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The Obama Administration Supports the United Nations Arms Ban Treaty?

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Nosy Ass MoFo

Willow Springs, MO

#1 Nov 10, 2012
Well...that little turd of a president the Liberals and Democrats reelected didn't waste anytime in his attempt to ultimately take the guns away from every private citizen. This is merely a stepping stone. We should all remember the following:

“The usual road to slavery is that first they take away your guns, then they take away your property, then last of all they tell you to shut up and say you are enjoying it.”— James A. Donald
LOVE

Ozark, MO

#2 Nov 10, 2012
Nosy Ass MoFo wrote:
Well...that little turd of a president the Liberals and Democrats reelected didn't waste anytime in his attempt to ultimately take the guns away from every private citizen. This is merely a stepping stone. We should all remember the following:
“The usual road to slavery is that first they take away your guns, then they take away your property, then last of all they tell you to shut up and say you are enjoying it.”— James A. Donald
Well the lefty liberals knew what the idiot wants to do but the dumb young know it all's thought they were smart but are the stupid ones when they find out they have to pay for this idiots 8 yrs of waist all their working life and the inner city black folk just want more free crap and they all voted for the wrose president this country will ever have. Now to the guns, they will never take away the guns, there are way too many people with guns for that to happen. In todays day and age there won't be another brother against brother like the civil war days in America like they the librerals think will happen to get their way. Ask yourself this, everybody hears and knows America is way down on the list for education in this world but all these young well schooled kids we have today all voted for obama, what does this tell you about America's future. Back in the old days not to long ago the old timers warned about the hippies would be running this country and look what that spawned, bill clinton, the no morals and lier president.
actually

West Plains, MO

#3 Nov 11, 2012
Nosy Ass MoFo wrote:
Well...that little turd of a president the Liberals and Democrats reelected didn't waste anytime in his attempt to ultimately take the guns away from every private citizen. This is merely a stepping stone. We should all remember the following:
“The usual road to slavery is that first they take away your guns, then they take away your property, then last of all they tell you to shut up and say you are enjoying it.”— James A. Donald
I need your car. Shut up and enjoy it because I know better than you.

See. I got your back. Now you have a reason to be mad.
actually

West Plains, MO

#4 Nov 11, 2012
LOVE wrote:
<quoted text> Well the lefty liberals knew what the idiot wants to do but the dumb young know it all's thought they were smart but are the stupid ones when they find out they have to pay for this idiots 8 yrs of waist all their working life and the inner city black folk just want more free crap and they all voted for the wrose president this country will ever have. Now to the guns, they will never take away the guns, there are way too many people with guns for that to happen. In todays day and age there won't be another brother against brother like the civil war days in America like they the librerals think will happen to get their way. Ask yourself this, everybody hears and knows America is way down on the list for education in this world but all these young well schooled kids we have today all voted for obama, what does this tell you about America's future. Back in the old days not to long ago the old timers warned about the hippies would be running this country and look what that spawned, bill clinton, the no morals and lier president.
yeah! Those inner city blacks. Thanks Bill O'Reilly for telling me exactly what to think, word for word! So much easier than thinking for myself.
LOVE

Galena, MO

#5 Nov 11, 2012
actually wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah! Those inner city blacks. Thanks Bill O'Reilly for telling me exactly what to think, word for word! So much easier than thinking for myself.
Whats bill o'reilly got to do with anything I said? Have you ever been to the inner city black neighborhoods? take a trip and just sit and listen for awhile. The welfare and foodstamp programs grew by thousands an thousands an thousands in the last 4 yrs and if you look at most who got most of it it's the blacks. Obama is a black racist and has 100 more acorn corps in it's works in the inner city's today. Acorn was found out and called out for it's fraud ways, give it time and more will follow. You people who support obama has nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.
question

West Plains, MO

#6 Nov 11, 2012
LOVE wrote:
<quoted text>Whats bill o'reilly got to do with anything I said? Have you ever been to the inner city black neighborhoods? take a trip and just sit and listen for awhile. The welfare and foodstamp programs grew by thousands an thousands an thousands in the last 4 yrs and if you look at most who got most of it it's the blacks. Obama is a black racist and has 100 more acorn corps in it's works in the inner city's today. Acorn was found out and called out for it's fraud ways, give it time and more will follow. You people who support obama has nothing but excuse after excuse after excuse.
thanks bill.

“Herp Derp”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#8 Nov 15, 2012
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/still-no-int...

Factcheck.org says there is no gun ban treaty at all and you are making shit up to have something to vent your paranoid bullshit at.
Democrat

West Plains, MO

#9 Nov 15, 2012
Stop it. You know Republicans don't like facts.
number9

United States

#10 Nov 15, 2012
I think this is the gun ban the 1st post refers to:
http://gunowners.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/oba...

“Herp Derp”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#11 Nov 15, 2012
There is a massive glut of unsubstantiated rumors. These articles do not cite resolution being discussed, only referring to it as "the gun ban treaty" or something similar.
UN resolutions actually have call numbers and can be found easily on their website by doing a search. Everything is public information. Until somebody can produce the actual "gun ban" resolution that is actually being discussed I wouldn't believe anything being talked about on the internet.
number9

United States

#12 Nov 15, 2012
Speeluunjuur wrote:
There is a massive glut of unsubstantiated rumors. These articles do not cite resolution being discussed, only referring to it as "the gun ban treaty" or something similar.
UN resolutions actually have call numbers and can be found easily on their website by doing a search. Everything is public information. Until somebody can produce the actual "gun ban" resolution that is actually being discussed I wouldn't believe anything being talked about on the internet.
Resolution A/C.1/67/L.11
Alex Jones

West Plains, MO

#13 Nov 15, 2012
number9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Resolution A/C.1/67/L.11
did you read the resolution? to reduce the number of nuclear weapons? and reduce the amount of unsanctioned arms shipments into non-aligned countries? You know, to reduce the available arms to TERRORIST groups? If you could help me find the section where it says anything about reducing the amount of arms American have I would be most grateful. It is entirely possible I don't know the definitions of words and I really misunderstood what happened when I read the words specifically NOT reducing the amount of American citizen guns. Thanks.

Conspiracy theories are fun because it gives us the feeling that we somehow know something no one else knows.
number9

United States

#14 Nov 15, 2012
Alex Jones wrote:
<quoted text>did you read the resolution? to reduce the number of nuclear weapons? and reduce the amount of unsanctioned arms shipments into non-aligned countries? You know, to reduce the available arms to TERRORIST groups? If you could help me find the section where it says anything about reducing the amount of arms American have I would be most grateful. It is entirely possible I don't know the definitions of words and I really misunderstood what happened when I read the words specifically NOT reducing the amount of American citizen guns. Thanks.

Conspiracy theories are fun because it gives us the feeling that we somehow know something no one else knows.
What I read referred to conventional arms, including self-loading pistols and revolvers, no mention of anything nuclear.

“Herp Derp”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#15 Nov 15, 2012
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/LTD/N1...

The document you are referring to simply states that basically nothing got done. It's actually an addon to a previous meeting that directs below.

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp...

This treaty is a statement that nothing got done and builds upon this document, which seems to be the original one.

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N1...

Quoted from the document:
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
States Parties, in promoting the object and purpose of this Treaty and implementing
its provisions, shall act in accordance with the following principles:
1. The inherent right of all States to individual or collective self-defence;
2. The settlement of international disputes by peaceful means in such a
manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;
3. To refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force
against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other
manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
4. Non-intervention in matters which are essentially within the domestic
jurisdiction of any State;
5. The duty to respect and ensure respect for international humanitarian law
and to respect and ensure human rights;
6. The responsibility of all States, in accordance with their respective
international obligations, to effectively regulate and control international transfers
of conventional arms, as well as the primary responsibility of all States in
establishing and implementing their respective national export control systems;
7. States Parties should respect the legitimate interests of States to acquire
conventional weapons for legitimate self-defence and peacekeeping operations and
to produce, export, import and transfer conventional arms; and
8. The necessity to implement this Treaty consistently and effectively and in
a universal, objective and non-discriminatory manner.

Also:
1. In considering whether to authorize an export of conventional arms
within the scope of this Treaty, each State Party shall assess whether the proposed
export would contribute to or undermine peace and security.
2. Prior to authorization and pursuant to its national control system, the
State Party shall assess whether the proposed export of conventional arms could:
(a) Be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international
humanitarian law;
(b) Be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international human
rights law; or
(c) Be used to commit or facilitate an act constituting an offence under
international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism to which the
transferring State is a Party.

So in short, no selling of guns to known terrorists.
Are you a terrorist? No? Doesn't apply to you. If the president signs this document it is a promise not to sell weapons to terrorists.
confused2

United States

#16 Nov 15, 2012
Speeluunjuur wrote:
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/d oc/UNDOC/LTD/N12/555/62/PDF/N1 255562.pdf?OpenElement

The document you are referring to simply states that basically nothing got done. It's actually an addon to a previous meeting that directs below.

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp...

This treaty is a statement that nothing got done and builds upon this document, which seems to be the original one.

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N1...

Quoted from the document:
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
States Parties, in promoting the object and purpose of this Treaty and implementing
its provisions, shall act in accordance with the following principles:
1. The inherent right of all States to individual or collective self-defence;
2. The settlement of international disputes by peaceful means in such a
manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered;
3. To refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force
against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other
manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations;
4. Non-intervention in matters which are essentially within the domestic
jurisdiction of any State;
5. The duty to respect and ensure respect for international humanitarian law
and to respect and ensure human rights;
6. The responsibility of all States, in accordance with their respective
international obligations, to effectively regulate and control international transfers
of conventional arms, as well as the primary responsibility of all States in
establishing and implementing their respective national export control systems;
7. States Parties should respect the legitimate interests of States to acquire
conventional weapons for legitimate self-defence and peacekeeping operations and
to produce, export, import and transfer conventional arms; and
8. The necessity to implement this Treaty consistently and effectively and in
a universal, objective and non-discriminatory manner.

Also:
1. In considering whether to authorize an export of conventional arms
within the scope of this Treaty, each State Party shall assess whether the proposed
export would contribute to or undermine peace and security.
2. Prior to authorization and pursuant to its national control system, the
State Party shall assess whether the proposed export of conventional arms could:
(a) Be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international
humanitarian law;
(b) Be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international human
rights law; or
(c) Be used to commit or facilitate an act constituting an offence under
international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism to which the
transferring State is a Party.

So in short, no selling of guns to known terrorists.
Are you a terrorist? No? Doesn't apply to you. If the president signs this document it is a promise not to sell weapons to terrorists.
What's the point in all this? Why does a document need to be drawn up promising we won't sell arms to our enemies - entities we wouldn't sell to anyway? Sorry, it's late, what am I missing?

“Herp Derp”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#17 Nov 15, 2012
Basically people are saying that Obama is going to take our guns away.
I looked around and found the UN resolution in question.

This first Resolution cited as the source (Resolution A/C.1/67/L.11) was actually an unfinished and unsigned addendum to another Resolution that was also an unfinished and unsigned addendum to the original Resolution which was a promise from all those who signed the first resolution, banning the selling of all guns to illegal organizations and known terrorists.
This was more of a solidarity move to get countries like Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia to sign it (None of which have. As a matter of fact NO ONE has signed it yet which I find disturbing it itself.)

Edit: I just double checked. Are these links broken to anyone else or is it just me?

“Herp Derp”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#18 Nov 15, 2012
The 3 resolutions in question are
A/C.1/67/L.11
A/CONF.217/4
A/CONF.217/CRP.1

As far as I can tell resolution A/CONF.217/CRP.1 is the original which the other two have failed to build upon.

“Herp Derp”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#19 Nov 15, 2012
I think the key here is .4

4. Non-intervention in matters which are essentially within the domestic
jurisdiction of any State;

Basically this point bluntly states that this treaty will have no relevance to domestic matters that do not involve other signers to the treaty. In other words America can have all the guns she wants as long as individuals within that country are no selling them to known criminals and terrorists.

Furthermore:

6. The responsibility of all States, in accordance with their respective
international obligations, to effectively regulate and control international transfers
of conventional arms, as well as the primary responsibility of all States in
establishing and implementing their respective national export control systems;

What this means is that if a nation does catch it's citizens selling weapons to criminals or terrorists the nation in question is obligated to do something about it.
Alex Jones

Branson, MO

#20 Nov 16, 2012
number9 wrote:
<quoted text>
What I read referred to conventional arms, including self-loading pistols and revolvers, no mention of anything nuclear.
reread. don't read something someone with an agenda wrote, go to un.org .
derekp

Ozark, MO

#21 Nov 17, 2012
The fear mongers strike again. Some people just enjoy being afraid.

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