Fairview allowing armed teachers
babe

Hollister, MO

#24 Mar 30, 2013
Viper wrote:
Just read through these posts and I have to say Dennis K crushed babe on every turn. I do not really care about the topic but as for the debate, Dennis K clearly made his case while babe came off like a rambling idiot without a clue. It was funny to read.
Who are you to say who crushed who??? The only way Dennis K could crush me would be for his blubbery butt to fall on me! This is a debate people! Let's stick to the topic.
parent

Oldfield, MO

#25 Mar 30, 2013
All of the school shootings were caused by the same thing... Security... or lack there of. All of them could have been prevented with proper security. As a nation we should realise we owe our kids safe schools and declaring them gun free zones just isn't cutting it. Nobody should be able to just walk in a school without passing through security, students, family, everyone. The schools should be completely locked down, ID badges, metal detectors and fences and yes armed personnel. I know everyone is going to start screaming cost but it is time to get our priorities in order, safty should be first and formost.
Fairview is on the right track, the way I hear it they have beefed up building security also, and I have no problem with armed teachers. I know many teachers in all the area schools and every one of them would shield their kids just as Victoria Soto did in Newtown, but the only way to truly "save" children in that situation is with a weapon, at that point nothing else could have stopped it but force, and a trusted and trained teacher seems like an ace in the hole to proper security. I say kudos to Fairview and hope other schools follow suit.
viper

Forsyth, MO

#26 Mar 31, 2013
babe, gee I would have never expected that response from you.....keep slinging those insults, it really does give insight to your character and credibility.
Mud Shark

United States

#27 Mar 31, 2013
Think about this...since most/all people who do these shootings have mental problems as well as a death wish, who's to say that they won't consider armed teachers/staff a challenge and decide to see how many people they can take out before they are stopped?

Since: Feb 12

West Plains, MO

#28 Mar 31, 2013
How would security have stopped the playground shootings? Fairview is now the most dangerous and the most likely school in the nation for someone to be shot. That is a fact. Before they armed teachers the chance of someone being shot at the school was way less than it is now. That is a fact.
Myth Buster

West Plains, MO

#29 Mar 31, 2013
seriously wrote:
The joke is going to be when a military Dad or Mom comes home and go to that school for a function and want to carry. They will be told they can't. As a military person myself (10yrs+) I would ask why? They would say our teachers have had 40 hrs training and I would laugh and say I have been in the military for over 80,000 hrs so I guess my over 30,000 hrs training with a weapon is not good enough? All I can say is it would not be a pretty conversation.
Figuring 8 hours a day training - you actually want us to believe you spent over 10 years, with no days off, training on personal protection weapons? Durn son, could you not get it right? Where you that stupid? 80,000 hours in the military, at 24 hours a day, is under 10 years. Average military training day, after basic and AIT, 8 hours. 30,000 divided by 8 is OVER 10 years, with no leave, no weekends, no sick time, and NO TIME DOING YOUR JOB.......

Even if you were working on a weapons system - you would not have been training that much. Not in 20 years in, much less 10.

You son, had to be the most stupid person in the military - and I don't want you anywhere near my children with a gun.(by the sounds of it, my children are better with personal protection and hunting weapons that you will ever be)
Myth Buster

West Plains, MO

#30 Mar 31, 2013
Sheild Solushuns LLC wrote:
I would want to see a thorough, independent psychological exam of the instructors of Shield Solutions LLC, I don't believe they all could pass it. Most teachers I know, at the elementary level, aren't exactly all there either. 40 hours at a range and classroom and some fake course and certification will not change that. What will happen when other teachers want to be on the Shield Solutions staff, but aren't allowed for some bullshit reason? If they are qualified to be a teacher, why can't the be on Shield Solutions armed staff? What happens when another group of mercenaries that aren't part of the Shield Solutions scheme put together their own security force for market competition? Will a school be allowed to have teachers from several competing security staffs, or will contracts only be for one company that has the most friends of the most school board members? Will there be a bidding process? Will there be some public announcement and discussion about which security "firm" is "hired" to employ teachers within the school? Is this like having vending machines in the school or contracting the cafeteria to multiple parties? As they say, there would be too many cooks in the kitchen, or in this case, too many guns of different calibers. Too many unanswered questions...when they start dealing with school districts that aren't part of their click, you're going to see a mess. Accidental misfirings, ineptness, or a crazed teacher that was fired going off are going to happen, and Shield Solutions, School Boards, and Missouri United School Insurance Council will be on the hook for this foolishness.
You are stupid. No other way to say it, no other way to be polite, and certainly no way to be PC about it.

The 40 hours training is more training than MOST law enforcement officers recieve in handgun training. The continuing education requirements are higher than most state CEU requirements for Law Enforcement.
parent

Oldfield, MO

#31 Mar 31, 2013
palinlover wrote:
How would security have stopped the playground shootings? Fairview is now the most dangerous and the most likely school in the nation for someone to be shot. That is a fact. Before they armed teachers the chance of someone being shot at the school was way less than it is now. That is a fact.
Well doing nothing hasn't helped so far and I don't expect it to in the future. The shooting I think you are referring to happened just outside of Jonesboro in 1998, Quite a while after Regan was in office, They killed 1 teacher and 4 students after they set off the fire alarm and forced everyone out of the school. Would security had stopped it? Maybe? Maybe not, no one could say for sure. But it sure wouldn't have been as easy to go in and out of the school like they did, it would have make it more difficult, sure wouldn't have made it any worse. You act like just because there is a firearm in the building that all the kids are going to attack it when the vast majority could go home and look behind any door or in any closet and pick one up any time they want. Most all of their parents have not had near the training the teachers have how can all the kids still be alive? Do you think the teachers are going to be flashing them around, bragging, showing off? Drawing them everytime they hear a door slam? I don't think so. You need to get a grip on reality these teachers are responable adults most of them have kids and or family in school there, they aren't the idiots in your fantasies. You can always come up with "what if's or this could happen" but Fairview is our school, it's security and the safety of our kids is our responsibility the police will never be there until it is over. You can do nothing if you like, bury your head in the sand and hope it never happens here, but I am glad to see they are more intelligent than that and have a plan and the resources to implement it, we all hope it will never happen here but I glad my kids safety isn't left up to chance.
seriously

Houston, MO

#33 Apr 1, 2013
Myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Figuring 8 hours a day training - you actually want us to believe you spent over 10 years, with no days off, training on personal protection weapons? Durn son, could you not get it right? Where you that stupid? 80,000 hours in the military, at 24 hours a day, is under 10 years. Average military training day, after basic and AIT, 8 hours. 30,000 divided by 8 is OVER 10 years, with no leave, no weekends, no sick time, and NO TIME DOING YOUR JOB.......
Even if you were working on a weapons system - you would not have been training that much. Not in 20 years in, much less 10.
You son, had to be the most stupid person in the military - and I don't want you anywhere near my children with a gun.(by the sounds of it, my children are better with personal protection and hunting weapons that you will ever be)
2 tours at over a year and a half each with a gun on me or in my hand 24/7. Plus training you civilians have and never will here of. So in 10yrs with 2 year and a half tours with a gun 24/7 you do the math dumbass!!!
Springfield resident

Springfield, MO

#34 Apr 1, 2013
wow..
Fairview Parent

Forsyth, MO

#35 Apr 1, 2013
Yes, FormerEmployee, please elaborate.
myth Buster

West Plains, MO

#36 Apr 1, 2013
seriously wrote:
<quoted text>
2 tours at over a year and a half each with a gun on me or in my hand 24/7. Plus training you civilians have and never will here of. So in 10yrs with 2 year and a half tours with a gun 24/7 you do the math dumbass!!!
24/7 is not training - it is carrying. And you did sleep. Just going by what you said.

And for your idiotic self, not all of us out here have been civilians all our life, and probably have more time "in the shit" - the REAL shit, then you ever imagined. 47,424 US combat deaths in Viet Nam,.030 percent of the total US population. 4,977 US combat deaths in the total Gulf war conflicts,.002 percent of the US population. About a tenth of the deaths that we suffered in Viet Nam. Don't even try to tell me about YOUR experience.

Yet we had hardly any psychological crutches like the military has now - PTSD, etc. And we had to work for our medals, not like getting three medals just for completing basic training now.

We have created a nation of PUSSIES, and you want to put my grandchildren in danger?

ARM THE TRAINED TEACHERS!
sigh

Elkhorn, NE

#38 Apr 6, 2013
babe wrote:
<quoted text>Why pay a retired officer $30,000 + benefits for nine months work, when you can have several well trained teachers that are already on site for 10% or less? The liability insurer has no problem with these arrangements, so why have a uniformed Gestapo on site to intiminate the students? Ya'll act like the concealed carriers will be the nut cases, when they are the ones who could easily slip into the school and shoot it up if you did have an officer there....
You should be worried about the other schools where the psyco's will hit next, because it will not be Fairview.
Wow....way to go out on a limb. There are nearly 100,000 schools in the US, so you have a 99.999% chance of being right. Maybe arming the teachers pushed it to 99.9999%. Way to go!

BTW...the red squiggly lines in your post are there to help people who cannot spell correctly. Right click on them and it will help give you the correct spelling.
sigh

Elkhorn, NE

#39 Apr 6, 2013
myth Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
24/7 is not training - it is carrying. And you did sleep. Just going by what you said.
And for your idiotic self, not all of us out here have been civilians all our life, and probably have more time "in the shit" - the REAL shit, then you ever imagined. 47,424 US combat deaths in Viet Nam,.030 percent of the total US population. 4,977 US combat deaths in the total Gulf war conflicts,.002 percent of the US population. About a tenth of the deaths that we suffered in Viet Nam. Don't even try to tell me about YOUR experience.
Yet we had hardly any psychological crutches like the military has now - PTSD, etc. And we had to work for our medals, not like getting three medals just for completing basic training now.
We have created a nation of PUSSIES, and you want to put my grandchildren in danger?
ARM THE TRAINED TEACHERS!
Couple of things. Teachers are known for making some really stupid decisions. Google "teacher assaults student", there are about 2,000,000 results. Google "teacher sex student", there are 93,000,000 results. Bottom line, teachers cannot be counted on to make good decisions. They are underpaid, under appreciated, and stressed out. Arm them...what a brilliant idea.

Guns will go off on accident. Maybe not at Fairview, but it does happen. Google "officer gun goes off in school" and educate yourself. I would NOT want my kids in a school with armed teachers.

We have created a nation of pussies? Hardly. We have over 12,000 gun murders a year. You should be proud how bad ass we are.

And it is spelled Vietnam, not Viet Nam. I would think someone who I assume is claiming to have spent time there would have a clue of how to spell it.
sigh

Elkhorn, NE

#40 Apr 6, 2013
parent wrote:
All of the school shootings were caused by the same thing... Security... or lack there of.
You obviously do not understand root cause analysis. Lack of security did not CAUSE anything. The root cause is unique in every single shooting, that is why there is no single solution for the problem.
Saying that lack of security is the reason for school shootings is suggesting that it is the fault of the schools for it happening, not the fault of the killers. My guess is these shooters would love to have you in their juries.
Troll Chaser

United States

#41 Apr 6, 2013
seriously wrote:
<quoted text>2 tours at over a year and a half each with a gun on me or in my hand 24/7. Plus training you civilians have and never will here of. So in 10yrs with 2 year and a half tours with a gun 24/7 you do the math dumbass!!!
Graceland Tours?
seriously

United States

#42 Apr 6, 2013
K, you got me. I was armed with cap guns.
parent

Ava, MO

#43 Apr 6, 2013
sigh wrote:
<quoted text>
You obviously do not understand root cause analysis. Lack of security did not CAUSE anything. The root cause is unique in every single shooting, that is why there is no single solution for the problem.
Saying that lack of security is the reason for school shootings is suggesting that it is the fault of the schools for it happening, not the fault of the killers. My guess is these shooters would love to have you in their juries.
I hold every shooter (shooters) in every shooting in the country fully responsible for their own action, No exception and I've always belived it should be guilty by reason of insanity instead of innocent. I assure you they do not want me on their jury. The CAUSE I am referring to is their ability to just walk into a school. It is the schools responisiblity to protect our children while attending. Security is effective, but someone determined to do something might find a way around even the best security and that is why a trusted and trained teacher with a firearm is a good thing. When someone is in the building randomly killing people the only thing that will stop them is lethal force and every second matters.
parent

Ava, MO

#44 Apr 7, 2013
sigh wrote:
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Couple of things. Teachers are known for making some really stupid decisions. Google "teacher assaults student", there are about 2,000,000 results. Google "teacher sex student", there are 93,000,000 results. Bottom line, teachers cannot be counted on to make good decisions. They are underpaid, under appreciated, and stressed out. Arm them...what a brilliant idea.
Guns will go off on accident. Maybe not at Fairview, but it does happen. Google "officer gun goes off in school" and educate yourself. I would NOT want my kids in a school with armed teachers.
We have created a nation of pussies? Hardly. We have over 12,000 gun murders a year. You should be proud how bad ass we are.
And it is spelled Vietnam, not Viet Nam. I would think someone who I assume is claiming to have spent time there would have a clue of how to spell it.
Your generalization of teachers is amusing. If your google results mean so much to you try googling "brave teacher" 50,600,000 results or "hero teacher" 87,400,000 results we could do this for ever but I don't think the number of google results proves anything.
You may think the teachers just lined up and they handed out weapons but I'm certain there was alot of consideration that went into who should and could carry a firearm.
As for "Guns will go off on accident" really, do you mean like all by itself setting in the safe or maybe someone playing with it practicing quickdraws or twirling it on their finger in class, you really think that's a good argument?
Ave Joe

Branson, MO

#45 Apr 7, 2013
sigh wrote:
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Couple of things. Teachers are known for making some really stupid decisions. Google "teacher assaults student", there are about 2,000,000 results. Google "teacher sex student", there are 93,000,000 results. Bottom line, teachers cannot be counted on to make good decisions. They are underpaid, under appreciated, and stressed out. Arm them...what a brilliant idea.
Guns will go off on accident. Maybe not at Fairview, but it does happen. Google "officer gun goes off in school" and educate yourself. I would NOT want my kids in a school with armed teachers.
We have created a nation of pussies? Hardly. We have over 12,000 gun murders a year. You should be proud how bad ass we are.
And it is spelled Vietnam, not Viet Nam. I would think someone who I assume is claiming to have spent time there would have a clue of how to spell it.
If you look at the classrooms today and see the way teachers are often treated, I can believe there are assaults, and probably should be more!!! Kids have NO respect for anything these days due to the politically correct way everyone wants to raise their kids.

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