Since: Oct 13

Sparta, MO

#145 Dec 9, 2013
grave digger wrote:
kids when teenager age will have sex no matter what political beleif,,,church beleif,,,no matter what their parents,,,teachers,,,preachers say,,,its called life,,,you all did it the same as the teenagers of today are doing it,,,just like the teenagers of tomorrow will be doing it and your parents and grandparents and great grandparents did it before you,,,its called life,,,and abortion is murder,,,and atheist are a bad noise to the ears,,,and lefty democrats are evil,,,its all called life,,,rock on JESUS and GOD spead all the JESUS followers,,,and shut the hell up all atheist lefty dumbocrats abortion supporting murders,,,this grave digger post should piss alot of you killers off,,,ha haa haaa
they will have sex, however starting a real education on sex and all the outcomes from it at a young age "before" they are active has been proven to reduce the amount of teens that are active, and increase the amount of properly used protection when they are sexually active and it lowers the spread of stds and reduces early pregnancies etc ...the only real outcome of a better proper young education of such ...does all the same crap prochoice people say they support abortion for, without murder, without regrets, without physical damage and complications from abortion, etc...yes teens are sexually active...but it has been proven to be more effective to educate them before they are active to reduce all of this...abortion is damaging, and it truly just an avoidance of such an uneducated system ...if we want a solution to such a problem stop making more problems and work toward a real fix not an avoidance ...all I am saying...yes teens have sex...but a real informative, effective education helps reduce this greatly, it is too late when it is already occurring
grave digger

Taneyville, MO

#146 Dec 9, 2013
tim wrote:
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You know Gravy I just don't get this, for years I have been doing this with great success.. errr...as you say:
"spead all the JESUS followers,,," and screwed them as hard and long as possible, never once pulling out. So when one of these little Lassie's takes me serious and gets all prego you and your religious ilk get all uppity cause she wants a professional to run the vacuum cleaner and get rid of my future spawn. So which is it pay for the abortion or pay for welfare? A one maybe two time fee for a abortion? Or a lifetime of supporting the little bastard and whore mother?
Let's have a honest pole call here guys one or the other.
Abortion?
or
Welfare lifer?
These being the only two choices available which one?
the grave digger thinks you said you screwed alot of christian girls round here,,,then one got with child,,,your child,,,and then she wanted an abortion but the higher up christians,,,her church thru a fit and it was your child and you called it a welfare lifer,,,well if its your kid,,,arnt you man enough to raise it?,,,sounds like your kinda wimpy,,,and blame the christians,,,but truth be known,,,your not man enough to raise your own child,,,now thats a looser,,,and when you blame the church and dont raise your own kid,,,,thats a cowardly looser with a side of being a lefty lifer,,,,
UraFlake

Ava, MO

#147 Dec 10, 2013
Cops are military too wrote:
Kids can be kids even with sex education! They wonder at that age where babies come from! It is better to be honest with them then LIE! Sex is not damaging...it is better and more productive for them at a young age. If you teach people properly at a young age about sex, there would be way LESS need for your damaging abortions. They are not a solution. Perhaps you should grow up a little and stop lying to youth about babies come from cabbage patches?! Thought you believed in an education?! It is more productive and beneficial to stop lying to them because they a little and tell them the TRUTH and educate them before puberty hits, they are out there having sex, and having false beliefs etc about it! They have proven teaching kids about sex younger helps in preventing underage sex and unprotected sex! Sex is not a dirty thing, it's science! They have proven it is more productive, but it is people like you, who want to teach it when it is too late because of your emotional view. Sex isn't dirty, grow up. Perversion of sex is dirty, you can teach it on an educational and effective level, and it is NOT damaging ...it is the exact opposite! It is ignorant to say, I support an education of such and then prevent it in the most effective form. If you want them to be educated, then allow it, not when it is too late! Not when they are already at the age they are doing it! They have PROVEN this more effective in studies! Grow up yourself. Abortion is murder, and it is damaging. Education is not and it would reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies etc without your love for murder etc which is ONLY damaging.
Oh, sure when a kid asks where do babies come from....YES they should be told the truth no matter what age. BUT I do not feel that a mandatory class about sexual reproduction should be taught in pre-school as you suggested! BTW, dumbass, I have 4 adult children who were all over 25 before getting in the family way! Probably because we had open lines of communication and talked about every subject under the sun! Including the statistics of poverty and teen pregnancy, hormonal changes in puberty, blah, blah, blah. You aren't enlightening me. Save that for your local hicks who f*ck for the first time and think it's all heaven sent and forever means FOREVER AND ALWAYS. LMAO Sad little things when they get their wake up call!

And I never said sex was dirty. Goddamn, assume much?! Talk about ignorance. LMAO No need to type a word, when you can just insinuate our every thought! Hope you aren't like that with your children!SMH

Since: Oct 13

Sparta, MO

#148 Dec 10, 2013
UraFlake wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, sure when a kid asks where do babies come from....YES they should be told the truth no matter what age. BUT I do not feel that a mandatory class about sexual reproduction should be taught in pre-school as you suggested! BTW, dumbass, I have 4 adult children who were all over 25 before getting in the family way! Probably because we had open lines of communication and talked about every subject under the sun! Including the statistics of poverty and teen pregnancy, hormonal changes in puberty, blah, blah, blah. You aren't enlightening me. Save that for your local hicks who f*ck for the first time and think it's all heaven sent and forever means FOREVER AND ALWAYS. LMAO Sad little things when they get their wake up call!
And I never said sex was dirty. Goddamn, assume much?! Talk about ignorance. LMAO No need to type a word, when you can just insinuate our every thought! Hope you aren't like that with your children!SMH
Your attempt to insult my intellect on a personallevel fails. It has been proven far more effective at a young age, you are the one who said...let kids be kids. That really isn't putting words in your mouth. They also have records showing on average the amount of damage abortion does as a whole. How it is physically damaging to the body, and how it is mentally damaging in yes, OVER 90% of the people whom have had one! That's NOT a fix! A mandatory class on sex ed, should be enforced. It is EDUCATIONAL! It is also been shown to be far more EFFECTIVE at a younger age! It is ignorant to say, I support it, wait not, by they are so young...my emotions don't support this?! It is PROVEN SCIENCE, it should be mandatory! Your words show you are upset by what I put considering you had to resort to swearing and personal attacks! Congrats for your kids, and good for you on having an open communication. However, most people do not, and since it is a science it should be TAUGHT! You can't expect to fix a problem when the most effective way to approach it we refuse to accept and allow...that is ignorant! Things would improve it we started educating the nation again, instead of pushing issues under the table and creating more among us as a nation.
tim

Lockwood, MO

#149 Dec 10, 2013
Cops are military too wrote:
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We are not CHINA! We don't go around killing kids because there is more than one. Guess what comes after legal abortions?! Yes, population control full out. China forces abortion and restricts the amount of offspring! Oh and they also ban religion. The are ran by a dictator. But people, support prochoice...because I am sure people didn't live thousands of years because the invention on money?! I guess you are right, would should take kids out back when the bills get to be too much right?! You realize how money works right? You know that it was invented to only profit the people who came together and invented it and set up banks? You know that the government originally tried to shut them down? You know they got scared and bribed and eventually bought off etc? You also know EVERYONE is mad at the moment with us too, because our economy is collapsing? You know places warned us not to default on our loans etc? Money was set up as a get rich and powerful scheme. But yeah, lets just support abortion because that dollar is the thing that real is keeping people alive, and we are running low? People used to be able to fend for themselves, it's not the lack of money that has killed people. It is greed, war, lack of education, and power trips. But I guess we died off thousands of years ago since money didn't exists at one point?! Oh and when we first made a real working civilization, we used the trade system. It also worked better, created less greed and inequality, but it didn't give anyone control so it ended eventually. I under stand kids are dying, but it isn't because of the dollar. The dollar in reality does nothing. It is because of what we allowed the world to because and the powers at hand.
Do you have any idea how this makes you look?
Like the dumb hillbilly you are.

"We are not CHINA!" LOL they have more rights over there.

"We don't go around killing kids because there is more than one. Guess what comes after legal abortions?!" No we kill them in oil wars.

"population control" got my list started.

"Oh and they also ban religion."learn that shit in church? It presently formally permits five religions in China: Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Protestantism, and Catholicism. oh and they dont let these nut-jobs push the beliefs (like pro-life)off on the population.

"The are ran by a dictator". wrong again its a generational unitary state and before you knock it keep in mind they are a growing global power we are in decline.

"But people, support prochoice...because I am sure people didn't live thousands of years because the invention on money?!" No but civilization did not thrive now did it? But yes money is the root of all evil.

"I guess you are right, would should take kids out back when the bills get to be too much right?!" No! we already covered this you take them down to the army/navy recruiters office.

"You realize how money works right? You know that it was invented to only profit the people who came together and invented it and set up banks?" No that is not the reason but do tell? cant wait to see you version of history.

"You know that the government originally tried to shut them down?"
what are you talking about here? When the fed was formed? What?

"You also know EVERYONE is mad at the moment with us too, because our economy is collapsing?" I am sure that our oil wars and NSA spying had nothing to do with it. But you know the biggest reason is you and your ilks hypocrisy.
Amplify

Lockwood, MO

#150 Dec 10, 2013
10. Laws against abortion do not stop abortion; they simply make it less safe. The number of women who get abortions does not change when it goes from being legal to illegal, or vice versa. The only thing that changes is more women die. Every year, 78,000 women die from unsafe abortions.
9. If people want to stop abortion, they should turn to methods that do work. These include comprehensive sex education and safe, affordable contraceptives. Unfortunately, as illogical as it sounds, the people who are most against abortion are also often most against these preventative measures. If they truly wanted to reduce the number of abortions that occur, they would embrace these methods.
8. The politicians “pro-lifers” so ardently support are only after one thing: self-interest. The majority of them are not “pro-life” because they agree with you; they are because they know you will continue to vote for them—and they know that making women remain pregnant not only takes away their power, but it also keeps them busy, in line, controlled, as well as a baking factory for their failing economy. The more people they have to rule over, the more they have to work and buy. Period.
7. Religious ideology is no foundation for any law. Freedom of religion is guaranteed to any citizen in the United States; so why would the beliefs and values of one religion mandate actual laws for all citizens? It would be unfair, unjust and immoral. We do not have laws against eating fish, nor do we have laws that declare it is legal to sell one’s daughter, rape someone, or keep a person as a slave—all things that are promoted in religious text.
6. Reproductive restrictions do not end with abortion. Many people also argue that contraception itself is wrong—another mainly-religious philosophy—and will deny women the protection they need based on this belief. There are legislative acts that allow actual pharmacists to deny women their birth control because of their beliefs; does this not violate the Hippocratic Oath, especially if thousands of women are on birth control because their very lives depend on it (see #2)? Also, since it is my belief that men should not rape women, if I were a pharmacist, would I have a right to deny a man his Viagra just in case he uses it to rape? You never know.
Amplify

Lockwood, MO

#151 Dec 10, 2013
5. Most people who are against abortion will never even become pregnant. If a law would never, in any circumstance, apply to a man, a man creating that law is preposterous. It is akin to men creating laws that ban women from voting, owning property, or showing skin in public—only much more deadly.
4. Women who are raped or victims of incest should not be forced to carry out a pregnancy. Odds are that 1 in 3 women will be victims of sexual violence in her lifetime. Does this mean that 33% of all women should be forced to carry out a pregnancy from this violation? Considering how many people are killed during childbirth (see #2), should we allow this further risk to endured on top of what has already been done?
Many would argue that these women could endure the pregnancy, spending nearly a year of her life simply re-living the rape and its effects over and over again, to give up a baby at the end of it for adoption. However, we all are aware of the fact that there are millions of unwanted children awaiting adoption as we speak who remain unclaimed; in fact, UNICEF estimates that there are 210 million orphans in the world right now. If they have no one willing to be their parent or guardian, why would another baby have a better chance?
My theory is that people who spend so much time, energy, and money on anti-abortion campaigns should instead spend it on the precious children they say need saving so much—the ones who are alive and parentless. Imagine if all the funds spent on all those billboards and flyers and campaigns were instead either spent adopting or donating to places that are overrun with orphaned children… perhaps some actual credibility would be given to these people who claim to love children so much.
Also, there is the fact of the matter of the more than one million homeless youth in America alone. The number one factor for a child being homeless is physical or sexual abuse at home. Perhaps these “child-lovers” should step in and care for these already-born children as well.
3. Reproductive choice can be the only thing that stands between a woman and poverty. There is a reason that the 1 billion poorest people on the planet are female. In sub-Saharan Africa and west Asia, women typically have five to six children, which leaves them powerless to provide for not only their own families, but themselves.
2. Reproductive choice can be the only thing that stands between a woman and DEATH. Women who face deadly consequences of a pregnancy deserve to choose to live. Teen girls, whose bodies are not yet ready for childbirth, are five times more likely to die. Not only do 70,000 girls ages 15-19 die each year from pregnancy and childbirth, but the babies that do survive have a 60% higher chance of dying as well.
During my own pregnancy—which had been unexpected though joyful up to this point—I was horrified to learn that I had preeclampsia only 25 weeks in. While they were able to save both my daughter and me, she was born at 1 pound, three months premature, and was a medical miracle. Most babies at that weight do not survive; and if they do, they suffer severe complications—as do the mothers, including myself. I was then informed that my risk of it happening all over again was extremely high, and that if there were a next time I may not be so lucky. I am fortunate to have access to birth control, but many women—especially young ones—do not. Preeclampsia alone affects 10 to 15% of all women! There are hundreds of other complications that arise besides preeclampsia that can, and will, result in death as well.>
1. Doctors, not governments, should always be the people to make medical recommendations and opinions. Would you allow the government to tell you if you could have a kidney transplant or a blood transfusion? Of course not. The fact that we even consider, let alone allow, governments to regulate a medical procedure is both illogical and foolish.
tim

Lockwood, MO

#152 Dec 10, 2013
grave digger wrote:
<quoted text>the grave digger thinks you said you screwed alot of christian girls round here,,,then one got with child,,,your child,,,and then she wanted an abortion but the higher up christians,,,her church thru a fit and it was your child and you called it a welfare lifer,,,well if its your kid,,,arnt you man enough to raise it?,,,sounds like your kinda wimpy,,,and blame the christians,,,but truth be known,,,your not man enough to raise your own child,,,now thats a looser,,,and when you blame the church and dont raise your own kid,,,,thats a cowardly looser with a side of being a lefty lifer,,,,
you never could read, right or understand ANYTHING
you and your republican cohorts are simply oxygen thieves.
but the best thing about all you silly hillbillies is that you make my argument by you stupefied posts here
anyone who reads your posts simply thinks...Damn they really should have sent grave digger and his buddies to the old stem cell factory. what a waste.
UraFlake

Ava, MO

#153 Dec 11, 2013
Amplify wrote:
5. Most people who are against abortion will never even become pregnant. If a law would never, in any circumstance, apply to a man, a man creating that law is preposterous. It is akin to men creating laws that ban women from voting, owning property, or showing skin in public—only much more deadly.
4. Women who are raped or victims of incest should not be forced to carry out a pregnancy. Odds are that 1 in 3 women will be victims of sexual violence in her lifetime. Does this mean that 33% of all women should be forced to carry out a pregnancy from this violation? Considering how many people are killed during childbirth (see #2), should we allow this further risk to endured on top of
During my own pregnancy—which had been unexpected though joyful up to this point—I was horrified to learn that I had preeclampsia only 25 weeks in. While they were able to save both my daughter and me, she was born at 1 pound, three months premature, and was a medical miracle. Most babies at that weight do not survive; and if they do, they suffer severe complications—as do the mothers, including myself. I was then informed that my risk of it happening all over again was extremely high, and that if there were a next time I may not be so lucky. I am fortunate to have access to birth control, but many women—especially young ones—do not. Preeclampsia alone affects 10 to 15% of all women! There are hundreds of other complications that arise besides preeclampsia that can, and will, result in death as well.>
1. Doctors, not governments, should always be the people to make medical recommendations and opinions. Would you allow the government to tell you if you could have a kidney transplant or a blood transfusion? Of course not. The fact that we even consider, let alone allow, governments to regulate a medical procedure is both illogical and foolish.
I applaud this comment. Actually, make it a standing ovation!.....
"My theory is that people who spend so much time, energy, and money on anti-abortion campaigns should instead spend it on the precious children they say need saving so much—the ones who are alive and parentless. Imagine if all the funds spent on all those billboards and flyers and campaigns were instead either spent adopting or donating to places that are overrun with orphaned children… perhaps some actual credibility would be given to these people who claim to love children so much."

Since: Oct 13

Sparta, MO

#154 Dec 11, 2013
If your view on if something should be saved and valued as a life is based on saving a buck in the economy ....you have issues... greed is a mental addiction....it plagues our country ...and china does not have more rights btw....they are just more OPEN about the rights they don't have ...and btw abortion laws increased the occurance...it STILL isn't safe ... wake up
surreal

Ava, MO

#155 Dec 11, 2013
Cops are military too wrote:
If your view on if something should be saved and valued as a life is based on saving a buck in the economy ....you have issues... greed is a mental addiction....it plagues our country ...and china does not have more rights btw....they are just more OPEN about the rights they don't have ...and btw abortion laws increased the occurance...it STILL isn't safe ... wake up
My grandfather was my father.When I was 11,he began to have sex with me.I had an uncle who also molested me.My mother had boyfriends who molested me.It was a family affair.They had done this for generations I think.People have asked why my mother did not protect me.It was all she had ever known herself.People ask why I didn't tell.It took me a while to figure out this was not normal.Then I felt guilty and ashamed.I did not want people to know.When I was 15 I ran away.I took drugs and had one abusive relationship after another.I was driving while intoxicated and killed a child in another car.I tried to kill myself several different times starting at the age of 12 up until about 5 years ago.Thirty years later I finally feel like a human being and I am so grateful I lost the baby that was either my granddad's or uncle's.The child would have been brought up in the same environment and same home.I was 14.
tim

Lockwood, MO

#156 Dec 11, 2013
Cops are military too wrote:
If your view on if something should be saved and valued as a life is based on saving a buck in the economy ....you have issues... greed is a mental addiction....it plagues our country ...and china does not have more rights btw....they are just more OPEN oabout the rights they don't have ...and btw abortion laws increased the occurance...it STILL isn't safe ... wake up
Lol I was being sarcastic about them having more rights (as we are losing ours dveryday). Sorry its lost on you. Btw
Eventually you'll figure out "How" money controls the world and will see the true brilliance your masters have employed in there evil. As it stands right now, your thought process is so messed up you're like a Jew fighting for the Nazi's.

Since: Oct 13

Sparta, MO

#157 Dec 11, 2013
I understand who rules the world and why....and it is ignorant. Money is virtually worthless...people are just followers. We would be better off as a race now ...without it...and when it crashes... it is going to be unspeakable... why...people are too dependent on a failing system....and can not fend for their selves at all anymore ...it' sad

Since: Oct 13

Sparta, MO

#158 Dec 11, 2013
surreal wrote:
<quoted text>My grandfather was my father.When I was 11,he began to have sex with me.I had an uncle who also molested me.My mother had boyfriends who molested me.It was a family affair.They had done this for generations I think.People have asked why my mother did not protect me.It was all she had ever known herself.People ask why I didn't tell.It took me a while to figure out this was not normal.Then I felt guilty and ashamed.I did not want people to know.When I was 15 I ran away.I took drugs and had one abusive relationship after another.I was driving while intoxicated and killed a child in another car.I tried to kill myself several different times starting at the age of 12 up until about 5 years ago.Thirty years later I finally feel like a human being and I am so grateful I lost the baby that was either my granddad's or uncle's.The child would have been brought up in the same environment and same home.I was 14.
I am sorry for your past...I am...and this is proof that violence etc just produces more...and more acceptance of it how...this should have been prevented to start...blame our system...but please do not support the fall of it...an outcome like yours that lead to pregnancy... is rare actually...most abortions are for vain reasons ...mainly greed based....someone does not want to give up their time...or their money....what I am saying in your situation still stands true...it should only be allowed for medical reasons...and I doubt a doctor would of deemed you safe for a full term pregnancy based on your age and the fact the child would of had issues by odds based on your age, your stress level from environment, and the chance of a healthy baby born of inbreeding... violence promotes violence....murder promotes murder... and as your life...the rapes in family just produced more rape...that is how simple the human mind is on average...I simply said stop abortion except for medical reasons....and I do not see a situation as yours a doctor would allow medically ...the chance of such being allowed would be low...and I also think our system for our kids are so screwed up...instead of focusing on killing babies that would of been health and fine etc...we should spend more on learning how to prevent situations like yours not schooling for people on how to kill babies....the state in my opinion owes you for not protecting your rights to start and should allow you some kind of mental help to cope with it...and as well as the men who done such for even putting you at risk for becoming pregnant period...should owe you some for of pay to help in this funding as well for at least 18yrs you would of supported a child ...lock those people up who do things like this...and make them pay to fix the system for 18yrs after too when they are out.... along with work for the system and you ...
grave digger

Taneyville, MO

#159 Dec 11, 2013
surreal wrote:
<quoted text>My grandfather was my father.When I was 11,he began to have sex with me.I had an uncle who also molested me.My mother had boyfriends who molested me.It was a family affair.They had done this for generations I think.People have asked why my mother did not protect me.It was all she had ever known herself.People ask why I didn't tell.It took me a while to figure out this was not normal.Then I felt guilty and ashamed.I did not want people to know.When I was 15 I ran away.I took drugs and had one abusive relationship after another.I was driving while intoxicated and killed a child in another car.I tried to kill myself several different times starting at the age of 12 up until about 5 years ago.Thirty years later I finally feel like a human being and I am so grateful I lost the baby that was either my granddad's or uncle's.The child would have been brought up in the same environment and same home.I was 14.
have to call bullshit on this story,,,but the part about trying to kill yourself several times,,,but failed,,,cuz that statement alone is what locals with local bloodlines do,,,yell suicide,,,am gunn kill myself,,,awww,,,poor baby,,,its a f-----g joke round here,,,half you locals have 6 diffrent daddy figures when growing up,,,step daddy after step daddy after step daddy,,,with every step daddy gunna kill the last step daddy,,,its a joke,,,with all you local kids calling many diffrent men daddy,,,cuz your mother was raised with the notion she cant make it without a man around,,,joke,,,then with all the devorce and bullshit the courts are flooded with hillbilly disfunction,,,have never seen or could understand here with most locals,,,your family tree is full of reletive on reletive branches,,,and so confused from the 200 diffrent christian churches round here with 200 diffrent paths to heaven with 200 diffrent made up rules from fly by night reletives deciding to be a preacher for a time,,,and the reaso this story is bullshit,,,cuz there are laws against any of this crap this poster said happened,,,if your grandaddy is your father,,,then go prove it with a blood test then have the sick bastard thrown in prison along with every dirtbag you claimed molested you as a child,,,cuz lady,,,if they molested you means their still molesting others today,,,this story sounds like a good lefty version to make whatever sound ok,,,in this case,,,abortion,,,abortion is murder and if you kept silent of known child molesters,,,your just as guilty as they are to all their next victoms,,,
UraFlake

Ava, MO

#160 Dec 13, 2013
Cops are military too wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sorry for your past...I am...and this is proof that violence etc just produces more...and more acceptance of it how...this should have been prevented to start...blame our system...but please do not support the fall of it...an outcome like yours that lead to pregnancy... is rare actually...most abortions are for vain reasons ...mainly greed based....someone does not want to give up their time...or their money....what I am saying in your situation still stands true...it should only be allowed for medical reasons...and I doubt a doctor would of deemed you safe for a full term pregnancy based on your age and the fact the child would of had issues by odds based on your age, your stress level from environment, and the chance of a healthy baby born of inbreeding... violence promotes violence....murder promotes murder... and as your life...the rapes in family just produced more rape...that is how simple the human mind is on average...I simply said stop abortion except for medical reasons....and I do not see a situation as yours a doctor would allow medically ...the chance of such being allowed would be low...and I also think our system for our kids are so screwed up...instead of focusing on killing babies that would of been health and fine etc...we should spend more on learning how to prevent situations like yours not schooling for people on how to kill babies....the state in my opinion owes you for not protecting your rights to start and should allow you some kind of mental help to cope with it...and as well as the men who done such for even putting you at risk for becoming pregnant period...should owe you some for of pay to help in this funding as well for at least 18yrs you would of supported a child ...lock those people up who do things like this...and make them pay to fix the system for 18yrs after too when they are out.... along with work for the system and you ...
Lots of 14 year old girls have babies. Why are you thinking she could not? Why do you keep insisting that pregnancy during rape is so rare? If there is an egg and the sperm reaches it and gets in...BABY! Are you saying all the women in Sudan and all over the world throughout history who were raped and ended up with child are liars? And what about stress levels? Children are born everyday in war torn areas and desolate places where starvation is the major cause of death. Babies make it into families where abuse is a way of life and drug usage prevails. Stress sometimes causes a spontaneous abortion, but not usually.So how do you now say Surreal's situation would earn her a "medically" necessary abortion? Use your science! LMAO

And I think it is absolutely ridiculous that you seem to think you know so much better than this Surreal does about her own personal life experiences. I can see that you have not educated yourself much in the areas of abuse and neglect and the affect it has on the victims. She was a child when this started happening. There are even cases of women being kidnapped who become dependent on their captor. After a while they freely roam the house and never think to leave. It is called Stockholm Syndrome. I am sure you think you know exactly what you would do had you been in a similar situation.......
UraFlake

Ava, MO

#161 Dec 13, 2013
grave digger wrote:
<quoted text>have to call bullshit on this story,,,but the part about trying to kill yourself several times,,,but failed,,,cuz that statement alone is what locals with local bloodlines do,,,yell suicide,,,am gunn kill myself,,,awww,,,poor baby,,,its a f-----g joke round here,,,half you locals have 6 diffrent daddy figures when growing up,,,step daddy after step daddy after step daddy,,,with every step daddy gunna kill the last step daddy,,,its a joke,,,with all you local kids calling many diffrent men daddy,,,cuz your mother was raised with the notion she cant make it without a man around,,,joke,,,then with all the devorce and bullshit the courts are flooded with hillbilly disfunction,,,have never seen or could understand here with most locals,,,your family tree is full of reletive on reletive branches,,,and so confused from the 200 diffrent christian churches round here with 200 diffrent paths to heaven with 200 diffrent made up rules from fly by night reletives deciding to be a preacher for a time,,,and the reaso this story is bullshit,,,cuz there are laws against any of this crap this poster said happened,,,if your grandaddy is your father,,,then go prove it with a blood test then have the sick bastard thrown in prison along with every dirtbag you claimed molested you as a child,,,cuz lady,,,if they molested you means their still molesting others today,,,this story sounds like a good lefty version to make whatever sound ok,,,in this case,,,abortion,,,abortion is murder and if you kept silent of known child molesters,,,your just as guilty as they are to all their next victoms,,,
Wow. And this is why victims of abuse rarely step up. How many true crime books or shows do we need to venture into to know this sh*t happens and that the kids usually say nothing? You know, I lived next door to a family back in the 70's. I think there were 5 kids and both parents worked,grew this fabulous big garden and seemed to be very strict and really wanted to instill a work ethic in their kids, who could be found working the garden every summer, cooking supper, do all the housework, etc. I 9 when one of the girls told me and 2 other girls on the block that her dad sometimes did things with the older sister. I told my mother about it and she did not believe it and I got in trouble for "spreading gossip". The oldest girl had become combative with the father as he starting to look at the younger sister and began messing with her. The older sister wanted to protect her. The older sister tried telling people, too. No one believed her. She was 17 and promiscuous and the big doubt was that she could leave but did not. THEN the yonger girl told one person who wouldn't be afraid to do something. Her name was Mrs. Bell, if I remember correctly, and she was a bus driver and worked at a restaurant. All sh*t hit the fan. The family was investigated. The mother was devastated, as I guess she was clueless. The kids told us they had all told DFS what took place and their mother. You know what happened? They all moved rapidly to Arkansas. We could never quite figure out if they ran or nothing came of it. When it all finally aired out into the public, come to find out the youngest sister had went around the entire block telling everyone what was going on and no one had believed her or just did not want to get involved.
UraFlake

Ava, MO

#162 Dec 13, 2013
surreal wrote:
<quoted text>My grandfather was my father.When I was 11,he began to have sex with me.I had an uncle who also molested me.My mother had boyfriends who molested me.It was a family affair.They had done this for generations I think.People have asked why my mother did not protect me.It was all she had ever known herself.People ask why I didn't tell.It took me a while to figure out this was not normal.Then I felt guilty and ashamed.I did not want people to know.When I was 15 I ran away.I took drugs and had one abusive relationship after another.I was driving while intoxicated and killed a child in another car.I tried to kill myself several different times starting at the age of 12 up until about 5 years ago.Thirty years later I finally feel like a human being and I am so grateful I lost the baby that was either my granddad's or uncle's.The child would have been brought up in the same environment and same home.I was 14.
I appreciate that you are brave enough to share your experience. I apologize for two commenters who apparently live in a bubble, isolated from the horror and misery some people live.
grave digger

Taneyville, MO

#163 Dec 13, 2013
UraFlake wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. And this is why victims of abuse rarely step up. How many true crime books or shows do we need to venture into to know this sh*t happens and that the kids usually say nothing? You know, I lived next door to a family back in the 70's. I think there were 5 kids and both parents worked,grew this fabulous big garden and seemed to be very strict and really wanted to instill a work ethic in their kids, who could be found working the garden every summer, cooking supper, do all the housework, etc. I 9 when one of the girls told me and 2 other girls on the block that her dad sometimes did things with the older sister. I told my mother about it and she did not believe it and I got in trouble for "spreading gossip". The oldest girl had become combative with the father as he starting to look at the younger sister and began messing with her. The older sister wanted to protect her. The older sister tried telling people, too. No one believed her. She was 17 and promiscuous and the big doubt was that she could leave but did not. THEN the yonger girl told one person who wouldn't be afraid to do something. Her name was Mrs. Bell, if I remember correctly, and she was a bus driver and worked at a restaurant. All sh*t hit the fan. The family was investigated. The mother was devastated, as I guess she was clueless. The kids told us they had all told DFS what took place and their mother. You know what happened? They all moved rapidly to Arkansas. We could never quite figure out if they ran or nothing came of it. When it all finally aired out into the public, come to find out the youngest sister had went around the entire block telling everyone what was going on and no one had believed her or just did not want to get involved.
did you read that persons story?,,,tell the police not topix,,,
justdontcare

Yates Center, KS

#164 Dec 13, 2013
so now all you guys are good with abortion when it involves rape and incest? We are making progress now. What if there was absolute irrefutable proof that if the baby goes to full term it will be born mentally and physically impaired to the point that there is no way that they would have any quality of life?

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