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Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#19224 Dec 11, 2012
guest wrote:
I cannot wait for us to plunge off the fiscal cliff. I have a modest amount saved and am self employed. The damage to the economy will belong to the socialist in charge. The people dependent on the goverment will suffer. Obama is trying to run this Nation based on the model California has put in place. Now mind you California is broke, busted, over and done. Gov. Moonbeam himself has said they are buying time and waiting on a miracle (governemnt bailout). Taxing the wealthy and big bussiness has never ever worked. They just lay off people. So buckle up folks, we are heading off the cliff. We will have a depression that will last a few yars then we can re-build from that. A slim majority voted in November(52 to 48% is far from a mandate) to embrace the cliff. You ask for it Amerca, you got it. Hold on!
"Taxing the wealthy and big bussiness has never ever worked. They just lay off people"

I bet Ronald Regan would disagree with that statement.

In August 1982, the unemployment rate hit 10.1 percent, while mortgage rates hovered near their all-time high at 15 percent. Reagan's tax cuts had had a year to stimulate the economy, but they had not done so.

So Republicans in Congress and some members of his own administration convinced Reagan to agree to a $98.3 billion tax increase, the largest peacetime increase in history.

n Aug. 17, 1982, while a House-Senate conference committee was working out final details with White House support, and it became clear that the tax bill would become law, the Dow Jones industrial average responded with its single biggest one-day leap ever—a 4.9 percent gain, the equivalent of a 600 point gain today.(The actual gain was 38.81 points, pushing the Dow Jones above the 800 mark to 831.24. And it marked the beginning of the bull market.

Reagan signed the tax increase on Sept. 3, 1982. A few months later the economy roared to life as well.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#19225 Dec 11, 2012
Dow Jones Industrial Average
Dow Jones Indices:.DJI - Dec 11 4:03pm ET
13248.44+78.56 (0.60%)


Would you look at that boys, rumor has it the Republicans are caving on a tax increase and look at what the DOW, did today.........

UP----------78.56%


Reality Check

Warren, AR

#19226 Dec 11, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>lol your a joke .. there is no precondition fee where did you hear this nonsense your family and friends? lol is that not discrimination by singleing out pre exising conditions? but then you may say well what about the rich having to pay the tax is that not discrimination?.. no there is no such thing as discrimination against greed...and no like i have said time and time again taxes below 250,000 dollars a year will stay the same for another year at least... so your ignorant way of thinking has not place in a sensible discussion.
The $63 pre existing condition fee is a fee that is dedicated to offset the cost of Obamacare beginning in 2014. It is to be paid for by companies that have to give their employees healthcare. The companies will then in turn pass the fee on to their employees. Unless all of the employees of all companies that have to give healthcare benefits make over $250k each, then they will have to pay more from their checks. You will call it a fee and not a tax but if something such as this is forced on you then it's a tax.
Definition of discrimination: Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice.
So those that are not rich can, in no way, feel this way towards those that are? That's not the way the definition reads. Guess it doesn't fit your liberal point of view because then the wealthy would have to get equal consideration when any law was being crafted or voted on. You have been pretty adamant about the fact that if you make less than $250k per year your taxes will remain exactly the same. Now it's at least for the next year. Should give everyone confidence not knowing that their tax rates will be stable for more than a year.
Redd

Little Rock, AR

#19227 Dec 11, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>

When something is the truth there is no other side to it.. it can be only one thing.. the truth ..lol what do you guys not get about that .. you may like the truth or dislike the truth but you cannnnnnottt change the truth..
Excuse me..Fox News can and does.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#19228 Dec 11, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
The $63 pre existing condition fee is a fee that is dedicated to offset the cost of Obamacare beginning in 2014. It is to be paid for by companies that have to give their employees healthcare. The companies will then in turn pass the fee on to their employees. Unless all of the employees of all companies that have to give healthcare benefits make over $250k each, then they will have to pay more from their checks. You will call it a fee and not a tax but if something such as this is forced on you then it's a tax.
Definition of discrimination: Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice.
So those that are not rich can, in no way, feel this way towards those that are? That's not the way the definition reads. Guess it doesn't fit your liberal point of view because then the wealthy would have to get equal consideration when any law was being crafted or voted on. You have been pretty adamant about the fact that if you make less than $250k per year your taxes will remain exactly the same. Now it's at least for the next year. Should give everyone confidence not knowing that their tax rates will be stable for more than a year.
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It is a temporary assessment levied for three years starting in 2014, designed to raise $25 billion. It starts at $63 ($5.25 per month) and then declines.

It will phase out completely in 2017 – unless Congress, with lawmakers searching everywhere for revenue to reduce federal deficits – decides to extend it.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#19229 Dec 11, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
The $63 pre existing condition fee is a fee that is dedicated to offset the cost of Obamacare beginning in 2014. It is to be paid for by companies that have to give their employees healthcare. The companies will then in turn pass the fee on to their employees. Unless all of the employees of all companies that have to give healthcare benefits make over $250k each, then they will have to pay more from their checks. You will call it a fee and not a tax but if something such as this is forced on you then it's a tax.
Definition of discrimination: Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice.
So those that are not rich can, in no way, feel this way towards those that are? That's not the way the definition reads. Guess it doesn't fit your liberal point of view because then the wealthy would have to get equal consideration when any law was being crafted or voted on. You have been pretty adamant about the fact that if you make less than $250k per year your taxes will remain exactly the same. Now it's at least for the next year. Should give everyone confidence not knowing that their tax rates will be stable for more than a year.
I would guess this doesn't fit your conserative point of view;

This program will reduce unreimbursed usage of hospital (ER) and other medical facilities by the uninsured and thereby lower medical expenses and premiums for all.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#19230 Dec 11, 2012
Or your conservative one either, take your pick.
Reality Check

Warren, AR

#19231 Dec 11, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>.
It is a temporary assessment levied for three years starting in 2014, designed to raise $25 billion. It starts at $63 ($5.25 per month) and then declines.
It will phase out completely in 2017 – unless Congress, with lawmakers searching everywhere for revenue to reduce federal deficits – decides to extend it.
When it starts and when it ends isn't the point. Obama said he would not rais taxes on ANYONE making less than $250K per year. You can call it a fee or whatever you want but it is the exact same thing as a tax. Can you tell me that you believe no one who makes under $250K is going to have to pay this? This is just the beginning of the new fees, or revenues, or taxes. The bill is too large and too expensive to have only the wealthy pay for it. Companies are supposed to absorb certain fees and costs but you and I know that isn't going to happen.
Reality Check

Warren, AR

#19232 Dec 11, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
I would guess this doesn't fit your conserative point of view;
This program will reduce unreimbursed usage of hospital (ER) and other medical facilities by the uninsured and thereby lower medical expenses and premiums for all.
It sounds good and all but why would those who used to go to the emergency room for everything including the common cold stop simply because we have Obamacare? From what I have seen in the attitudes of the tenants in my rental property, there will be more abuse and not less.
Reality Check

Warren, AR

#19233 Dec 11, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
Or your conservative one either, take your pick.
I have to admit Barney, after going round and round with "don't know nothin", I have a greater appreciation in debating you. Now don't get the big head.
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#19234 Dec 11, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
The $63 pre existing condition fee is a fee that is dedicated to offset the cost of Obamacare beginning in 2014. It is to be paid for by companies that have to give their employees healthcare. The companies will then in turn pass the fee on to their employees. Unless all of the employees of all companies that have to give healthcare benefits make over $250k each, then they will have to pay more from their checks. You will call it a fee and not a tax but if something such as this is forced on you then it's a tax.
Definition of discrimination: Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice.
So those that are not rich can, in no way, feel this way towards those that are? That's not the way the definition reads. Guess it doesn't fit your liberal point of view because then the wealthy would have to get equal consideration when any law was being crafted or voted on. You have been pretty adamant about the fact that if you make less than $250k per year your taxes will remain exactly the same. Now it's at least for the next year. Should give everyone confidence not knowing that their tax rates will be stable for more than a year.
um prove it in factual evidence what you are saying .. it's easy to say somethig.. it'sanother to back it up... nothing you say or have pposted on here has had any factual credability... i have posted links or quotes from my position..there is nothing in the bill that says pre existing conditions will have to pay extra to have health insurance ... NOWHERE.... Discrimination is the prejudicial or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, such as their race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, national origin, or religion... so yah i know wat discrimination is i do not need your definition... and if you work for a company and decide not to use their insurance because you can find it cheaper somewhere else then how are they gonna "tax" your check?..anyways ... what you have said is not going to happen so there is actually no argument to be made here... taking what fox and friends and your coworkers tell you is not a good way to recieve information on politics...yah at least or the next year i don't now how long their gonna come to an agreement on the taxes .. i hope it's the standard for at least the next 4 but i'm not the one involved in the negotiations... so i see you also .. even though this is not going to happen ... stated that the companies would pass the fees on.. well guess what blame the company you work for .. if thy can't take a hit after all the money they made before the crash and continued tomake after we bailed some of them out and are continuing to make due to the tax breaks.. they should feel ashamed of themselves for passing these so called taxs onto the employee instead of taking initiative to give alittle and reinvest... but it's not going to happen and as for me healthcare exchange starts in 13 not 14 so i gueesss i get an early start... lol get real and get facts or get out
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#19235 Dec 11, 2012
Redd wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me..Fox News can and does.
lol touche good sir
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#19236 Dec 11, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds good and all but why would those who used to go to the emergency room for everything including the common cold stop simply because we have Obamacare? From what I have seen in the attitudes of the tenants in my rental property, there will be more abuse and not less.
lol because they'll actualy have healthcare and can afford to go to the doctor instead of the emergency room where they have to take you.. and will clear up some of the mess ....
Questioner

Jonesboro, AR

#19237 Dec 12, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>lol because they'll actualy have healthcare and can afford to go to the doctor instead of the emergency room where they have to take you.. and will clear up some of the mess ....
If Obamacare has copays like most insurance does, they will still go to the emergency room, if it is a totally free ride and I am paying for it, they might go to a doctor. I know it has been pointed out before but I wanted to compliment you on the appropriateness of your moniker.
just1more

Grandview, MO

#19238 Dec 12, 2012
Regan's quote on taxing the wealthy
"We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy.[...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
"Taxing the wealthy and big bussiness has never ever worked. They just lay off people"
I bet Ronald Regan would disagree with that statement.
In August 1982, the unemployment rate hit 10.1 percent, while mortgage rates hovered near their all-time high at 15 percent. Reagan's tax cuts had had a year to stimulate the economy, but they had not done so.
So Republicans in Congress and some members of his own administration convinced Reagan to agree to a $98.3 billion tax increase, the largest peacetime increase in history.
n Aug. 17, 1982, while a House-Senate conference committee was working out final details with White House support, and it became clear that the tax bill would become law, the Dow Jones industrial average responded with its single biggest one-day leap ever—a 4.9 percent gain, the equivalent of a 600 point gain today.(The actual gain was 38.81 points, pushing the Dow Jones above the 800 mark to 831.24. And it marked the beginning of the bull market.
Reagan signed the tax increase on Sept. 3, 1982. A few months later the economy roared to life as well.
guest

Blytheville, AR

#19239 Dec 12, 2012
Redd wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me..Fox News can and does.
Only if you watch the highly edited versions posted on Media Matters and other oppressive liberal hate sites.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#19240 Dec 12, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds good and all but why would those who used to go to the emergency room for everything including the common cold stop simply because we have Obamacare? From what I have seen in the attitudes of the tenants in my rental property, there will be more abuse and not less..
One reason- Now they have insurance, they are not forced to sit in ER rooms for hours on end waiting for care.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WILL HAVE A CHOICE WHERE THEY CAN GET CARE'''''

It will not stop it, there will always be a segment of the population that will take,(what they determine to be) the path of least resistance.

If the tennants YOU CHOOSE to rent to fall into that catagory, then one could conclude that you are enableing them.

I presune that GOV. rent check, you get, helps ease those pangs, does it not?

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#19241 Dec 12, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to admit Barney, after going round and round with "don't know nothin", I have a greater appreciation in debating you. Now don't get the big head.
Sorry, considering the source , you need not worry about me finding any self adoration in that comment.
guest

Blytheville, AR

#19242 Dec 12, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, considering the source , you need not worry about me finding any self adoration in that comment.
No, you do it all in your own comments.
still the same

Mountain Home, AR

#19243 Dec 12, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, considering the source , you need not worry about me finding any self adoration in that comment.
Yep , you are still the same complete and total wacko you always were!

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