tim

Olathe, KS

#41 Nov 4, 2013
just do it wrote:
<quoted text>first Air Evac leaves town, and now Armstrong will follow, if the union is voted in by the oldtimers working there... Vote NO, because you do care enough to want to keep your job in West Plains...
Ahh the old "Divide And Conquer" trying to play the old hires against the new hires are we? And let's not forget the old "Oh No we'll all lose our jobs"

Well suck it "just do it" come on just do it. Here's a little joy for you to swallow from the Department of Labor website.

The National Labor Relations Act forbids employers from interfering with, restraining, or coercing employees in the exercise of rights relating to organizing, forming, joining or assisting a labor organization for collective bargaining purposes, or from working together to improve terms and conditions of employment, or refraining from any such activity.
tim

Olathe, KS

#42 Nov 4, 2013
Do not let the boss man BS you. The following from the department of labor website:

Examples of employer conduct that violates the law:

Threatening employees with loss of jobs or benefits if they join or vote for a union or engage in protected concerted activity.
Threatening to close the plant if employees select a union to represent them.
Questioning employees about their union sympathies or activities in circumstances that tend to interfere with, restrain or coerce employees in the exercise of their rights under the Act.
Promising benefits to employees to discourage their union support.
Transferring, laying off, terminating, assigning employees more difficult work tasks, or otherwise punishing employees because they engaged in union or protected concerted activity.
Transferring, laying off, terminating, assigning employees more difficult work tasks, or otherwise punishing employees because they filed unfair labor practice charges or participated in an investigation conducted by NLRB.
clueless

Ozark, MO

#43 Nov 4, 2013
just do it wrote:
<quoted text>first Air Evac leaves town, and now Armstrong will follow, if the union is voted in by the oldtimers working there... Vote NO, because you do care enough to want to keep your job in West Plains...
If the employees are so dumb that they think they have earned big raises in this economy, then let them vote the union in... The housing market is working through the remnants of the financial crisis, so of course Armstrong cannot give much or even nothing, to its workers in wage increases...but when housing market improves, and if the purse strings remain tight, then organize... but NOT NOW.
zzz

Lees Summit, MO

#44 Nov 4, 2013
clueless wrote:
<quoted text>If the employees are so dumb that they think they have earned big raises in this economy, then let them vote the union in... The housing market is working through the remnants of the financial crisis, so of course Armstrong cannot give much or even nothing, to its workers in wage increases...but when housing market improves, and if the purse strings remain tight, then organize... but NOT NOW.
You sound pretty damn dumb for sure so until you can contribute something worthwhile please stay very very silent.Thanks for your cooperation!!! Good Day!!
oh my

Ozark, MO

#45 Nov 5, 2013
zzz wrote:
<quoted text>You sound pretty damn dumb for sure so until you can contribute something worthwhile please stay very very silent.Thanks for your cooperation!!! Good Day!!
Perfect example of union leadership... this Jethro with his 6th grade education, wants to negotiate your raises and working conditions improvements...vote it in, watch the lockout.
tim

Olathe, KS

#46 Nov 5, 2013
clueless wrote:
<quoted text>If the employees are so dumb that they think they have earned big raises in this economy, then let them vote the union in... The housing market is working through the remnants of the financial crisis, so of course Armstrong cannot give much or even nothing, to its workers in wage increases...but when housing market improves, and if the purse strings remain tight, then organize... but NOT NOW.
And yet the CEO's are still racking record salaries and bonuses. The old "Company is going broke" scare tactic.
tim

Olathe, KS

#47 Nov 5, 2013
oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Perfect example of union leadership... this Jethro with his 6th grade education, wants to negotiate your raises and working conditions improvements...vote it in, watch the lorickandannette@centurylink.n etswisher59 Pin: 1615 pet name dukeckout.
I see this thread has caught the attention of lower management. I guess Armstrong thinks all there workers are dumb hicks.

Calling you "Jethro" Implying you are no smarted than "6th graders".

Any worker can see from this post what Armstrong's management thinks of its workers.

Will you prove them right and vote no effectively screwing yourselves?
results

Ozark, MO

#48 Nov 7, 2013
The old "Company is going broke" scare tactic....
Don't remember anyone saying the company is going broke... they have plenty of money to relocate plant equipment if union is voted in... And the CEO should be making jack, he is keeping the company going, in a down economy and in a housing industry, that is three times worse off than the overall economy.
yep
oh well

Ava, MO

#49 Nov 8, 2013
results wrote:
<quoted text>yep
looks like they have been really fair with beverly too. seeing a mill graders paycheck and making almost two dollars less than us and over 800 dollars less in bonus. i think all of you better read the beverly contract. did you not read the managers clause that the union agrees to have no affiliation with production insentives. thats your bonus if you don't know or with the conducting of business. armstrong is going to negotiate fair for armstrong not the people. you will turn out worse than you are now just like beverly. seeing how that people in west plains have made over 110,000 dollars more than them in the fourteen years they have been union. vote it in and put more money in the investors pockets. i am surprised that they are not pushing you to join.they will save over forty four million dollars in the next fourteen years. armstrong has the final say in all things in the contract. the only ones that will loose will be the people. vote yes to make less vote no to make more. stay the highest paying place in the ozarks. is that not the reason that all of you work there.
Power to the People

Phoenix, AZ

#50 Nov 8, 2013
oh well wrote:
<quoted text>looks like they have been really fair with beverly too. seeing a mill graders paycheck and making almost two dollars less than us and over 800 dollars less in bonus. i think all of you better read the beverly contract. did you not read the managers clause that the union agrees to have no affiliation with production insentives. thats your bonus if you don't know or with the conducting of business. armstrong is going to negotiate fair for armstrong not the people. you will turn out worse than you are now just like beverly. seeing how that people in west plains have made over 110,000 dollars more than them in the fourteen years they have been union. vote it in and put more money in the investors pockets. i am surprised that they are not pushing you to join.they will save over forty four million dollars in the next fourteen years. armstrong has the final say in all things in the contract. the only ones that will loose will be the people. vote yes to make less vote no to make more. stay the highest paying place in the ozarks. is that not the reason that all of you work there.
I find it interesting that an acquaintance of mine actually heard a manager (J.A.) falsely detailing these same points brought up in this post. Get real. Unions rule and you know it. Unions give the common man and woman "power" and limits the power of the "managers" to take advantage of them.
frank

Sparta, MO

#51 Nov 8, 2013
oh well wrote:
<quoted text>looks like they have been really fair with beverly too. seeing a mill graders paycheck and making almost two dollars less than us and over 800 dollars less in bonus. i think all of you better read the beverly contract. did you not read the managers clause that the union agrees to have no affiliation with production insentives. thats your bonus if you don't know or with the conducting of business. armstrong is going to negotiate fair for armstrong not the people. you will turn out worse than you are now just like beverly. seeing how that people in west plains have made over 110,000 dollars more than them in the fourteen years they have been union. vote it in and put more money in the investors pockets. i am surprised that they are not pushing you to join.they will save over forty four million dollars in the next fourteen years. armstrong has the final say in all things in the contract. the only ones that will loose will be the people. vote yes to make less vote no to make more. stay the highest paying place in the ozarks. is that not the reason that all of you work there.
what a f###### idiot ive seen the Beverly contract and it is down at the union office for all to see if they go there Beverly bonuses are way better than west plains they don't get good bonuses all the time only when they run there production at least they have the chance to make a good bonus when they run good we run good at west plains every day with a hell of a lot less people.
silly boy

Sparta, MO

#52 Nov 8, 2013
I wonder if john martin heard about Anthony summers getting fired for being drunk
Kevin

Ava, MO

#53 Nov 8, 2013
silly boy wrote:
I wonder if john martin heard about Anthony summers getting fired for being drunk
Why do you say that?
tim

Lenexa, KS

#54 Nov 8, 2013
results wrote:
<quoted text>yep
Should have read the thread little better. but more over instead of spreading lies about Armstrong moving the plant (which they will not because it would be against the Fair Labor Standards Act not to mention costly for them in the first place) maybe troll on over to the department of labors website and get accustomed to what your expectations under a labor contract will be as a manager in a union shop.
tim

Lenexa, KS

#55 Nov 8, 2013
oh well wrote:
<quoted text>looks like they have been really fair with beverly too. seeing a mill graders paycheck and making almost two dollars less than us and over 800 dollars less in bonus. i think all of you better read the beverly contract. did you not read the managers clause that the union agrees to have no affiliation with production insentives. thats your bonus if you don't know or with the conducting of business. armstrong is going to negotiate fair for armstrong not the people. you will turn out worse than you are now just like beverly. seeing how that people in west plains have made over 110,000 dollars more than them in the fourteen years they have been union. vote it in and put more money in the investors pockets. i am surprised that they are not pushing you to join.they will save over forty four million dollars in the next fourteen years. armstrong has the final say in all things in the contract. the only ones that will loose will be the people. vote yes to make less vote no to make more. stay the highest paying place in the ozarks. is that not the reason that all of you work there.
The old "You may not get a good contract" scare tactic. Nicely done too clearly you have had some coaching from HR. First off the Beverly contract will has nothing to do with the west plains facility and as you are aware negotiation proposals always start out higher than current wages and benefits. But that more likely than not while wages and bonuses are important what's really at stake is work place fairness. Every since Armstrong took over the good old boy system has been alive and well.
tim

Lenexa, KS

#56 Nov 8, 2013
frank wrote:
<quoted text> what a f###### idiot ive seen the Beverly contract and it is down at the union office for all to see if they go there Beverly bonuses are way better than west plains they don't get good bonuses all the time only when they run there production at least they have the chance to make a good bonus when they run good we run good at west plains every day with a hell of a lot less people.
The real shame of this is that if the west plains workers had the same opportunities granted to the Beverly workers they would without a doubt out produce all the other plants. West Plains Armstrong plant has some of the best hardest working people anywhere they just would like to be treated equally instead of whipped and stepped on.
Big Steve

Germany

#57 Nov 8, 2013
tim wrote:
<quoted text>
The real shame of this is that if the west plains workers had the same opportunities granted to the Beverly workers they would without a doubt out produce all the other plants. West Plains Armstrong plant has some of the best hardest working people anywhere they just would like to be treated equally instead of whipped and stepped on.
Who the hell are you??? You post on every topic as if you are some kind of expert on every subject under the sun.
Armstrong worker

Ava, MO

#58 Nov 14, 2013
Today is the day. We are voting. I sure hope this passes or in the end it will only get worse. Please take a stand and have a voice in the company. Vote yes please.
Papa

Branson, MO

#59 Nov 14, 2013
not a fan of union wrote:
people need to wake up look at the history of companies with unions. Not a good track record. There are some Armstrong employees that DO NOT want Union!!! Look at what happened to Detroit,and other big business. Can you say BANKRUPT
Yeah, man. It was so better back in the day before unions. People could work 15 hours a day, no vacation, no maternity leave, no breaks, and the only turnover their was is when the factory burned and all the employees locked in died!
tim

Saint Louis, MO

#60 Nov 14, 2013
Big Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Who the hell are you??? You post on every topic as if you are some kind of expert on every subject under the sun.
You don't have to be to smart to know that a union shop is always better than a non-union shop. I have worked in both and have experience.

Not an expert though just know where to find correct information (check it you will see if you look it up). And try not to ever post bus just the facts that can be backed up.

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