the teachers just lined up and they handed out weapons but I'm certain there was alot of consideration that went into who should and could carry a firearm.
As for "Guns will go off on accident" really, do you mean like all by itself setting in the safe or maybe someone playing with it practicing quickdraws or twirling it on their finger in class, you really think that's a good argument?
I get so sick of this "guns going off by accident" nonsense. They don't go off by themselves... the person holding the gun has to do something negligent in order for the gun to go off and hit them or someone else. Such as ignoring rule #1 of gun safety... never point the gun in the direction of others or yourself no matter what.
MO has allowed CCWs for several years now. How many accidental CCW incidents have there been? Oh yeah, NONE.
The FACTS

Ozark, MO

#47 Apr 7, 2013
sigh wrote:
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Couple of things. Teachers are known for making some really stupid decisions. Google "teacher assaults student", there are about 2,000,000 results. Google "teacher sex student", there are 93,000,000 results. Bottom line, teachers cannot be counted on to make good decisions. They are underpaid, under appreciated, and stressed out. Arm them...what a brilliant idea.
Guns will go off on accident. Maybe not at Fairview, but it does happen. Google "officer gun goes off in school" and educate yourself. I would NOT want my kids in a school with armed teachers.
We have created a nation of pussies? Hardly. We have over 12,000 gun murders a year. You should be proud how bad ass we are.
And it is spelled Vietnam, not Viet Nam. I would think someone who I assume is claiming to have spent time there would have a clue of how to spell it.
Teachers are known for bad decisions? And military members are not? Some of the worse areas to live are military bases or the area right around military bases in the US. "Military towns are among the country's most dangerous" according to Daily Finance.

And yes, you got me on the spelling. A true REMF Pogue would catch that. You had a lot of time to study spelling in the green zone - you should be proud.

Guns don't go off by accident. Simple fact. Guns go off by stupidity, lack of training, and emotional response. If they did go off by "accident" the level of training of the user, his/her emotional state, etc would have nothing to do with it being an "accident".

Yes, we are raising pussies, in a hand out society. The amount of gun murders have nothing to do with that - although it may have if you think about it, pussies are more apt to pick up a gun than to face their problems.

Number of gun homicides in the US? 12k is a bit high, and the numbers are going down. We still are not the worse country, 29th down that list in fact. Thats right, 28 countries out there with worse gun homicide rates than the US per capita.

Now go back under your bed, remember your days behind a desk handing out sanitary napkins in the green zone, and shut up. Adults are talking.

ARM THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES WITH PROPER CHECKS AND TRAINING
Viper

West Plains, MO

#48 Apr 8, 2013
Interesting, I identified "parent" and this person has ties with Shield Solutions......gee go figure
myth Buster

West Plains, MO

#49 Apr 8, 2013
So who is parent then?

And I have no ties to Shield. I happen to think Rob is depriving a village somewhere of their idiot. The Longs are nothing but GOOD people, and their training and experience is far and above what others in this area have.

Regardless,ARM THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES WITH PROPER CHECKS AND TRAINING

Judge

United States

#50 Apr 8, 2013
Sounds like sigh/seriously has been owned by Myth Buster.
parent

Sparta, MO

#51 Apr 8, 2013
Viper wrote:
Interesting, I identified "parent" and this person has ties with Shield Solutions......gee go figure
WOW! I guess I'm outed now. Of course I've never been in Shield Solutions don't have anything to do with the business and didn't even consider going there to get my CCW but in a town this size you get to know alot of people around town and I do know some of the people there, have not talked to them in years tho, but the ones I do know I couldn't think of a bad thing to say about, their good people.
Just kind of curious "Viper" who have I been identified as?
well duh

United States

#52 Apr 8, 2013
This is getting so old! All of this bit!tchin is not going to change one thing or one mind. Give it up people!
Dennis K

West Plains, MO

#53 Apr 9, 2013
I started this thread in an effort to start a productive discussion. That has failed. I should have known it could not happen. So please, everyone, let it go, The ranting, speculation, insults and competition are counter productive. If I could delete this entire thread I would.

Fairview has made a decision and be it right or wrong, it is done. Time will be the judge of the wisdom of their actions.
solutionObama

Ozark, MO

#54 Apr 10, 2013
Dennis K wrote:
I started this thread in an effort to start a productive discussion. That has failed. I should have known it could not happen. So please, everyone, let it go, The ranting, speculation, insults and competition are counter productive. If I could delete this entire thread I would.
Fairview has made a decision and be it right or wrong, it is done. Time will be the judge of the wisdom of their actions.
In the list of quotes of great presidents, can you see this one? "Let's make it a little harder for our kids to get gunned down." I mean, if we're gonna get gunned down, let's make it really hard to do.

Dennis's kind of guy...
Patriotic Peter

Ava, MO

#55 Apr 10, 2013
solutionObama wrote:
<quoted text>In the list of quotes of great presidents, can you see this one? "Let's make it a little harder for our kids to get gunned down." I mean, if we're gonna get gunned down, let's make it really hard to do.
Dennis's kind of guy...
SolutionObama is an oxymoron. At least the second one is a "moron".
Sigh

Omaha, NE

#56 Apr 13, 2013
parent wrote:
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Your generalization of teachers is amusing. If your google results mean so much to you try googling "brave teacher" 50,600,000 results or "hero teacher" 87,400,000 results we could do this for ever but I don't think the number of google results proves anything.
You may think the teachers just lined up and they handed out weapons but I'm certain there was alot of consideration that went into who should and could carry a firearm.
As for "Guns will go off on accident" really, do you mean like all by itself setting in the safe or maybe someone playing with it practicing quickdraws or twirling it on their finger in class, you really think that's a good argument?
Yeah...I mean a gun will go off sitting in a corner all by itself....no you moron. Do you understand what an accident is? Your parents surely do.
Now for an actual case, here is where an off-duty COP'S gun went off by accident. If you want to argue a distinction between incompetence and a gun sitting in a corner, then yes, incompetence is obviously more likely. The same type of incompetence that will occur when a teacher is carrying a gun, you know...someone with LESS training than a COP?
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2013/03/...

As far as teachers, obviously I am NOT talking about the "good" teachers, which are a majority. But are you telling me that every time a teacher assaults a student, the school had a suspicion the teacher might do it? If so, we have thousands of school systems that are negligent in the safety of the students...the same school systems that will make these wonderful decisions on who should carry a gun.
Sigh

Omaha, NE

#57 Apr 13, 2013
The FACTS wrote:
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Teachers are known for bad decisions? And military members are not? Some of the worse areas to live are military bases or the area right around military bases in the US. "Military towns are among the country's most dangerous" according to Daily Finance.
And yes, you got me on the spelling. A true REMF Pogue would catch that. You had a lot of time to study spelling in the green zone - you should be proud.
Guns don't go off by accident. Simple fact. Guns go off by stupidity, lack of training, and emotional response. If they did go off by "accident" the level of training of the user, his/her emotional state, etc would have nothing to do with it being an "accident".
Yes, we are raising pussies, in a hand out society. The amount of gun murders have nothing to do with that - although it may have if you think about it, pussies are more apt to pick up a gun than to face their problems.
Number of gun homicides in the US? 12k is a bit high, and the numbers are going down. We still are not the worse country, 29th down that list in fact. Thats right, 28 countries out there with worse gun homicide rates than the US per capita.
Now go back under your bed, remember your days behind a desk handing out sanitary napkins in the green zone, and shut up. Adults are talking.
ARM THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES WITH PROPER CHECKS AND TRAINING
1. Where the hell did I mention military members or military towns?
2. Why are so many of you hung up on the definition of an "accident". Since you are..here it is:
Definition of ACCIDENT
1
a : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance
b : lack of intention or necessity : chance <met by accident rather than by design>
2
a : an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance

So get your panties in a wad all you want, what you describe is an "Accident".

3. Gun death rates are trending down...the most obvious reason why is that gun ownership rates are declining. Yes, there are more guns out there than ever before, because more loons are stocking up to fight the "government tyranny" wet dream they .

4. You probably made a good soldier, god knows you sound like you still wish you were one. Hopefully your service was worthy of the sacrifice, not like the fuck up that was Iraq.
Sigh

Omaha, NE

#58 Apr 13, 2013
Dennis K wrote:
Fairview has made a decision and be it right or wrong, it is done. Time will be the judge of the wisdom of their actions.
The only way time can judge this is based on one of two unlikely scenarios happening:
1. A shooter enters the school and is stopped by an armed teacher.
2. A teacher accidentally (or intentionally) shoots a student.

If no shooting occurs, it doesn't prove anything, because there was a 99.999% likelihood that there is never going to be a school shooting at Fairview. This entire "arm the teachers" idea is just someone's wet dream.
Judge

Ozark, MO

#59 Apr 13, 2013
Sigh wrote:
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1. Where the hell did I mention military members or military towns?
You brought it up as how good military members would be protecting our schools, yet they live in the worse crime areas in the US.

Then you slammed teachers
Wow

Ava, MO

#60 Apr 20, 2013
If the comments in this thread from this community alone were used as gauge for whether or not to arm teachers in said community, I would have to voice a resounding NO vote in opposition.

Nothing more than a bunch of squabbling retards in here spouting off imaginary facts and stats. Go get a job!
GUN

Buffalo, NY

#61 Aug 18, 2014
Same old sad story about Crawley, he cant hack it in law enforcement. I'm glad to see the self promoting clown is gone. His problem was he didn't enforce the law properly, instead, enforced his own version of the law with self vendettas and giving out favors. He simply didn't have the experience or knowledge to run a clean operation instead he ran a corrupt police department.
Crawley is simply a dirty cop power seeker who put his own self interest first before the citizens. He is the type of person who will never take person responsibility for his actions but will point the finger at someone else. His career is filled with negative incidents in law enforcement the picture becomes very clear about the guy he's not qualified for any leadership position or a position in law enforcement.
He is the same anti government hack who complains about the government, yet, has made a crappy career out of government positions because of his self-importance me first attitude. Why doesn't he last long at any position he's held? He ran for county sheriff on a phony platform filled with lies and lost. He promised not to enforce laws involving gun issues because he allowed his own personal feelings to get in the way of his job he was hired to perform. He wasn't hired to enforce his own ideals about the law, he was hired to enforce the law regardless of his own personal views.
Crawley is an arrogant power tripping know it all with a sense of superiority, or entitlement. Someone should tell him he's out of the military and should put his solider act away and to know the difference between a police officer and military solider.
And now Crawley has the nerve to sue the city. For what? Because of his PTSD he can't control or because of his incompetence to do his job. A simple job in a sleepy little town that he tried to address it like it was a war zone.
Sure he was around when he first was hired and trying to win over the citizens,drinking coffee, but that quickly changed. Ever try to contact him at the office in person or on the phone? Always, hes out of the office, we're not sure if he will be back today, please try again tomorrow. Most of the time if Crawley was in Wenonah, he was involved with the usual night raids all dressed up in his military gear like he was a solider in the military.
Hell, he had enough militarized weapons in the back of that black SUV he sped around in to arm a small military platoon. Maybe, if he had actually done what his job title was instead of being a constantly absent chief of police, instead off doing his moonlighting job in another town or city scaring female school teachers into learning how to kill with a gun, he'd still be chief.
Winona made a mistake hiring a rogue cop ex military thug who had no prior experience leading a police force to be their police of chief and now are correcting that mistake by firing Crawley. Wenonah should have never let Crawley moonlight other jobs while police of chief; it was a huge conflict of interest and interfered with his job performance.
Crawley was left standing alone once his fraudulent act became clear. Compare the radio interviews on You Tube what he said was about and promised to do when he was running for sheriff to what he did once he was hired as the chief of police for Wenonah. He never even came close to accomplishing what he promised in those interviews. Crawley claimed to be a "Truth Seeker" but obviously, the whole time he was head of the police in Wenonah he was more about being a "Truth Hider".
Perhaps, he should stick to the local school systems and peddling them to spend money to arm teachers with guns and pushing the pro gun movement. It seems the only thing he's been successful at is learning how to shoot guns and being a fear monger, by spreading paranoia and fear he learned in the military among female school teachers. I'm sure its good business for Crawley and his pals gun training business. Profits should be really good this year.
kam

West Plains, MO

#62 Aug 18, 2014
Dennis K wrote:
I am all for protection of our children, however this is a bad idea. A uniformed, trained, experienced officer is a much better deterent.
Having a history with the school district, I have to wonder why the administration did not want a police officer around their school..........
I agree there should be a guard instead of school teachers carrying guns! The administration is some messed up asses! Another way to put the kids in danger.
zzz

West Plains, MO

#63 Aug 18, 2014
babe wrote:
<quoted text>Why pay a retired officer $30,000 + benefits for nine months work, when you can have several well trained teachers that are already on site for 10% or less? The liability insurer has no problem with these arrangements, so why have a uniformed Gestapo on site to intiminate the students? Ya'll act like the concealed carriers will be the nut cases, when they are the ones who could easily slip into the school and shoot it up if you did have an officer there....
You should be worried about the other schools where the psyco's will hit next, because it will not be Fairview.
It's easy for people to go wak when they have a gun! Accidents happen with guns all the time. Many students shooting up schools! Schools need protection but chances are if it's up to teachers to defend them, I'm not too optimistic. What if those kids over power the teacher and get the gun? Very bad idea.
Teachers Are Cool

Sparta, MO

#64 Aug 19, 2014
zzz wrote:
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It's easy for people to go wak when they have a gun! Accidents happen with guns all the time. Many students shooting up schools! Schools need protection but chances are if it's up to teachers to defend them, I'm not too optimistic. What if those kids over power the teacher and get the gun? Very bad idea.
You're nuts. When danger lurks in the corridors and bathrooms, I want the teachers armed and dangerous. Most teachers in this area were raised to handle guns and demonic armed evildoers. I also think that if the students and parents are aware that the teachers are packing heat, homework will get done on time and parents will be "extremely" polite at parent/teacher conferences. It's a win/win situation.
kindergartner

United States

#65 Aug 28, 2014
Another county elementary hired a shield solutions instructor and fulltime LEO as school resource officer. How do you explain that?

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