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Palm Beach County property appraiser helps launch Save Our Home...

There are 16 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Sep 20, 2006, titled Palm Beach County property appraiser helps launch Save Our Home.... In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Amid the public outcry over skyrocketing tax bills, three Florida property appraisers Wednesday called for a constitutional amendment that allows residents to take tax breaks with them when they move.

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John Christian

Belgium, WI

#1 Sep 21, 2006
The SOH should be abolished completely . If everyone pays there fair share the taxes would go down , and it would make it much easier for Service People ( Teachers , Firemen and Police and etc ) to buy a home .
Jay057

Buffalo, NY

#2 Sep 21, 2006
I have owned a second home in Jupiter since 1986. I have never had a problem with the real estate taxes until now. It is a 2 bedroom condo assessed at a market value of $270k. I was flabbergasted, exasperated, and plain out disgusted to find I am going to be paying taxes of over $5k a year while some of my friendly full-time long-time resident neighbors are only going to pay around $1,400 per year for the exact same unit because of the homestead and Save our Homes exemptions. And I am not even using the schools.

I can understand how a resident might selfishly have little sympathy for me, but in fact this is hurting the overall real estate market at a time when it needs all the help it can get. Existing resident owners often can't afford to move and lose the tax benefits, which is killing the trade up market, and a lot of outsiders aren't going to buy now that taxes have gone through the roof. This type of disparity is UnAmerican in my opinion. I would love to hear anyone else's thoughts on this.
John Christian

Belgium, WI

#3 Sep 21, 2006
Jay , I agree the SOH is really a screwed up mess . I had a condo in Kissimmee and sold it in 1998 , missed the boom there , but invested the profit up here on a few houses , sold them last year at the Peak of the Boom , and did real good , so that worked out real good anyway . My wife has a sister in Melbourne and we were thinking of moving there. But I don't think so anymore , as I don't see things getting better down there for a long time , just too many problems and too much BS to deal with , besides the chance of hurricanes . A good example of the SOH is this , the realtor who sold my condo to this woman , would like to move , but she can't afford to. Sure she made money on the condo she bought from me ,but that doesn't help her , because everything else went up there , and she can't afford to move basically because of the SOH . Also the condo fees now have skyrocketed , mainly because of Insurance , and there going to go up again she said very soon. The woman don't even know if she can afford all that even staying where she is , because of the Condo Fees and Insurance and general cost of living. The Realtor who sold it to her is a good friend of mine so thats how I hear all this. So it's the SOH and the INSURANCE , besides other things that will just Kill you down there now . And the market is poor so it's hard to sell , it's a tough situation .
long time resident

Lake Worth, FL

#4 Sep 21, 2006
It is not SOH that is the problem. The values are inflated. Ok let me give you an example. My sister's friend got a good job down here and is renting. He left tallahassee where he owned a home for 8 years. He rents his home thinking if it does not work out he will return. Well he lost his homestead and his taxes went up by $300....not 3000! And we never had a problem here until the values went sky high and the greedy nit wits in power did nothing about the millage rate. Then we had hurricanes which brought on insurance woes and still they ignore the problem and talk about bonds and penny tax. You talking of eliminating the SOH would only make them salivate...not fix the problem.
John Christian

Belgium, WI

#5 Sep 22, 2006
long time resident wrote:
It is not SOH that is the problem. The values are inflated. Ok let me give you an example. My sister's friend got a good job down here and is renting. He left tallahassee where he owned a home for 8 years. He rents his home thinking if it does not work out he will return. Well he lost his homestead and his taxes went up by $300....not 3000! And we never had a problem here until the values went sky high and the greedy nit wits in power did nothing about the millage rate. Then we had hurricanes which brought on insurance woes and still they ignore the problem and talk about bonds and penny tax. You talking of eliminating the SOH would only make them salivate...not fix the problem.
What do you suggest ? You know the state needs 3 Billion Dollars PLUS to build all the new schools ,that are required because of the new 15 child per classroom rule from Bush . Also You could probably spend that and LOTS more on all the new roads needed . Although I would like to see the Millage dropped, nobody likes to pay taxes , but where is all this money supposed to come from to pay for all this ? There are such tremendous Growth and school problems , that are going to cost a lot of money . From what I've always seen , it always comes down to the tax payers and out of there pockets one way or another. It's just kind of a Tuff deal to figure out , and I don't think the " Nit Wits " can figure it out neither :) except add more taxes
long time resident

Lake Worth, FL

#6 Sep 22, 2006
John Christian wrote:
<quoted text> What do you suggest ? You know the state needs 3 Billion Dollars PLUS to build all the new schools ,that are required because of the new 15 child per classroom rule from Bush . Also You could probably spend that and LOTS more on all the new roads needed . Although I would like to see the Millage dropped, nobody likes to pay taxes , but where is all this money supposed to come from to pay for all this ? There are such tremendous Growth and school problems , that are going to cost a lot of money . From what I've always seen , it always comes down to the tax payers and out of there pockets one way or another. It's just kind of a Tuff deal to figure out , and I don't think the " Nit Wits " can figure it out neither :) except add more taxes
Oh I don't pretend to be worth electing...I just like to bitch like everyone else! LOL! But I do think the newbies are paying too much in taxes and that is not fair. But I think the 25k exemption is not fair. Back in the 80's if a house in a particular neighborhood cost say 70k and you got a 25k exemption that was a nice chunk of money. Now in the same neighborhood it costs 600k so the exemption amount needs to be with current markets. How do you do that? That's my next bitch.....get educated and talented people who can hire key people in key posts. be careful who we elect and look at their abilities.
Hopefully those folks can know how to make the system more fair and not waste money like a drunken sailor. But the folks who stayed put in their homes for decades did not buy and sell and raise values artificially, they paid for their roads schools and services long before the newcomers ever came....and they keep paying taxes today. We have increased needs in part because of all these newbies so to do away with SOH and expect them to pay for all the extra needed services is not fair to the old timers...they did not create all this need. The SOH act protects them from being taxed out of their homes! I have litle sympathy for a person up north who can afford two homes. I think they were smart to buy a vacation or second home as an investment instead of coming down during the winter and staying in hotels or renting.
Jay057

Buffalo, NY

#7 Sep 22, 2006
A famous saying from Revolutionary War times was Taxation Without Representation is Tyranny. Now tell me how that does not apply to second home owners who own a good percentage of Florida real estate. Since most of us don't vote in Florida, we have no political representation and therefore are taxed in this tyrannical fashion. Sure, you can blame it on "inflated values", but that does not change the fact that the existing disparity is just plain unfair.

By way, How does one input the town their from? I never even heard of Lanham Md.
John Christian

Belgium, WI

#8 Sep 22, 2006
long time resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I don't pretend to be worth electing...I just like to bitch like everyone else! LOL! But I do think the newbies are paying too much in taxes and that is not fair. But I think the 25k exemption is not fair. Back in the 80's if a house in a particular neighborhood cost say 70k and you got a 25k exemption that was a nice chunk of money. Now in the same neighborhood it costs 600k so the exemption amount needs to be with current markets. How do you do that? That's my next bitch.....get educated and talented people who can hire key people in key posts. be careful who we elect and look at their abilities.
Hopefully those folks can know how to make the system more fair and not waste money like a drunken sailor. But the folks who stayed put in their homes for decades did not buy and sell and raise values artificially, they paid for their roads schools and services long before the newcomers ever came....and they keep paying taxes today. We have increased needs in part because of all these newbies so to do away with SOH and expect them to pay for all the extra needed services is not fair to the old timers...they did not create all this need. The SOH act protects them from being taxed out of their homes! I have litle sympathy for a person up north who can afford two homes. I think they were smart to buy a vacation or second home as an investment instead of coming down during the winter and staying in hotels or renting.
I agree with what you are saying , regarding long time residents paying for the roads and etc , and I think thats fair what you say . And I can also see your point of view on the SOH . But with taxes and Insurance so high , not many people can afford to move and buy a home anymore , for sure the average wage earner can't . So if at this point in time , if more people can't afford to move to Florida , you have all the costs on your back then , and you'll get stuck paying for all this one way or another. Unless you get some new half way decent nit wits in office there . We call them " half-wits " up here also . Sometimes we think of them as ," half-a-deckers " meaning someone who is playing a card game , and isn't playing with a full deck of cards , pretty hard to win then . a lot of nit wits and half wits aren't really playing with a Full Deck :)
Mike

Irvine, CA

#9 Sep 22, 2006
One way to do it would be to only allow folks who are well off enough to trade up the percent exemption on their previous home (i.e. 50% on $400k and you buy $600k - you pay on $200k +$200k). Or an elderly couple that trades down (lower or no increase in price). That way, the elderly or empty nesters are not locked in to a house on potentially fixed income. But there are plenty of young couples that bought larger houses and now are increasing school needs but are not paying their fare share of school building costs. And who pays for fire and police? Everyone should share equally in paying these cost no matter how long they have lived in an area. I could see a couple with kids coming of school age moving into a new community building new schools but with an exemption so they don't pay what the out-of-state neighbor with same size family does. If this is about being locked into your house, then propose a way to only help the ones who can prove they are locked in. For the record, I lived in Indialantic for 4 years and know two families in Merritt Island, one with 2 young kids who has lived there for 6+ years and will soon be taxing the school system but paying the much lower taxes.
long time resident

Lake Worth, FL

#10 Sep 22, 2006
John Christian wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with what you are saying , regarding long time residents paying for the roads and etc , and I think thats fair what you say . And I can also see your point of view on the SOH . But with taxes and Insurance so high , not many people can afford to move and buy a home anymore , for sure the average wage earner can't . So if at this point in time , if more people can't afford to move to Florida , you have all the costs on your back then , and you'll get stuck paying for all this one way or another. Unless you get some new half way decent nit wits in office there . We call them " half-wits " up here also . Sometimes we think of them as ," half-a-deckers " meaning someone who is playing a card game , and isn't playing with a full deck of cards , pretty hard to win then . a lot of nit wits and half wits aren't really playing with a Full Deck :)
John it has been the same for years. We have unprofessional people who get elected because of who they know. I know it goes on everywhere but it is unbelievable down here. In Broward judges don't even have opposition! I was told years ago it is an unwritten law to never oppose a sitting judge. There are lots of unwritten things that go on around here. But the place has gotten so big and congested and the same groups keep running the place. You are right in saying the newcomers will leave and that is a sin! Plus we have people raised here who come home from college and can't buy a house. But these newcomers who don't understand the culture of the politics here seem to think giving more money to these people to blow is the answer! They need to reduce the millage rate/increase the homestead exemption or both! They are hurting these folks and the county jus salivated when investors came and the prices of real estate took off to unprecedented and unsustainable levels. They let the developers do anything they want practically too. Talk of affordable housing but do nothing...how can they. ANd Parrish with her land scandal...it goes on and on and we keep electing them. So I just bitch LOL!
David from tampa

Tampa, FL

#11 Dec 12, 2006
if not for SOH I be on the street hower I supsect so would a lot of other people including older teachers and firemen
however i do think it there needs to be something done about it which is to control goverment spending by puting them on the same 3% cap and adjusting the millage as there do in most states to when values go up
Richard

AOL

#12 Dec 28, 2006
All of your comments are nice to read and I understand your feelings about the taxes....BUT....the present system is ALL WRONG.....Make the property taxes 1% of the sales price and move forward from there. This would apply to ALL property sold....ALL property. Look at it this way. Now people are leaving the state....investment is way down....all the transfer taxes are not being paid because fewer people are buying anything here in Florida... If everyone knew that their taxes would be 1% of the sales price (yearly CPI increase from there) Then slaes and investment would get going in a very big way again. As it stands now none knows what the hell their taxes will be when they buy. It is ridiculous. The old compartative market value system is not fair and is not working. Why is someone who stays in their home penalized because someone down the street bought at a high price? This is Non Sense......the old system has to be replaced altogether.....No band aids like taking the taxes with you...or whatever ...none of that will save our state. Keep the Homestead for those who want it and qualify....buy MAKE THE TAXES 1% of the SALES PRICE and you will see a robust economy come back to out beautiful state.........Richard
Richard

AOL

#13 Dec 28, 2006
I am sorry about the spelling mistakes of my first message. I want 1% of the Sales Price to be the slogan for voters to vote on statewide.....Save Our Homes, 1% Property taxes.......The state will still make plenty of money because there will be sales and transfer taxes paid in record numbers form all the new business. Spread the word..we need people to know the benefits of this idea..... for example....if you buy a $100,000 home you pay $1,000 in taxes etc. etc. If you buy a $4 million dollar building you pay 1% of the sales price as well.....and so on.. Homestead stays and is an added bonus....but the investor is rescued here.....1% of the Sales Price...Otherwise we all lose....people will leave...they can't afford to live here....
here we go

Lake Worth, FL

#14 Dec 28, 2006
David from tampa wrote:
if not for SOH I be on the street hower I supsect so would a lot of other people including older teachers and firemen
however i do think it there needs to be something done about it which is to control goverment spending by puting them on the same 3% cap and adjusting the millage as there do in most states to when values go up
I agree. I like caps with the spending that goes on. The problem is they can't control their spending. Portability will help as well as maybe an increase in the tax exemption. We had a boom and it is over but the prices will come down and people will still keep buying and selling.
here we go

Lake Worth, FL

#15 Dec 28, 2006
Richard wrote:
All of your comments are nice to read and I understand your feelings about the taxes....BUT....the present system is ALL WRONG.....Make the property taxes 1% of the sales price and move forward from there. This would apply to ALL property sold....ALL property. Look at it this way. Now people are leaving the state....investment is way down....all the transfer taxes are not being paid because fewer people are buying anything here in Florida... If everyone knew that their taxes would be 1% of the sales price (yearly CPI increase from there) Then slaes and investment would get going in a very big way again. As it stands now none knows what the hell their taxes will be when they buy. It is ridiculous. The old compartative market value system is not fair and is not working. Why is someone who stays in their home penalized because someone down the street bought at a high price? This is Non Sense......the old system has to be replaced altogether.....No band aids like taking the taxes with you...or whatever ...none of that will save our state. Keep the Homestead for those who want it and qualify....buy MAKE THE TAXES 1% of the SALES PRICE and you will see a robust economy come back to out beautiful state.........Richard
The problem with your theory is there is no cap. They need some law to control their spending. This is the land of Lunacy...Lauderdale went broke during a boom period. They had the nerve to ask us for a bond and penny sales tax. No plan for the spending the cap either...just get the loot and spend it later. The slogan should be "control the spending". They had plenty of money and record surpluses. Whatever they have they spend. Plus the market will stabilize and prices will come down. We just had a record boom period. Should get back to normal after prices stabilize.
Susan

West Palm Beach, FL

#16 Oct 22, 2008
Please, I need someone help I called the property appraiser office today and they said that we have no property exemption for 2008 so the taxes are up but I applied in 2006 and this was there (Home Stead exemption) in 2007 what can I do? I fax over a letter of explanation, and they said that they are unable to help us. PLEASE ANYONE WHAT CAN I DO?

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