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Not Impressed

Sparta, MO

#1 Feb 26, 2014
Grisham Properties in West Plains manages a Mobile Home park on Lanton Rd. is Breaking Rental laws this Winter by not fixing Hot Water Heaters in their Mobile Homes in the Mobile Home Park they Manage over by the Glass Sward Theater . What they are doing is due to the cold Winter this year they have had several water lines freeze and bust because they do not have the plumbing installed to code under the Mobile Homes as the PVC plumbing under the homes is sitting directly on the ground which is By Law against City and State Code even though some of the plumbing is partially wrapped with the gray foam . They then are telling their Tenants whose water lines busted that they will not fix the Hot Water Heaters unless they get their Natural Gas hooked up to their homes instead of using space Heaters which is just as good and way cheaper . Parents who are living there with children are having to live there with no hot water through these cold nights which is also against the law as far as Rental laws and having children. What Grisham is telling them is the lines busted because they had space heaters instead of natural gas heat which is total Bullshit for anyone who has ever done work on a Mobile home. Even though it is not in their rental contract that they must have Natural Gas Heat if they have a Gas main heater in the house which is really expensive and most cannot afford the high price of the Natural gas as well as a high electric bill . I know of one family who started moving out due to having no hot water for the last two months due to the water heater not being fixed after the pipes froze and broke and Grisham issued them an eviction notice telling them they had until March 1st to move but then in the middle of them moving this week Grisham changed the locks and locked the place up even though it is not the 1st of March yet. Another rental law broken right there by changing the locks on them before the date on the eviction notice . Mind you this family did not pay the rent this month there due to the fact that Grisham did not fix the hot water and they have two small children one being an infant. Mr. Grisham there are laws protecting renters and you are breaking those laws right now by doing this to them and rest assured if they take you to court you will pay dearly . I know of two or three Mobile homes in that one park alone that all had the same problem and are being forced to live with no hot water right now . Talk about an evil money grubbing scumbag renter Grisham is , I believe he is an Ass and should do the right thing here and fix his trailers right and insulate and raise the pipes below the houses to code like they are sup[posed to be. Anyone know any other families Grisham has screwed over this Winter ?
Not Impressed

Sparta, MO

#2 Feb 26, 2014
Grisham also broke the law when they posted an eviction notice giving the tenants 30 days to vacate the Mobile home because in the state of Missouri A landlord may not evict a tenant without
a court order and not by simply posting a form letter on the door to the Mobile Home. Looks like Grisham really over stepped his bounds the more I look into this according to Missouri rental laws.
enough

United States

#3 Feb 26, 2014
Do something about it. Call him up or whoever you can. People need to be treated right. Rich or poor. Year's ago I knew a family who rented off them. The family complained about mold grown in their bathroom. Even showed me a picture of mushrooms growing out of the mold around the tub. I never saw anything like that before. Grisham never did a thing to help them. I feel sorry for the folks who has them as landlords. At the same time I'm not surprise to hear another sorry story on the Grishams.
tim

Kansas City, KS

#4 Feb 26, 2014
Not Impressed wrote:
Grisham Properties in West Plains manages a Mobile Home park on Lanton Rd. is Breaking Rental laws this Winter by not fixing Hot Water Heaters in their Mobile Homes in the Mobile Home Park they Manage over by the Glass Sward Theater . What they are doing is due to the cold Winter this year they have had several water lines freeze and bust because they do not have the plumbing installed to code under the Mobile Homes as the PVC plumbing under the homes is sitting directly on the ground which is By Law against City and State Code even though some of the plumbing is partially wrapped with the gray foam . They then are telling their Tenants whose water lines busted that they will not fix the Hot Water Heaters unless they get their Natural Gas hooked up to their homes instead of using space Heaters which is just as good and way cheaper . Parents who are living there with children are having to live there with no hot water through these cold nights which is also against the law as far as Rental laws and having children. What Grisham is telling them is the lines busted because they had space heaters instead of natural gas heat which is total Bullshit for anyone who has ever done work on a Mobile home. Even though it is not in their rental contract that they must have Natural Gas Heat if they have a Gas main heater in the house which is really expensive and most cannot afford the high price of the Natural gas as well as a high electric bill . I know of one family who started moving out due to having no hot water for the last two months due to the water heater not being fixed after the pipes froze and broke and Grisham issued them an eviction notice telling them they had until March 1st to move but then in the middle of them moving this week Grisham changed the locks and locked the place up even though it is not the 1st of March yet. Another rental law broken right there by changing the locks on them before the date on the eviction notice . Mind you this family did not pay the rent this month there due to the fact that Grisham did not fix the hot water and they have two small children one being an infant. Mr. Grisham there are laws protecting renters and you are breaking those laws right now by doing this to them and rest assured if they take you to court you will pay dearly . I know of two or three Mobile homes in that one park alone that all had the same problem and are being forced to live with no hot water right now . Talk about an evil money grubbing scumbag renter Grisham is , I believe he is an Ass and should do the right thing here and fix his trailers right and insulate and raise the pipes below the houses to code like they are sup[posed to be. Anyone know any other families Grisham has screwed over this Winter ?
Post some links to pics please date stamped if possible. thanks. Also link to State Law concerning landlords (slumlords) & tenants cause education is empowerment: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c441.htm

Also see: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD...
enough

United States

#5 Feb 26, 2014
Good boy Timmy! I knew you would know what to do!
Not Impressed

Sparta, MO

#6 Feb 26, 2014
tim wrote:
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Post some links to pics please date stamped if possible. thanks. Also link to State Law concerning landlords (slumlords) & tenants cause education is empowerment: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c441.htm
Also see: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD...
Thanks for your Comment Tim , Following your link to the Missouri Laws pertaining to this here is the Number one law Grisham is not following by not providing Hot Water by not fixing the hot water heater and the same applies for changing the locks on the tenants before the Eviction date on the Eviction notice that Grisham Properties posted on their door without a Court order which is also the law which states it must be by court order. Landlord's unlawful removal or exclusion of tenant, liability--interruption of services, landlord's liability.
441.233. 1. Except as provided in section 441.065, a landlord or its agent who removes or excludes a tenant or the tenant's personal property from the premises without judicial process and court order, or causes such removal or exclusion, or causes the removal of the doors or locks to such premises, shall be deemed guilty of forcible entry and detainer as described in chapter 534.

2. Any landlord or its agent who willfully diminishes services to a tenant by interrupting or causing the interruption of essential services, including but not limited to electric, gas, water, or sewer service, to the tenant or to the premises shall be deemed guilty of forcible entry and detainer as described in chapter 534; provided however, this section shall not be applicable if a landlord or its agent takes such action for health or safety reasons.
Not Impressed

Sparta, MO

#7 Feb 26, 2014
tim wrote:
<quoted text>
Post some links to pics please date stamped if possible. thanks. Also link to State Law concerning landlords (slumlords) & tenants cause education is empowerment: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c441.htm
Also see: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD...
Tim , Sorry but I cannot post pics of the Mobile home as there is no access to the house since Grisham changed the locks . I have first hand knowledge of the things that went on and the things Grisham did not do as I know this family personally and they were actually using my Hot water during this time period due to Grisham refusing to fix the hot water heater after the pipes froze and broke . They also took no pictures of the pipes or the water that was flooding the side yard when the pipes thawed out . I am sure they are regretting not taking pictures now but they are more concerned with getting whats left of their personal property back since Grisham changed the locks before the date they posted on the door to the house telling them they had until March 1st to move move out as per the fake Eviction notice which was on Grisham letterhead and not court ordered . Thankfully the family with the small children have a new place to live and are living comfortably now that they are not living in a Grisham property.
tim

Saint Louis, MO

#8 Feb 26, 2014
Not Impressed wrote:
<quoted text> Tim , Sorry but I cannot post pics of the Mobile home as there is no access to the house since Grisham changed the locks . I have first hand knowledge of the things that went on and the things Grisham did not do as I know this family personally and they were actually using my Hot water during this time period due to Grisham refusing to fix the hot water heater after the pipes froze and broke . They also took no pictures of the pipes or the water that was flooding the side yard when the pipes thawed out . I am sure they are regretting not taking pictures now but they are more concerned with getting whats left of their personal property back since Grisham changed the locks before the date they posted on the door to the house telling them they had until March 1st to move move out as per the fake Eviction notice which was on Grisham letterhead and not court ordered . Thankfully the family with the small children have a new place to live and are living comfortably now that they are not living in a Grisham property.
Well the pics would have been nice for court but still it sounds like they gave you enough to cut there own throats litigation wise. Slum lords count on there tenants not knowing how to assert there rights or not having the resources to pursue matters. Its like they do not have plenty of money too keep there rentals up anyway. I wise them the best of luck.
The Tard

Ozark, MO

#9 Feb 26, 2014
Not Impressed wrote:
Grisham Properties in West Plains manages a Mobile Home park on Lanton Rd. is Breaking Rental laws this Winter by not fixing Hot Water Heaters in their Mobile Homes in the Mobile Home Park they Manage over by the Glass Sward Theater . What they are doing is due to the cold Winter this year they have had several water lines freeze and bust because they do not have the plumbing installed to code under the Mobile Homes as the PVC plumbing under the homes is sitting directly on the ground which is By Law against City and State Code even though some of the plumbing is partially wrapped with the gray foam . They then are telling their Tenants whose water lines busted that they will not fix the Hot Water Heaters unless they get their Natural Gas hooked up to their homes instead of using space Heaters which is just as good and way cheaper . Parents who are living there with children are having to live there with no hot water through these cold nights which is also against the law as far as Rental laws and having children. What Grisham is telling them is the lines busted because they had space heaters instead of natural gas heat which is total Bullshit for anyone who has ever done work on a Mobile home. Even though it is not in their rental contract that they must have Natural Gas Heat if they have a Gas main heater in the house which is really expensive and most cannot afford the high price of the Natural gas as well as a high electric bill . I know of one family who started moving out due to having no hot water for the last two months due to the water heater not being fixed after the pipes froze and broke and Grisham issued them an eviction notice telling them they had until March 1st to move but then in the middle of them moving this week Grisham changed the locks and locked the place up even though it is not the 1st of March yet. Another rental law broken right there by changing the locks on them before the date on the eviction notice . Mind you this family did not pay the rent this month there due to the fact that Grisham did not fix the hot water and they have two small children one being an infant. Mr. Grisham there are laws protecting renters and you are breaking those laws right now by doing this to them and rest assured if they take you to court you will pay dearly . I know of two or three Mobile homes in that one park alone that all had the same problem and are being forced to live with no hot water right now . Talk about an evil money grubbing scumbag renter Grisham is , I believe he is an Ass and should do the right thing here and fix his trailers right and insulate and raise the pipes below the houses to code like they are sup[posed to be. Anyone know any other families Grisham has screwed over this Winter ?
Thanks for notifying me via Topix. I'll get right on the case. I don't have a fancy Harvard Law Degree per se, but I've seen a couple episodes of Judge Judy.
Weather Boy

Ozark, MO

#10 Feb 26, 2014
Interesting and this should be talked about to find a solution.
Idea

Cameron, MO

#11 Mar 3, 2014
Pay your rent on time, and quit trashing the place.
Hmmmmmmmm

Cameron, MO

#12 Mar 3, 2014
I cannot imagine why in the world that if a tenant is paying rent on time and taking care of the place, like a reasonable person would do, and abiding by the terms of the rental/lease agreement. Why on earth a landlord would even think of not holding up his/her end of the bargain? After all, why would a landlord, having put out a considerable investment to have the building, would risk loosing such a good tenant?

Seems obvious that the tenant, having applied and agreed to the terms, in writing, mind you, that the tenant would want to be able to continue to live in a place that, after all, is not his/hers, but borrowed. And it is not unreasonable to ask for someone to pay for something that they are getting to use, if it is not theirs? Buildings don't come cheap, or just materialize out of nothing, you know. Why someone had to pay for the land, building, fixtures, etc.
tim

Kansas City, KS

#13 Mar 3, 2014
Hmmmmmmmm wrote:
I cannot imagine why in the world that if a tenant is paying rent on time and taking care of the place, like a reasonable person would do, and abiding by the terms of the rental/lease agreement. Why on earth a landlord would even think of not holding up his/her end of the bargain? After all, why would a landlord, having put out a considerable investment to have the building, would risk loosing such a good tenant?
Seems obvious that the tenant, having applied and agreed to the terms, in writing, mind you, that the tenant would want to be able to continue to live in a place that, after all, is not his/hers, but borrowed. And it is not unreasonable to ask for someone to pay for something that they are getting to use, if it is not theirs? Buildings don't come cheap, or just materialize out of nothing, you know. Why someone had to pay for the land, building, fixtures, etc.
Simple because they are greedy and do not care as long as they are getting the HUD and rent. If you are paying rent then then thats the deal its not optional that the landlord keeps shlt fixed its contractual. But clearly if we are to believe this tread (no real reason not to at this point) this landlord did not.
Chigger

Bald Knob, AR

#14 Mar 4, 2014
Pay your rent or move out. Its that simple. So tried of deadbeats. Why do people in this area think they can sign a legal document (reviewed and aproved by an attorney and tested in court here in Howell County) to pay rent and then not meet THEIR obligations?

Please just move to another country.
tim

Kansas City, KS

#15 Mar 4, 2014
Chigger wrote:
Pay your rent or move out. Its that simple. So tried of deadbeats. Why do people in this area think they can sign a legal document (reviewed and aproved by an attorney and tested in court here in Howell County) to pay rent and then not meet THEIR obligations?
Please just move to another country.
This is not about a person not paying rent "lean to Read" its about a landlord not keeping up with his contractual obligations. It sounds like you deal with renters that do not pay and vented your frustrations on this thread.
grave digger

Ozark, MO

#16 Mar 4, 2014
this is west plains,,,they dont have to follow no stupid state laws,,,dont forget,,,this is the town where a dude run a truck driving school tied to fraud and this fraud led to supporting terrorist,,,all for a buck,,,then the town got together and held a support picnic and fund raiser for the terrorist supporter,,,,cuz he was a local and a good person from good people,,,ha haa haaa,,,the label given to every local who cons someone round here,,,grishams aint the only slum lord round here,,,you have country gettos owner,,,that idiot across the hwy from the movie theater,,,the yellow houses guy,,,they been doing it for yrs and will keep on keeping on for yrs to come,,,all getting rich from the goverment handouts,,,it pays to keep people poor round here,,,welcome to west plains,,,
sick of it too

Lampe, MO

#17 Mar 4, 2014
tim wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not about a person not paying rent "lean to Read" its about a landlord not keeping up with his contractual obligations. It sounds like you deal with renters that do not pay and vented your frustrations on this thread.
But they didn't pay the rent. That sentence was hidden amongst all of the other sentences in the posts. I guess the poster must have skipped over the law that says a tenant cannot withhold rent for any reason. The renter is supposed to document the issues, MOVE, then file a small claims suit for the rent money they paid the months the home was unsafe to live in. I realize that it is very hard to pay rent while trying to quickly come up with money to move but if you don't pay the rent you are throwing away a lot of your rights. Bear in mind that being without heat or a working hot water heater for a few days is not a unlivable/slumlord situation, even if you have kids. Do you have any idea how many people... including homeowners who have been without those things for a few days to weeks due to the severe winter this year? A renter is also required to take reasonable care of the place. Not having sufficient heating, especially in a trailer home, is going to bust the pipes... therefore you are not taking reasonable care of the property. If the landlord tells you to leave the water dripping and turn up the heat and you let the pipes freeze they are within their right to ask you to leave. Now the Grisham's are often called slumlords for not maintaining property correctly. I don't know if that is completely true or if they just don't want to dump money into the rentals they have that are cheap.... also the ones that are probably treated the worst. If someone sees faulty plumbing, electrical, etc then you pick up your phone and call the city if it's a code violation or the health department if it's a safety issue. And don't say they won't do anything because the guys in charge of those divisions are not from the "good 'ol boys club" . They actually do their job and are correcting the situations, turning it over to the state if needed, and are finally starting to yank licensing. People have got to stop playing the entitled victim all of the time and start being responsible.
grave digger

Ozark, MO

#18 Mar 4, 2014
sick of it too wrote:
<quoted text>
But they didn't pay the rent. That sentence was hidden amongst all of the other sentences in the posts. I guess the poster must have skipped over the law that says a tenant cannot withhold rent for any reason. The renter is supposed to document the issues, MOVE, then file a small claims suit for the rent money they paid the months the home was unsafe to live in. I realize that it is very hard to pay rent while trying to quickly come up with money to move but if you don't pay the rent you are throwing away a lot of your rights. Bear in mind that being without heat or a working hot water heater for a few days is not a unlivable/slumlord situation, even if you have kids. Do you have any idea how many people... including homeowners who have been without those things for a few days to weeks due to the severe winter this year? A renter is also required to take reasonable care of the place. Not having sufficient heating, especially in a trailer home, is going to bust the pipes... therefore you are not taking reasonable care of the property. If the landlord tells you to leave the water dripping and turn up the heat and you let the pipes freeze they are within their right to ask you to leave. Now the Grisham's are often called slumlords for not maintaining property correctly. I don't know if that is completely true or if they just don't want to dump money into the rentals they have that are cheap.... also the ones that are probably treated the worst. If someone sees faulty plumbing, electrical, etc then you pick up your phone and call the city if it's a code violation or the health department if it's a safety issue. And don't say they won't do anything because the guys in charge of those divisions are not from the "good 'ol boys club" . They actually do their job and are correcting the situations, turning it over to the state if needed, and are finally starting to yank licensing. People have got to stop playing the entitled victim all of the time and start being responsible.
if or when a renter has to suffer cuz the landlord is a slum lord,,,then the renter can with hold rent,,,if you havnt noticed something,,,if the small claims courts worked,,,there wouldnt be any slumlords,,,so if your a slumlord and make renters suffer,,,boo hoo,,,and if your a renter and your landlord is a slumlord,,,dont pay rent and move out but before you go,,,crawl under the slumlords shack your renting and break the main water line,,,the line that goes into the ground,,,this cant ever be blamed on the renter but the slumlord will have to pay mega bucks to repair,,,just a tid bit of payback rule #2 of the slumlords payback rule book,,,,written by one nasty bad pissed off renter and one nightmare for a slumlord,,,ha haa haaa,,,,dont take no shit from a slumlord,,,they are nasty people,,,greedy people,,,sick people who like to watch people suffer,,,ps,,,the grave digger is looking for a place to rent,,,anyone have any ideas,,,ha haa haaa
tim

Kansas City, KS

#19 Mar 4, 2014
sick of it too wrote:
<quoted text>
But they didn't pay the rent. That sentence was hidden amongst all of the other sentences in the posts. I guess the poster must have skipped over the law that says a tenant cannot withhold rent for any reason. The renter is supposed to document the issues, MOVE, then file a small claims suit for the rent money they paid the months the home was unsafe to live in. I realize that it is very hard to pay rent while trying to quickly come up with money to move but if you don't pay the rent you are throwing away a lot of your rights. Bear in mind that being without heat or a working hot water heater for a few days is not a unlivable/slumlord situation, even if you have kids. Do you have any idea how many people... including homeowners who have been without those things for a few days to weeks due to the severe winter this year? A renter is also required to take reasonable care of the place. Not having sufficient heating, especially in a trailer home, is going to bust the pipes... therefore you are not taking reasonable care of the property. If the landlord tells you to leave the water dripping and turn up the heat and you let the pipes freeze they are within their right to ask you to leave. Now the Grisham's are often called slumlords for not maintaining property correctly. I don't know if that is completely true or if they just don't want to dump money into the rentals they have that are cheap.... also the ones that are probably treated the worst. If someone sees faulty plumbing, electrical, etc then you pick up your phone and call the city if it's a code violation or the health department if it's a safety issue. And don't say they won't do anything because the guys in charge of those divisions are not from the "good 'ol boys club" . They actually do their job and are correcting the situations, turning it over to the state if needed, and are finally starting to yank licensing. People have got to stop playing the entitled victim all of the time and start being responsible.
"due to the fact that Grisham did not fix the hot water" When the Slumlord is not upholding his end of the contract then a tenant has every right to withhold the money until the repairs are made. And the poster was account another renters situation not his. So yes he was current. Why are you trying to defend these scum slumloards are you one yourself?
TDP

West Plains, MO

#20 Mar 6, 2014
i just moved in to a trailer on Lanton road in January. After i turned my electric on. i then found out that my water heater didn't work. took them a whole month to fix it!! and my heater is electric and was crappy. it ran constantly for 2 weeks. without shutting off. it barely got up to 58 degrees in the house with my 2 year old son and pregnant fiance. got my electric bill for that month and it was 459 dollars. and they refused to help because they couldnt put me in a move in ready house. they finally put me a whiole new heating unit in. but that should have beeen done weeks ago

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